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Imus and Hip-Hop
I'm no expert about rap or hip-hop--far from it. Loved Public Enemy as a young man, still have Missy Elliott's "The Rain" on the iPod. But aside from the purchase of Kanye West's "The College Dropout" a couple of years ago--on a friend's recommendation that it was great (not for me)--my musical tastes run much more toward the propulsive piano stylings of Robert Glasper, the timeless sophistication of Johnny Hodges, the limpid insights of Maria Joao Pires. And, of course, Cheap Trick.
So I'm a fogey. But I live in our common American culture, and thus breathe the atmosphere of young America's delights, distractions and obsessions. You can't avoid them. We worship youth in this country; there is a kind of hidden message coded in all our media that one must know and at least pretend to enjoy that which the young create and enjoy. "Thou shalt be hip," is the first commandment of the culture. But I'm hopeless in that regard--and glad of it. I miss "The Waltons."
I have a 10-year-old daughter, though, and so I simply can't ignore what goes on in popular culture. And that brings me to the debate about Don Imus, his despicable slur against the Rutgers University women's basketball team, and hip-hop music.
A lot of bloggers and others have noted that what Imus said on the air is no different from what many rappers and hip-hoppers have said in their songs. It's true. Go to any popular lyrics site (like this one), type in the terms Imus used or other racist and misogynist slurs, and see for yourself. Look at rap and hip-hop music videos--but make sure your ten-year-old is out of the room. Much of what you will find in this music is a puerile fantasy of male power, frenzied irresponsibility, and the degradation of women. What's so depressing--as columnist Bob Herbert of The New York Times, educator and actor Bill Cosby, the Rev. Eugene Rivers of The Baker House in Boston, and so many others have pointed out for so long--is that this repugnant fantasy has become an ideal of manhood for far too many young Americans--black and white.
So why is Imus fired for what he said, while so many rappers are idolized for using precisely the same language? Is there a double-standard?
Of course there is. And there is no longer any excuse for it.
There are those who tell us that somehow when a young black man says "bitch" or "ho" or uses the "n-word," it's OK. It's all about the context. It's culturally specific. It's art. It's a black thing--I can't understand.
This attitude was captured in a fine story my ABC News colleague Deborah Roberts filed last night for "World News with Charles Gibson." Deborah interviewed Danyel Smith, who tracks hip-hop for Vibe magazine, and who believes, as Deborah put it, that "the gritty world being described in popular rap lyrics is artistic expression, not to be confused with mainstream name-calling."
"I think there's a difference in a black person saying something about another black person," Smith said. "I think the way those words started out, white people were using them against black people in a way that kept them down."
The rapper Snoop Dogg put it a little more pungently:
“It’s a completely different scenario,” he said. "[Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We’re talking about ho’s that’s in the ‘hood that ain’t doing sh–, that’s trying to get a n—a for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain’t no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them mutha—-as say we in the same league as him."
All this is pernicious nonsense. "Horsefeathers," as Grandpa Walton might put it.
Most Americans seem to believe--rightly, in my judgment--that you don't get a pass on civility in this country because you're a black man who raps; that you aren't entitled to call women "ho" or "bitch"--whether they're in "the hood" (an exegesis I simply do not buy from Mr. Dogg) or in my family; that just because you claim that a repugnant slur comes from your "mind and soul" does not give you a license to hurl it at people.
And many Americans ask: How is it that so many parents are supposed to tolerate the bombardment of our daughters with the most degrading imagery and language? Because it's promulgated by black artists? Huh? A white man says stuff like that, and he must be fired--but a black man can degrade women and himself, and it's "art"? Where's the real racism there? Which man is being treated as beneath our shared values and standards?
All of the claims for a "culturally specific" exception to civility seem to me to rest on a myth--the myth that somehow hip-hop culture is the pure self-expression of urban black America. But the facts are otherwise. Ask yourself: Who sells this stuff? Who buys it? If it did not sell, would it get made? An honest appraisal of the hip-hop music and fashion market would see it for what it is--the exploitation of a part of black American culture by mega-billion, white-owned and white-controlled corporations who sell the stuff to millions of suburban teen-age white boys. This isn't folk art. It's business--big business. A few black people get rich from it. The rest, one can argue, get degraded.
Perhaps the most salutary thing that could come out of the Imus story is a revolution--a revolution by girls and women, black and white, by their dads and brothers and husbands and friends--a revolution against the utter misogyny that permeates so much of our mass-market, money-driven popular culture. It wouldn't be hip. But it would be hope.
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How come no one has yet mentioned how many times Quentin Tarantino uses the word "Niger" and other racial slurs in his movie Pulp Fiction? Oh, or is it acceptable because most enjoyed the movie or all his movies for that matter? This issue with Imus is not the first, nor will it be the last. We must all be able to distinguish the differences between racism, sexism, and freedom of speech, only then will there be changes.
Posted by: B.N. | Apr 13, 2007 7:16:23 PM
I do not agree with what Mr. Imus said about those women it was very degrading and rude. I am a woman of color I do not listen to rap. I refuse to let my children listen to rap it is degrading to women of any race, I think it is just wrong. We need to take control of our families and teach them right from wrong and how to respect each other. My boys are not allowed to listen to hip hop, will they listen to it when I am not around maybe I can't say, but they better not bring into my home. (Stop stereotyping) I don't believe hip hop is an American Culture I am an American and I do not purchase any hip hop music. I think it is wrong to use the n-word b-word or H-word regardless of race or gender. Lets stop and teach our future generation, remembers learning starts at home, that's where we all need to start I don't care how much money someone has, that doesn't make disrespecting a person ok.
Posted by: TLA | Apr 13, 2007 8:30:01 PM
I do not agree with what Mr. Imus said about those women it was very degrading and rude. I am a woman of color I do not listen to rap. I refuse to let my children listen to rap it is degrading to women of any race, I think it is just wrong. We need to take control of our families and teach them right from wrong and how to respect each other. My boys are not allowed to listen to hip hop, will they listen to it when I am not around maybe I can't say, but they better not bring into my home. (Stop stereotyping) I don't believe hip hop is an American Culture I am an American and I do not purchase any hip hop music. I think it is wrong to use the n-word b-word or H-word regardless of race or gender. Lets stop and teach our future generation, remembers learning starts at home, that's where we all need to start I don't care how much money someone has, that doesn't make disrespecting a person ok.
Posted by: TLA | Apr 13, 2007 8:31:27 PM
Don Imus was used to making racial remarks about Blacks. And to say that he can say those words just because rappers say them is not excuse. Since when did he drop down to the level of a rapper? When he can make a rhythm to music and bop to the beat in time with the music and wear a grill on his teeth, then he can then be considered on the level of a rapper. Also, if he calls those black college girls "Hos", what does he call the little black girls with cancer who come to his ranch. Does he call them little black "Hos"?
Posted by: Sheena | Apr 13, 2007 8:45:19 PM
In my high school classes, the word, "ho,"
is common parlance. It is used primarily by
Blacks and Hispanics, not Caucasians.
Posted by: Mike | Apr 13, 2007 9:07:52 PM
Terry,
Quick: publish links to all of the stories you did before this one, where you call out the scumbags in the rap industry (the rich Jewish owners, the corporate media companies, the pimp labels, and the slimy rappers) for their misogyny, racism, pornography, and all around cultural sickness.
(cue crickets ... )
Posted by: Jerry | Apr 13, 2007 9:22:33 PM
Terry Moran-
You declared your self not be an expert in the fields of rap or hip-hop—I assume humility prevented you from stating that you are indeed a leading authority in the propagation of white-guilt.
Imus said something offensive. He is a radio entertainer. An apology is appropriate, but by no means should it be requisite. The market would “sort-out” any potential consequences via ratings and/or advertising revenue.
You sir, on the other hand spout ignorance of a particularly distasteful variety. You are news commentator, not an entertainer. You should be fired.
Posted by: BCD | Apr 13, 2007 9:39:26 PM
The market did work itself out. If you believe Imus was fired because of the statement he made you're an idealistic leftist. Imus was fired because of the advertisers who bailed on the show. He was no longer worth the contract CBS was paying so they took the opportunity to cut their losses. He'll resurface on satelitte radio within 1-2 years.
Posted by: Kevin | Apr 13, 2007 9:56:07 PM
...and while we're on the subject...does anyone else think it's hilarious/apporpriate that this guy looks so confused in the picture at the top of this page???
Posted by: Kevin | Apr 13, 2007 9:58:08 PM
I had no idea Walt Goggins, who plays Det. Shane Vendrell on "The Shield" on FX writes a blog for ABC news.
Posted by: Vic Mackey | Apr 13, 2007 10:17:05 PM
Vic
Don't worry, Terry will be back on the beat (where all Irishmen belong) before you know it.
Mics really aren't cut out for the newscasting life.
Posted by: Soon enough | Apr 13, 2007 11:12:30 PM
Revolution indeed. This is the loudest outcry I've heard from philosophically conservative people on the internet. It's interesting, but predictable, that he refrains from endorsing Imus' firing. He certainly implies it.
An interesting view into the mindset of a mainstream journalist. Certainly not suprising, everyone knows they are required to view the world through these lenses.
Calling for Moran's firing would be grossly hypocritical, for me anyhow. Probably a fine chap, if not a little misguided.
Posted by: Bill P | Apr 14, 2007 12:36:53 AM
Let's just save time and have two standards of morality based on race. The "do no wrong" and the "do no right."
Posted by: Sam | Apr 14, 2007 3:57:04 AM
Mr Moran, I wasn't quite sure what to think about the issue but by the end of your post I was convinced by your arguments.
Posted by: Iskandar Rabeendran | Apr 14, 2007 6:02:51 AM
I'm supposing there is one big blowback from the Imus lynching and this weathervane of a reporter is just following the trend.
Posted by: John Wilson | Apr 14, 2007 8:23:34 AM
Your beloved Grandpa Walton would see you for the bigot and race-baiter that you so clearly are.
Posted by: bob | Apr 14, 2007 9:57:50 AM
It's a shame the young students from Duke don't meet Mr. Moran's lofty standands, being too white, too male and too rich to deserve sympathy, let alone respect. If one were to suggest that the so-called rape victim had deserved to be assaulted because she is a poor black woman of doubious morals, that person would rightly be branded a callous bigot. Mr. Moran judges the three real rape victims based on their gender, their race, their social standing and their assumed morals and then he pats himself on the back for being a compassioned liberal. A bigot by any other name....
Having adopted the phrase "rich white boy" as his version of "nappy-headed ho," Mr. Moran might do well to consider that the one thing that money can't buy back is a destroyed reputation. Having joined the chorus of those who stubbornly believe that being innocent of a crime isn't enough justification for ceasing to slander the Duke students, Mr. Moran might do well to remember that their reputations were stolen from them by a liar, an opportunist and a lazy media more interested in getting a story than getting honesty. On the other hand, Mr. Moran has flushed his reputation down the drain by his own hand: I don't see how I can ever watch him do the news again without doubting his integrity or his sense of decency and fairness. Is that fair? Well, he is just another "rich white boy of privilige," so why should I treat him with respect? And should his ill-conceived diatribe permanently damage his career, I promise you I won't feel too much sympathy for him.
Posted by: Merwyn | Apr 14, 2007 10:59:12 AM
I would like someone to explain to myself and others who might be wondering the same thing. Why can the entertainers, lets say those that are on Comedy Central, can say far greater racist type remarks, an thats ok. Yet Mr Imus, whose show was part comedy, an the remark came as a result of it, he is fired an condemend. My opinion is that no racist remarks, no matter what venue, should be allowed. Maybe if the Democrats would stop trying to waste money an time on a fishing expedition trying to find something on Karl Rove, who they are obsessed with, an do something about difining what is free speech an who can say what.
Posted by: Ed | Apr 14, 2007 11:59:58 AM
I told you so "STUPID"! Only thing people are going to remember about you is your comentary about the DUKE BOYZ. You can write articles from now to the end of time and the only thing folks are going to remember is the DUKE comentary. Maybe an apology is in order or do you consider yourself so enlightened that you don't believe you were totally wrong. We will remeber, ALWAYS. How does that CUSHION feel now? I imagine it will get more and more uncomfortable as time goes on.
Posted by: john | Apr 14, 2007 12:55:25 PM
Free Speech now has a whole set of clauses that don't belong.
If white people can't say the N word OK blacks can't say cracker or whitey.
The rules need to be the same if Imus gets fired because he offended a basketball team than anytime someone is offended they should lose their jobs.
I do many anyone by anyone.
I think we need to get over ourselves.
I do believe for a second the girls basketball team is scared for life because someone said 3 words on the radio.
If so those girls need to grow a spine and thicker skin.
Posted by: Mark | Apr 14, 2007 1:51:04 PM
Terry,
I think what alot of people involved in the argument miss is that to a large majority of us Don Imus was merely repeating language which we interpret as representative of black urban culture. Just by chance I was watching Imus that morning. I did a double-take when I heard the comment and thought "you know, he said that just as it woould probably have been said down in the 'hood." If you want the perception changed - change the messages being sent out by the artists. If I mimic a comment made by somebody should I be publicly stoned and hung because people need a poster boy for numerous side causes?
Don't Imus me for repeating what I've heard on the TV this week....
Posted by: bluestarj2 | Apr 14, 2007 2:04:44 PM
Try and backpeddle all you want, Terry. From now on, you will be known as "The Rich White Boy" reporter, and I use the word 'reporter' very, very loosely. Hope you enjoyed whatever reputation you used to have, because you're garbage from now on. The "Dukies" are now your legacy.
Posted by: bob | Apr 14, 2007 3:38:01 PM
As long as ABC News allows someone such as Terry Moran to spew such 'Moranic' things using their pulpit I will not watch ABC in any manner....Dear ABC exec, please e-mail me when you fire him...I kinda like Gery's Anatomy and will miss watching it.
Posted by: Brent M | Apr 14, 2007 5:24:40 PM
There IS a double standard! Why can Rosie O Donnel say, ching chong on national television, plus all of the other "objectionable" stuff she says on The View, and keep her job? Why can a back woman FALSELY accuse three white boys of rape and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson quickly chastize them? Why do my children continually tell me about the videos they watch on MTV: this ho, that ho, that b****, and the grinding of the women in a very sexual manner. And Don Imus gets fired? There is an extreme injustice in American television and it is making me feel ashamed that I am from the USA!
Posted by: Ben Wilson | Apr 14, 2007 5:32:41 PM
There IS a double standard! Why can Rosie O Donnel say, ching chong on national television, plus all of the other "objectionable" stuff she says on The View, and keep her job? Why can a back woman FALSELY accuse three white boys of rape and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson quickly chastize them? Why do my children continually tell me about the videos they watch on MTV: this ho, that ho, that b****, and the grinding of the women in a very sexual manner. And Don Imus gets fired? There is an extreme injustice in American television and it is making me feel ashamed that I am from the USA!
Posted by: Beth Wilson | Apr 14, 2007 5:33:45 PM
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