Are you kidding me? Anyone in our office nows the real reason this guy got suspended.

Let's see him own up to it! He can't keep control of his equipment...ask him for the real truth and stop blaming others.

Common Practice is what is happening to Spencer, the Federal Air Marshal Service through the mouth of one who once has flown amongst the ranks has now flown the coupe like a chicken looking for a feed. Why because treatment is better in the Ivory Castle of headquarters and other selected assignments as people have fulfilled as the chosen ones. Or was the spokesperson internally advertised and filled on a competitive basis?

Retaliation is retaliation, and we can say it predates his appearance, but feces are feces and these feces stink like retaliation. Are they that busy that they can not deal with issues timely? Of course not they dig and dig until they find little things or they hold onto stuff until they have ammunition. Since some of management have trouble meeting the same standards of the flying FAM, they know who they are! So they sling feces to hit a FAM who they see as their enemies with that old us and them mentality of the Secret Service.

A suit and an ear piece never make a man. What makes a man is standing up for what is right. I will say this handful of people have had the courage to stand up for what’s right but most think what they speak. I use to hear it almost daily and witness it, but they all fear management and know what others have going through and the disparity in treatment between how management is treated and how FAMs and others are treated.

One of many examples I could give;

I remember a loaded pistol being retrieved out of the glove compartment of a vehicle which the ATSAIC left there. He went home and called back to ask if we could see if it was there. When another ATSAIC was informed it was like it was not even a problem, what was the saying they must be in control of their fire arms at all times and he was recently in regards to a management official.

As the EEOC and MSPB cases are now starting to work through the system one would expect that some accountability would be brought to management. If Dana Brown was truly for change he would get rid of some of those temporary managers out of the federal service and start to reorganize the service with experienced Air Marshals in leadership positions and loose the attitude of when the Big 33 are going it will be so much better. A term many agents (SAIC/ASAICS/ATSAICS) refer to in regards to the original Air Marshals.

OK LAS FAM..you must be Mgmt. The real truth america is that this agency attacks anyone who speaks the truth. You Mgmt types can try and spin this if you want, but I wouldn't throw stones because your glass house will break! Let's see.....LAS managers have lost equipment, changed Official Documents, lied to OIG etc. If you open this can of worms you will fail. I hope you all have good legal reps....Just ask your fellow managers in the Denver Office how it feels to be outed for what they are....then check out Chicago, Miami, New York, Pittsburgh etc. You may be able to keep your power hold on this agency due to special deals and protection promises from DC but your reputations will be forever tarnished. "THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE."

He got suspended because his boses are egocentrical maniacs who think they know better than anyone. How can you be so stupid as to let a hotel welcome the FAM as client of the month lit up sign? He is just trying to protect other air marshalls.

It's nice to see that Las Vegas field office management reads this blotter. Nice try. But even a ham sandwitch is smart enough to know this is nothing more than whistleblower retaliation.

Spencer is a fine FAM and a good person as well. Thank God for his courage. EVERYONE knows this is just blatant retaliation.

I wish Congress would do something.

To
fam Pickard: God speed. Thanks for standing up for what's right. As for the comment made by the current clown FAM spokeman Conan Bruce: who are you trying to kid, retaliation is retaliation no matter how you try to disguise it. This organization will not get better until all the SS scum is sent packing.

You must be kidding, I was in the office today and the office was empty. I forgot it was Federal Half Day Friday.

I love how they plan it just before a holiday weekend when the media is not paying attention. Senator Reid better stand up for that young man.

So...getting drunk with your wife and waving your gun around makes you a "Knight in Shining Armor?" Get real guys.

I don't know what he did this time, but I am sure it was something along the same lines.

And for all you haters, I was a flying fool for 3.5 yrs, had enough and moved on happily.

And...some of us know the real story on this guy, we just aren't on 20/20 spouting our mouths off. You guys don't realize these reporters will turn on you just as quick if they can make a story out of it.

See you back at the X.

Who is in charge of this place? Do these guys know what happened on 9/11?

They need to put this guy back to work and get their heads back in the game.

We all know how it works ... maybe the public should know too. Here it is: There are so many tiny rules, small conflicting directives, and stupid "orders" that each and every one of us has done something technically against the rules at one time or another. each of us has flown without a jacket when suits were required, or worn something other than dress shoes, shown up for a flight after the official check-in but well before the time needed to make the flight, gotten upset with an ignorant gate agent who offended us, or stayed at a hotel that isn't on the designated list. We're all in fear that if we do something that pisses off management, they'll come after us and retaliate against us by finding out one of these tiny offenses and over-repremanding us for it because, as the report clearly stated, there is no consistancy in the system for reprimands. Retaliation doesn't come in the form of, "You went to 20/20 so we're going to get you." It comes in the form of, "You went to 20/20? Good for you. Oh, by the way, you were 10 minutes late for a checck-in, you're voucher was 35 cents off, and your T&A was turned in a day late. Your FIRED!" Spin, anyone?

Former FAM above does not know Spencer. Spencer is a squared away and by the book FAM. He has done nothing to deserve any discipline.

Continue on Spencer and enjoy the paid time off. I hope they give up the idea of retaliating on you.

Who is going to fly the missions when we are all gone to other jobs?

SS Management - what is Conan or Baghdad Dave Adams going to tell the public when we have all quit?

NCIS, Border Patrol, ICE, DEA, FBI and the private sector are picking up FAMs in great numbers. Who will you abuse when we have all left?

Some guys are quitting without a new job lined up. Many are leaving law enforcement completely.

Wake up managers, because you surely are not leaders.

Spencer never claimed to be a "Knight in Shining Armor". Spencer has yet to talk about the retaliation he has suffered because he was more concerned about the other FAMs, the country, and aviation safety! Spencer has stood up against the FAMS for the ridiculus policies since 2002. Every mistake he made including minor ones he has suffered the wrath of the terrible management of the Federal Air Marshal Service.

The two incidents referred to in this blotter are misrepresented here by somebody (probably managment). The true stories are not known by any FAM other than Spencer because nobody was present when they happend.

Spencer said he was defending his wife whom to men tried to take from the MGM parking garage (the same garage that made national news recently when teenagers beat MGM employees). He drew his weapon in defense of his wife and himself and he was not drunk! Spencer served a 5 day suspension because the agency had it out for him due to him standing up to them about the same issues as he spoke about on 20/20. The way he explained the story he showed unbelievable restraint. I probably would have shot the two guys if the grabbed my wife and tried to take her. Clearly, they intended to do her serious bodily harm most likely rape and kill her.
According to the State of Nevada he did nothing wrong! The sole misdemeanor charge was dismissed and sealed. This was not a case of him being protected because he had a badge or he would not have been given a citation. The court agreed with Spencer!!! The agency did not but that is not surprising because he has stood up to these evil and corrupt managers in this agency!!!

As far as the equipment issue, he left his firearm in his vehicle after a major car accident. He drove off a Hwy. after falling asleep at the wheel. No accident report, no evidence of alcohol being involved. He left his keys and wallet in the truck too! There was no intent to violate the agency policy that you cannot leave your firearm in your vehicle. This incident has been investigated and the agency proposed a 10 day suspension. Does this seem fair?

Let's look at the violations of other FAMs in Las Vegas:

FAM has an AD (accidental discharge-fired his weapon accidentally) in his hotel room after drinking at the hotel bar.- Three days proposed served one.

FAM is drinking at a softball game with his weapon in his car. Get's into a car accident. Charged with DUI accident while in possession of his firearm. Pleads to lessor charge. Gets a letter of reprimand!

FAM leaves his loaded firearm in the airplane lavatory during a mission flight. A passenger finds the weapon. FAM transferred to Los Angeles sent to work as a Firearms Instructor at Phase II training. Then promoted to ATSAC in San Diego!

These are just examples in Las Vegas!

You can say what you want about Spencer and you might think he made mistakes but HE HAS BEEN RETALIATED AGAINST AND WILL BE AGAIN!

As far as this article it is not accurate according to Spencer he has not been Suspended and he is allowed in the office. (I saw him there today)

The agency put him on administrative leave(paid)while the TSA performs an undisclosed investigation. The agency has proposed a 10 day suspension for the car accident therefore that investigation is complete.

Clearly, the agency is searching for something to get Spencer on that they can say was before 20/20 but we all know the truth!

Spencer never claimed to be perfect but he was not wrong about the issues he spoke about on 20/20! IF HE WAS THEN THE MANAGEMENT WOULDN'T BE TRYING TO DISCREDIT HIM ON THIS BLOTTER!

Where is the Housed Judiciary Committee? Where is Sensenbrenner? They talked big but have done NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE POLICIES HAVE NOT CHANGED AND SPENCER WILL SOON PAY FOR SPEAKING OUT!

NOBODY WILL CARE UNTIL THEY CRASH PLANES AGAIN!!!!

"Las FAM":

You forgot to mention the fact that the NOW Supervisory FAM who left his gun in the lavatory of a plane in-flight tried covering up the incident. The FAA and TSA only found out about it because the Captain of the plane filed a complaint with them.

You also forgot to mention that the Training Instructor Air Marshal chaalso rged with drinking and driving had WRECKED his car and REFUSED to take a breathalizer test. It is a miracle that the State of Nevada gave him back his Driver License.

Protecting yourself and your wife from muggers or almost killing yourself in a car accident are really the TRUE crimes to FAMS Management - ESPECIALLY if you are a FLEOA Representative.

None of this would have happened if we didn't have these stupid rules prohibiting passengers from having weapons on planes for self-defense and anti-terrorism purposes. For more information, visit www.armedpassengers.org

Mr. Bane is very scary. His heart is in the right place, but the mind is not totally engaged.

Hang in there Spencer. At least 17 of your brothers had the courage to speak up. Hopefully more will follow soon.

OK, according to JJ Hinson, I'm "very scary", and my mind is "not totally engaged". All because I question the government telling us that the common citizenry doesn't have the basic human right to self-defense when traveling by plane, but rather that they have the moral obligation to relinquish that right to others who are deemed by fiat to be more appropriate to handle the responsibility than the rest of us. My message to JJ Hinson; go find a 9/11 victim's family and tell them that it was better in the name of political correctness that their loved one wasn't able to defend themselves adequately. Then come back to this thread and criticize me.

Bane,

I have met many family members and I have yet to meet one to agree with you. I can't imagine one saying, "If only my wife had a snub nose .38...she would have executed the hijackers one by one and landed the plane herself..."

Sit down and think beyond your wild cowboy scenarios. It sounds like you are someone denied for application to a police officer position.

I am one of many trying to prevent another 9/11. I never said passengers should not be vigilant and act in an attack if necessary. I would not want my children on a plane in which your relatively untrained (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt - you must have some level of training) people are sitting there armed. You do not know anything about fighting aboard an aircraft in flight if you propose putting weapons there in the hands of anyone, but sufficiently experienced and supremely trained personnel.

Do you not even understand the issue of anonymity many FAMs complain about? If anyone figures out you are carrying a gun, your ability to protect the plane just went through the floor even if you are a highly trained counterterrorist professional.

Go drive on our nations' highways and streets. Do you trust the ability of many of those people to drive? They have licenses and are legally driving, but they kill people through their own recklessness and stupidity every day. How do you propose we keep out all of those morons from your program?

If you want to help, call you Congressman about the issues you care about. Tell your neighbors to keep their chin up despite the screening hassles. Finally, be vigilant and fight as hard as you can to defend that plane if you find yourself in a horrible situation and there are no FAMs present. The whole bring your gun to fly idea is not well thought out.

Would you support bringing your gun to the White House to defend yourself if a tourist was to go insane and start hurting you? Same thing at work here. There are some places where deadly force needs to be left in the hands of the professionals.