The Man Who Killed 31 GIs

August 31, 2006 12:02 PM

Christopher Isham Reports:

Iraq_sniper_nrABC News has obtained exclusive photographs of two alleged Iraqi snipers and a vehicle modified as a "mobile shooting platform."

The two insurgents and their car were seized in Iraq last week by Iraqi forces and are now in U.S. military custody.

The vehicle had been retooled to conceal a compartment for a high powered sniper rifle under a back seat and two portals for the rifle scope and muzzle next to the left rear lights. The sniper car was reminiscent of the vehicle used by the two spree killers who killed ten people and terrorized Washington, D.C., in October 2002.

One of the alleged Iraqi snipers, Abdul Ali Abdul Rathman (pictured above), told interrogators that he had killed 31 American soldiers.

Click here to see the exclusive photos of the alleged Iraqi snipers and their car.

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You have to wonder how much of this idea came from how the D.C. snipers operated.

Posted by: Brendan | Aug 31, 2006 1:14:39 PM

This might be they guy that killed a friend of ours. I hope that he gets to die.

Posted by: Anon | Aug 31, 2006 1:26:58 PM

Time to the **** out!

Posted by: Uncle Sam | Aug 31, 2006 1:30:41 PM

I dont get the point of this article. What is it's purpose? Our enemy is capable, techincally and tactically? Well, that is pretty obvious and because of a unchanging US strategy and reliance on dead concepts such as 'presence patrols' and the moronic concept of patrolling in the first place we continue to present targets of opportunity to an enemy that isnt fixed.

They own the fight. We are just responding to it.

We should be implementing war proven strategies such as bombing your enemy into submission before you roll up and declare the mission accomplished. An enemy that isnt made to suffer wont admit defeat. Neither will the supporting populace. Bin Laden and those who advocate the annihilation of the US understand that. We meanwhile, are still playing pattycake.

But wow, our soldiers sure look good with all that expensive and unreliable gear. I myself cant count the number of double and triple feeds I have dealt with on an AR15A3 or the lack of knock down in a carbine.

That is a no brainer but polictical generals, military advisors and a public that is too involved in our military has killed our ability to win wars.

When the White House passed a veteran SF commander up for Chief of Staff just because he was known to be brash and outspoken for a candidate who would tow the line, I knew our military had no teeth left.

Winning wars has nothing to do with gaining territory. It has everything to do with closing with and destroying your enemy on a scale that he will never want to raise a rifle in anger again.

Until we get that, this war will drag on.

Posted by: Napolean | Aug 31, 2006 1:35:27 PM

I do not feel that it is the responsibility of the federal government to come to the aid of victims of disaster. I think each individual has to take the steps to protect themselves. That means when asked to evacuate, they should leave. Homes should be properly insured. And, recovery from the disaster means the person goes back and arranges for things to be repaired and waits in line for service like everyone else. I have lived on the Gulf of Mexico for many years. Never, have I seen such responsibility placed where it should not be placed. The mayor of New Orleans is most responsible for not caring for the citizens of his city.
If truth be know, most of those who stayed did not want to leave for reasons of their own (looting, drugs, etc.). This was clearly demonstrated by the number who fired on the rescuers. The federal government cannot be expected to come to the aid of every person in every disaster. That is not the purpose of the federal government. I would like for the mayor of New Orleans to stand up and say I am responsible. I would like to see the ineffective governor of Louisiana to stand up and say I am responsible. I am angry at Bush for standing up and taking responsibility for something that is not the initial responsibility of the federal government. We have set a precedence which I think we will greatly result in the future.

Posted by: Juanita | Aug 31, 2006 1:36:07 PM

That's not a act of war that is premiditated murder!! Pure and simple kill the bastard and make his family watch. So his kids think twice about growing up and killing people that were sent to their country to help.

Posted by: TBone | Aug 31, 2006 1:38:39 PM

This slim ball has already admitted he his guilty of this terrible crime. I would give him a 5 minute trial, use his admission to declare him guilty and hang him by the neck until dead before the sun goes down. Maybe this would send a nessage to all his crazy friends on how his type will be dealt with when caught and we will catch them all. I would not even incur the cost of feeding him before he is done in.

A Canadian supporter of the U.S.

Posted by: Bill | Aug 31, 2006 1:39:07 PM

I'm sure they have killed, but I doubt he's telling the truth about 31 kills.

Posted by: Andy | Aug 31, 2006 1:39:33 PM

If we were not there, they would be "here" shooting our citizens. We must prevail.

Posted by: john | Aug 31, 2006 1:41:03 PM

occupations draw snipers, and propaganda to go with them............

Posted by: antibarby | Aug 31, 2006 1:49:58 PM

these fanatics deserve to be spattered with pig's blood and dismembered and shot on national tv for everyone to see,this is the face of the enemy.No mercy

Posted by: Scot | Aug 31, 2006 1:51:42 PM

I think all those people who has not experienced being displaced should be careful of what they say. Everyone does not fit into all the categories of what you say. Becareful of judgement because you never know what will happen to you. You should ask some of the people that where displaced what can I do for myself and my family to prepare for disasters.A lot of people were caught off guard, but this is a wake up call for us all.

Posted by: Changed | Aug 31, 2006 1:53:12 PM

I am totally agree with Juanita's comments. There is not a great number of people would think the way Juanita thought. People always like to blame to someone and never look back what they can do for their own instead waiting someone bring the foods to their mouth. Money do not come from the tree.

Posted by: Minh | Aug 31, 2006 1:58:26 PM

So is it the terrorists learning from Muhammed and Malvo, OR did Muhammed and Malvo learn from a terrorist manual??

Posted by: Marc | Aug 31, 2006 2:03:23 PM

Napoleon... Your strategy of war will never hold for the longterm. History will show that it never has unless you want to continue with a military presence everywhere you exert your strategy. And if you ever lose, you'll be up for "War Crimes."

Posted by: royrez | Aug 31, 2006 2:05:15 PM

I have to agree with Napoleon. "Tough Love" tactics are WAY overdue. Time to get down, get dirty, and get our guys & gals back home! And Juanita...Girl, I think you've posted to the wrong story. We're talkin' 'bout Iraq, not New Orleans!

Posted by: Toni | Aug 31, 2006 2:07:53 PM

As bad as it seems. We don't seem to understand what whould have happened if the French, after helping us win the revolutionary war would have chosen to stay and be a policing force and supported a government to their liking. We would have viewed them as occupiers and we would have played the sniper game also.

It angers me that this story is a tragedy which didn't have to happen.

And now what do we do with them?? Though I can sympathize with them, they are our enemy.

It's too bad that they were handed over to us. Now anything we do with them will only validate in the resisters minds that this is a war.

If the local authorities would have handled them and treated them like common murders it would give the whole thing more creedance.

Posted by: fred | Aug 31, 2006 2:12:16 PM

You must be kidding. ABC and Brian Ross reveal their "exclusive" with all the hype and glitter splashed accross the page....the net total of this news item is 150 words and a few photos. The entire Brian Ross page is written at the eighth grade level...I have had it. My next quest is to find an adult level news source. Maybe you folks can go after some sex secrets of Warren Jeffs, multiple partners and threesomes will get some hits on the site...

Posted by: SO-CAL | Aug 31, 2006 2:16:05 PM

Alliance forces had to identify these COWARDS - in disguise (hidden weapon position) and then CAPTURE THEM as they moved around like a cockroach amongst the population - just like all the other NO COURAGE insurgents...

I SAY GOOD JOB to the IRAQI MILITARY FORCES - showing again and again their contributions to taking back their land from these sick zealots....

WE MUST DESTROY THE IMAMS - and their hardcore zealot schools that brainwash the innocent YOUNG children to hate any non-muslim.. These brainwashed children themselves become victims - ultimately having no chance for a free and peaceful life - like a pitbull trainted to kill..

PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH... the evil spiritual leaders that inseminate them all with his evil seed!!!

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!

Posted by: rick | Aug 31, 2006 2:18:22 PM

Right on Juanita! I could not have said it better myself!!

Posted by: Julie | Aug 31, 2006 2:18:29 PM

If he truly is a jihadist, let's allow him to meet Allah. The sooner, the better. After all, that's what he and all jihadists want. Post haste!

Posted by: Dave | Aug 31, 2006 2:27:59 PM

I read through the comments, and they are great. I think we as the American public are finally waking up to see these people for who they are. They are evil. There purpose is to destroy all of us, weather you are christina, jewish, hindu, buddist, etc. Anyone who is not muslim. And they pretend to like us, but will never like us until we are dead or convert. I think we should unleash Israel on them and fight a war like its suppose to be fought and tell all the human rights groups to go jump in a lake. I don't see any of them on the ground with our troops. I agree with Napolean's comment. This is what you have to do. We should kill and burn their bodies cause according to their religion you have to be buried whole to get your 70 whores in heven. So lets show them that they won't get them and psychologically pummel them into the ground. I don't think we should be using our tax money to keep them in jail for life and feed them and let them pray and enjoy life cause they are taking all of ours.

Posted by: thinkaboutit | Aug 31, 2006 2:35:23 PM

You can't have it both ways: President Bush says that the United States is at war. So that means that the Geneva Convention apply. Whether or not this man has killed 31 Americans does not mean that you may kill him. He is a POW, and the United States cannot kill POWs.

And if the United States is not at war (which, by the way, Congress has to declare, not the President), then the "wartime powers" that President Bush has so often used to justify his actions, are nothing more than illegal.

I believe that the invasion of Iraq is just as illegal as the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990. The intent does not matter. Soverign nations are not allowed to invade one another without first being attacked. And as horrific as 9/11 was, it was not an attack by Iraq.

Posted by: Craig | Aug 31, 2006 2:38:47 PM

Before we leave from there we should sterilize there women so they don't breed more "children of hate".

Posted by: thinkaboutit | Aug 31, 2006 2:40:55 PM

When you train as a sniper it is in your best interest to construct a well concealed 'Hide'. In other words, improvising something like a car isnt something peculiar to terrorists.

In other words, technically, for a sniper it fits the mission profile.

Posted by: Napolean | Aug 31, 2006 2:45:06 PM

It is clear that this slime ball would be here in the USA shooting innocent women and children in the back, head, etc.. If they want to die killing americans (or any other innocent muslim man/woman/child), it is time to take away their ticket to heaven and start using pig fat lubricated bullets, rockets, mortars and bombs in our weapons.

Once the fear of going directly to hell takes hold, the islamic terrorists will stop. I wonder what the effect lard has on a M-16 gun barrel?

God bless our troops,
tmblweed

Posted by: tmblweed | Aug 31, 2006 2:45:34 PM

You can't fight an "ALL OUT" war anywhere and have to worry about the civil rights of your enemy or civil rights groups that insist on having a humane war...war is inhumane and unfair by nature. Our enemies sure don't worry about our civil rights.

They fight with an "everything and anything is fair in war" attitude. So should we... for the sake of our own troops.

The most you can do for the civilian population is to warn them to get out, to not associate with the enemy or violently confront authorities in any way otherwise they suffer the consequences.

You most certainly cannot fight an insurgency if you need probable cause to detaine a suspect and cannot charge his supporting family and friends with conspiracy in the involement of the crime committed by the insurgent. They also need to pay the consequences otherwise they will keep supporting another family member or friend and know they will not have to face justice.

The main purpose of declaring a "state of war" should be to "facilitate" the curbing of civil rights and imposing a "marshall law" status to identify and sieze or eliminate those that would kill us or anyone without any second thought.

You can't have it both ways and expect a short term resolution.

Tony Santos

Posted by: Antonio Santos | Aug 31, 2006 2:45:35 PM

I agree with Napoleon and Andy. We should make it clear, militarily, we will not jeopardize the lives of our dearly loved and respected men and women, who we believe are honorable and well intentioned, in order to placate some nebulous and ill conceived global politic's (United Nations)notions of political correctness. Certainly diplomacy must and should go on to resolve this quagmire, but always from a position of undeniable capacity to use overwhelming and deadly force to protect the legitimate purposes and lives of our armed forces' personnel.

Posted by: Ronnie | Aug 31, 2006 2:58:19 PM

In reference to Napolean comment...AMEN brother. You hit the nail on the head!

In order to win a war decisivily you have to bring your enemy do its knees and that has not been done since WWII. I know our soldiers are following orders and God Bless Them, but going door to door is not the answer. Any country that we are at war with has to be brought down with no mercy.

Posted by: Ben | Aug 31, 2006 2:58:38 PM

Remember, we are at war. Therefore, the sniper feels it is his duty to take-out the enemy. Just as our snipers feel about taking out an eligible target. This is combat!!!!!! Pure and simple.

Posted by: Harry S. | Aug 31, 2006 3:23:36 PM

That guy in the photo can't be the sniper. He's too fat to fit in the trunk. Nice black eye though.

Posted by: greggo | Aug 31, 2006 3:42:33 PM

From the picture, there isnt a food shortage in Iraq. Get our troops out of there.

Posted by: alan | Aug 31, 2006 3:42:37 PM

Re: the suggestions that every crime against our soldiers warrants carpet-bombing:

Here is what is known about much of the population of Iraq--it is oriented towards family tribes and religious sects, and sees vengeance upon those who murder those within their family/religion not as a matter of courage but a matter of course. Here is what is unknown directly to us Americans--living in a hellish warzone created at least in part by outside forces, facing death in the form of an American bomb or bullet, insurgent attacks, and religious death squads.

Given what these murderers in Iraq are doing to our brave young men and women, I can fully appreciate the anger and desire for revenge on our parts. Given, however these knowns and unknowns, for the life of me I cannot understand how bombing an entire town or a public execution of someone's father/brother/son, especially in a country like Iraq, would do anything other than bring more Iraqis into the anti-American fold. Nor do I understand how it would scare the bad guys or future bad guys into submission, given that the few times our troops did go overboard served as recruitment tools for the insurgents and motivation to kill for grieving family members.

I am certainly not saying that we need to "cut and run; I am simply curious about the logic behind vengeance-fuled fire fighting vengeance-fueled fire.

Posted by: Chris | Aug 31, 2006 3:43:51 PM

Thats a lot of talk. Just because the guys says he shot 31 Americans doesn't mean he did - and it doesn't mean they all died. Maybe this guy is like the Pedophile, claiming things he really didn't do to aggrandize himself in the eyes of others. War is a dirty business, no doubt about it - but if these fights aren't fought now they will be later - and who is to say our losses wouldn't be greater later? If Roosevelt had come into WW2 on the side of the British when it first broke out (Sept 1939) and not wiated until just after Pearl Harbor (Dec 1941) how many millions of people might not have died? How many hundreds of thousands of Americans might not have died?

While its stupid to be a monday morning quarterback or just to follow the pro-war or anti-war sides blindly, sometimes action is better than inaction. History shows us that inaction is always worse than action and leads to more death.

Has 60% of our country forgot what John Kennedy said? " Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." If President Bush repeated those same words today democrats like John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi, Cindy Sheehan, and SLC Mayor Rocky Anderson would mock and deride him as an idiot, pushing an idiotic policy of agression.

There is an old saying "Those who forget history are bound to repeat it."

Posted by: Brent | Aug 31, 2006 3:47:00 PM

I must agree with the gentleman that says we should be fighting a war and not playing patty cake. We are losing our soldiers just like we did in Vietnam when we have the ability to make this a war that the enemy wouldn't ever forget or soon wish to enter another one. Politicians should stay with their area of expertise and let our Generals do what they have to do to win this war and bring our soldiers home. At what point did the US become the worlds keeper. We have plenty of opportunities here in the United States to help people achieve freedom. I am not opposed to helping our global community as long as we are taking care of our country first. Of course this is just my two cents.

Posted by: JR | Aug 31, 2006 3:50:08 PM

Before we get to offended by these snipers, let's remember that if another foreign country had come to the US and overthrown our "oppressive" government to give us "freedom", there would be a bunch of us out there shooting their soldiers.

Bottom line. Our soldiers are being asked to ask a mediators and enforcers for a sectarian civil war that began hundreds of years ago. It is a no win situation, as long as our military is hand-cuffed on executing the mission. The people of Iraq would love the gift of freedom that we are offering but the religious factions (guided by Saudi Arabia and Irans) in Iraq are to concerned with revenge and hatred to accept the opportunity.

My tactical approach would be to remove all western reporters from the country, Implement a prohibition on all motor vehicle activity, confiscate all weapons (only US and British military may have weapons), failure to surrender all weapons is an admission that you are a combatent covered by the Geneva convention (surrender and be treated fairly or die), No building religious or governmental may be leveled if hostile fire is received. Take the handcuffs off and let our boys win the fight or get them the hell out of harms way.

Posted by: Boo Man | Aug 31, 2006 3:59:54 PM

Daily as the violence is increased each day, as the right wing rhetoric continues, I wonder how can our government allow our children and innocent Iraqi'a suffer death and destruction ever increasing each day? The answer is clear: Greed, selfishness, and a desire to control the world as the money rolls in, For Halloburten and other buddies of our administration!
They have brazenly opened up the Gates of H--L to annother VietNam!
The lives of Americans and Iraqi's have been invaded by a group of organized hoodlums which have no campassion for those of a different color, race, or social level as them. They have STOLEN TWO MAJOR ELECTIONS and if the Democrats to not get control of the House and Senate soon we very well may end up in World War 3!
To connect the War in Iraq to the devastation at the World Trade Center is a slap in the face to our country and the World that mourned with us. I have always wondered why after the 1st plane slammed into Tower One, why the airspace was not evading the 2nd plane to slam into Tower 2. I was home with pnemonia at the time and watched this all unfold.I have been asking, WHY AFTER THE FIRST HIT WE MADE NO MOVE OR ACTION TO SHOOT DOWN OR AT LEAST TRY AND INTERCEPT THE 2ND, 3RD, & 4TH DISASTERS? I am begging to think that our President either decided to allow this to unfold w/o any action taken, or more sinister, had some part in this. What a cooincidence Senior Bush was with a Bin Laden member at the time.What an evil web they weave.The Bin Ladens were politely whisked away to safety at our expense. "I HEAR THE VOICES" and I say, let's really evaluate what future we want.I will vote and I hope that others do also to GET THIS ADMINISTRATION OUT!!

Posted by: Ilene | Aug 31, 2006 4:02:39 PM

Tie each of these two snipers to a pig, then shoot off their hands and feet, and finally hang them to die!

Posted by: edwards | Aug 31, 2006 4:04:58 PM

Is the point of war to kill anyone and everyone who either intends to do us harm or might want to at some point in the future? If it is, then in the case of Iraq would it mean the United States simply bombing the whole nation into oblivion? Given the ethnic and religious ties and revenge-driven blood lust that is inherent to that culture, literally destroying the country of Iraq seems like the only true fulfillment of the full-blast military theory

Posted by: Chris | Aug 31, 2006 4:09:05 PM

Me, I'd interrogate him so hard he passed out and stick an rfid chip in his ear (or a convienent location) to track him. Then put him in a condition to escape and track him to the real killers. The supposed spiritual leaders who dupe these poorly educated fools into fanatisism.

Posted by: Redvette | Aug 31, 2006 4:13:37 PM

I appreciate TBone's and Greg's comments. A big Amen to what they said. You cannot reason with these people. Ilene was good also. I like the pig part. Let get nasty and really put them back to the stone age. That is only what they understand. Realy! That's all they understand. Understand.

Posted by: Greg B | Aug 31, 2006 4:17:18 PM

Very interesting posts. My own belief is that if we are in this to win it, then we should "just do it." We need to remember that this is WAR, and stop worrying so much about being PC and collateral damage.

Posted by: proudtobeamerican | Aug 31, 2006 4:18:51 PM

Many SF know this Latin phrase
"Si Vis Pacem ParaBellum" "If you wish peace, prepare for war."

Posted by: Greg B | Aug 31, 2006 4:19:57 PM

Before I even read the responces, I thought why is this so important? Americans don't respect the enemy on his own fighting terms. We think everyone we fight is a moron. When I was in Iraq, I always told my troops to be mindful of the enemy and give him respect. Because some of them are gonna figure out how to fight us. And it looks like these two did. This is guerilla warfare.
And then I did see Napoleon's remarks. Right on the money.

A Navajo soldier

Posted by: Marc Hillis | Aug 31, 2006 4:25:31 PM

Time to move next door to Iran. Bomb Iraq, set up a sinking fund to do it again in ten years if necessary. Should have been the way we went in the first place. I don't understand our need to establish a democracy when the people operate on 6th Century ideology. It's impossible.

Posted by: ross | Aug 31, 2006 4:33:04 PM

I think they deserve a fair trial and to be proven guilty before we condem them. They are just trying to protect their families from the invaders. They are probably peace loving people who have been forced to defend themselves against the power hungry oil seeking american soilders. I think ABC is fair and unbiased and a peace loving like the Iraqi insurgents.

Posted by: Luv not War | Aug 31, 2006 4:46:55 PM

His shirt says it all, not to "sharp"!

Posted by: lisa | Aug 31, 2006 4:59:00 PM

It is to bad that some of these people are to ignorant to see that we actually do some good in Iraq, talk to some soldiers that have been there. The media normally broadcast whatever will get the most attention, death and destruction. Changing the hearts and minds of the Iraqis will not happen overnight. Typically democrats look at the short term solution to the worlds problems. Its true we are victims of are own past policies around the world and maybe we should shove our heads in a deep hole and hope everything in the Middle East just gos away! Should you do that before or after they detonate a nuclear device in this country. Unless we change the hearts and minds of the younger generation we will be fighting over there is some capacity. So, I vote for public stoning and give them IV's of pigs blood for a few days then waste a bullet on them. Former 91 Gulf War Vet.

Posted by: Todd | Aug 31, 2006 5:03:31 PM

Apparently, nobody here seems to have read Jill Carroll's book. I found it interesting to note that her captor wanted her to be a messenger, and his basic message was not religion, it was telling the U.S. to leave his country. If an armed force invaded my country, I would pick up a rifle and fight. Why is that any different from an Iraqi who feels an invading force has entered his country?

The problem stems from the current adminitration's insistence that terrorism and Iraq are one in the same. First it was WMD, then the official line became spreading democracy in the middle east. Now after invading Iraq and creating a power vacuum that terrorists gladly filled, we hear that Iraq and terrorism are one and the same.

In the last decade, Hezbollah has made no threats and committed no violent actions against any country other than Israel. They may be terrorists, but they are NOT global terrorists. They are fighting what they consider an occupying force. The same holds true for the majority of the insurgency in Iraq. The majority population is Shiite and they distrust Sunnis more so than the US. But these facts become clouded when our government tries to lump them into one simple category of terrorist. The IRA is considered a terrorist organization but I hear no calls to invade Ireland.

Iraq has become a distraction from the true task at hand, destroying Al Qaeda. We had a chance at getting Bin Laden before Iraq became a central focus. If he's in Afghanistan, why can't we find him. If he's in Pakistan, why are we invading Iraq and not going into Pakistan.

But a solution exists, and it will save hundreds if not thousands of soldiers lives. Now that Iraq has degraded into a civil war, we should leave. Will Iraqis really attempt to stage a war with America in a terrorist fashion? No, they'll be more intent on fight each other across Sunni/Shiite lines. And after leaving Iraq we can finally begin to focus no what is important, confronting Al Qaeda and truly going after Bin Laden. When the nation was told the reason for invading Iraq, terrorism was not the cause. So why has it become the reason to stay (other than George Bush said so)?

Posted by: Adrian Morales | Aug 31, 2006 5:16:27 PM

WE are either in or we are out. What happened to "shock and awe?"
A force of 250,000. US Troops would have had this over in three months. There is a hidden agenda and I have no idea what it is but it is infinately too stupid to go in with the force we did without a hidden agenda. That being said, we should now pull our troops out and just level the entire uncooperative Arab world with our nuclear weapons. No body wants to even mention that but what choice do we have? What we are down to is them or us and if we wait around too long, they will nuke us and make no mistake, they will nuke us when they can.
Tough talk?? I think it's reality
Phyllis Culbert

Posted by: Phyllis Culbert | Aug 31, 2006 5:32:34 PM

First off let’s get the facts straight. The U.S. military is occupying Iraq like the British occupied this country. If those two are criminals then what about George Washington, Ben Franklin, and the other founding fathers? If those two are criminals then what about the French resistance? They were fighting an occupying army in their country like those two. Let’s face it people there were no WMD’s found in Iraq. This whole invasion is a shame. The alleged 9/11 highjackers mostly came from Saudi Arabia not Iraq! And should we support our troops like Germans supported their troops on their eastward march?

Posted by: Robert | Sep 1, 2006 10:11:14 AM

I think some people are over-looking the fact that we say "terrorist" and they say "freedom-fighter". Every fanatic we kill becomes a martyr and inspiration to others like him and doesn't really solve anything. We just end up with more terrorists that don't respect us and have no fear of us. Another problem with this war is that *I think* a lot of people in our country get worked up because we're the United States. We are the Best. We are the Most Powerful Nation on Earth. For some it seems like its impossible to fathom that we are just like everyone else, that people in other countries aren't all that different, and that people who believe in something we do not, are wrong and evil. I'm not condoning acts of terrorism or really criticizing Bush (though I don't agree with anything the man has ever said), but people need to understand that these terrorists are doing what they think is right.

Posted by: Doesn't Matter | Sep 1, 2006 11:09:10 AM

That's what I'm talkin' bout PHYLLIS. AMEN!

Posted by: DukeNuke'EM | Sep 1, 2006 11:59:16 AM

I expect they will be ding this in the US soon. they could set one up in every large city, kill hundreds, shut down cites, b/4 ever being found

Posted by: cw | Sep 1, 2006 3:21:18 PM

First and foremost, I am sick and tired of the "United Nations, ACLU, and all those lefty's. Worrying about the civil rights of terriost and fighting a politiclly correct war; will only get more of our men and women killed and pro-long this war. To those who can not see the importance of the war in Iraq can't see that the fight is over there, it has been 5 years since 9/11 and sofar there has not been another attack here...that is because all the terroist are busy over there...Let our Military do it's job...let's take the gloves off and destory them...a war is won when one side is defeated....

Posted by: Carlos | Sep 1, 2006 3:23:17 PM

I do not believe that many people in our media really understand what is happening....they report....with their liberal bias (and not all the right stuff either)....but they don't understand.

We are in a war. We must win. We will win when this enemy is dead - man or child - whatever is necessary...and the blood is on their hands. Just read the "Jill Carroll" story and see how crazy these enemies are....they will not relent until they are dead.....SHAME ON THEM for making us kill them....but EVIL must be dealt with. There is no negotiating....these people are "killing for God - a Jihad!!" and so there is only one conclusion...they have given us no choice. DAILY our world is being poisioned by Muslim Fundamentalists who seek our conversion, or our destruction.

Posted by: Kevin | Sep 1, 2006 10:33:47 PM

Well, what do you know, another young muslim male.

Posted by: Mark | Sep 2, 2006 2:43:04 PM

Over and Over again I see people write about how 'This is a WAR' and 'We must defeat the Enemy';phrases so vague as to be meaningless! Not ONCE have I seen anyone define WHO the 'enemy' is! It's not an army or any consolidated force so there will be no defeat in the way you're thinking about it. No surrender, no decommissioning of forces. The only tactic anyone suggests is the 'gloves off' approach which again is so vague I'm not sure even the ones saying it ubderstand what it means. Kill everyone? Crush the Iraqi people til they cower like dogs in the dust? Then claim to have 'helped' them? 'Liberated them'?When you focus on this very American idea of winning you become isolated from reality. Who are we at war with? The nation of Iraq? The 'insurgents' who make up a tiny fraction of the fighters? The native Iraqis who don't like living under military occupation? If a country invaded America how many family members would they have to kill before you surrended? It's like you people can think of this situation only one way: like a football game with 2 defined sides and one beats the other. The world is more complicated than that! It's like you don't care what is really happening as long as you can say 'We Won!' Open up your heads and let some reality into it people!

Posted by: AmigaJoe | Sep 2, 2006 4:48:47 PM

"Support Our Troops" Why? Because our killers are white while their killers have brown skin?

The way we glorify soldiers is disgusting. Their job is to murder. Only because the government says it is okay for them to murder makes it acceptable?

Defending your country is one thing but invading another country is a whole different thing.

Posted by: Jimbo | Sep 2, 2006 8:04:03 PM

"Me, I'd interrogate him so hard he passed out and stick an rfid chip in his ear (or a convienent location) to track him. Then put him in a condition to escape and track him to the real killers. The supposed spiritual leaders who dupe these poorly educated fools into fanatisism"

You people have done that and been there. Have you forgotten Abou Grab, or Hadditha where three of your soldiers murdered an entire family, raped a 14years old girl, shot her in the head and set her on fire. Democracy and Civility at its best, American Style

Posted by: BASEM | Sep 4, 2006 5:59:44 AM

The media here and abroad is to blame for fanning the flames.If every news organization in the world or at least in the "West" agreed to not air AL Qaeda propaganda it might help not to influence thousands of mindless empty souls that will get turned on by them.

Posted by: brent arnold | Sep 4, 2006 9:56:55 AM

oh god bless me!

Posted by: jiangshiwei | Sep 4, 2006 12:06:13 PM

I saw no scope but the gun is a specalized , balanced, competition marksman rifle. 223 or 307 usually.
Good to quarter mile if not moving.
If they were using a scope, then most likley they were shooting left handed.
And as a taxi they can drive around looking for targets.
The big guy has sweat on his left side possiblly indicating a left hander shooter. THIS CAR IS SET UP FOR RIGHT HANDED SHOOTER

The red spot above his left eye is indicative of a brand new sniper, recoil from the scope often gives new snipers a bloody eye, but usually that only happens just once, they remember, the scope punch.

THIS GUY MAY NOT HAVE KILLED 31.
I WOULD BET HE HAS SHOT ONLY ONE TIME.

CLOSE UP OF WOUND WILL HAVE HALF MOON CUT FROM SCOPE, IN UPPER RT CONNER OF LEFT EYE, AND IT BLEEDS 90% OF THE NEW SNIPER EYE WOUNDS.

HE DID NOT KILL 31 ANYTHING

BILL

Posted by: BILL | Sep 4, 2006 6:24:13 PM

It is not make sense that this guy killed our Americans people not only one but there were 31 people, but we didn't see any punishment from the US goverment. He would be die and excuted him as a live show. We love our county our American people. Whoever killed our people, after they arrested, they should die.

Posted by: Calvin Nguyen | Sep 5, 2006 2:30:46 AM

American snipers are heroes but iraqi ones are cowards,what total BS.What do you expect when you invade someone's country all for W and his handlers.

Posted by: herman | Sep 5, 2006 3:00:55 AM

I have heard and read reports about the events surrounding the 9/11 devastation, but i had no sense of the magnitute of the human suffering involved until i saw a reportage about the event in Aljazeera last night Sptember04, 2006. It is a dispicable act of inhumanity that have no justification irrespective of the despotic US foreign policy in the Middle East. the American people in general are magnanimous and are just and fair in nature and do not warrent what happen on that day irrespective of the pain and suffering the US foreign policy in the Middle East has generated in Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq. The American People should not bear the blunt for the suffering death and destruction the US foreign policy has generated in the Middle East. The deceision makers the US are more often than non are influence by very effective and potent special interest groups with invested interest in the region

Posted by: BASEM | Sep 5, 2006 4:50:05 AM

I think it is wrong war with wrong opponents at a wrong place. How many dollars have we spent in this un-necessary war? and how many dollars can we get from it? Of course, it can not be measured not only by money, but also other things such as international relationship and so on, don't you think that we do not have more enemies than before? These sort of wars are detonators of terrorism attacks in our country. OK, you can escalate the security regime, then our people will always live in the threatening of terror, that's not we want.

Make friends...

Posted by: Wood | Sep 5, 2006 6:16:46 AM

If Iraq invaded us, wouldn't you do the same?

I love all the indignate comments on this site that overlook the fact we are occupying their country. As such, we have it coming.

Posted by: Coinspinner | Sep 5, 2006 2:50:40 PM

Well, BASEM, nobody's perfect. Our side commits the occasional rape or murder. The insurgents record beheadings and mutilate enemy remains. When a state of war exists, both sides do stupid things. Combat isn't exactly civilized.

The Iraq situation has escalated due to stupidity on both sides. The Bush administration assumed that all Iraqis would greet us with flowers and gratitude for liberating them from a tyrant. They decided they could do that with a small number of troops that weren't properly equipped. The Iraqi insurgents assume that if they kill enough US soldiers with IEDs, suicide bombers and such, that the US will pull out.

The easiest way to end the problem in Iraq is for both sides to swallow some pride and smarten up. The Bush administration should accept that not every culture is going to welcome American style democracy and forget about that as a goal. The main objective should be to encourage some semblance self-determination for Iraq.

As for the insurgents/terrorists/Abdul Q. Public that doesn't like the idea of American occupation, it's simple: knock the crap off. Lay off the kidnappings, suicide bombings and booby traps. If you don't like the interim government, sit tight. With a semblance of stability, both sides can withdraw without losing face. If the Iraq situation cools down, the administration will begin touting withdrawal plans in an effort to garner votes.

Once all the foreign troops have left, then the Sunnis and Shiites can get back to killing each other without outside interference.

With the current situation, nobody will win. But I guarantee that if it escalates, the Islamist fascists are going to lose a lot more. I haven't heard of any fatwas condemning al-Queda or other terrorist groups being universally accepted. They are still being given aid and shelter, maybe even by the same Muslims that occasionally say that Islam is a peaceful religion and they don't support terrorism.

In closing, I'm a loyal American. I'm tired of watching my tax dollars being funneled to a bunch of third-world ingrates. The billions we're spending on Iraq could have been used to overhaul our power grids and Interstate highway system. Instead we pussyfoot around, trying to play nice against a group that doesn't.

Pull our troops back to their bases. Seal the major border crossings. Give the other side 48 hours to come out and lay down their arms. Otherwise, let the carpet bombing begin. Cities and villages that disarm would be spared and would be first in line for aid and rebuilding funds. Others get leveled.

Look at some pictures of Germany and Japan in 1945. Notice the lack of intact infrastructure. That may be the only way to put an end to this one.

Posted by: Poor Richard | Sep 5, 2006 4:37:40 PM

Whoa! I guess it's time for the ACLU to rush in and defend these scumbags in a court of law. Never forget- it is the radical muslim's wish to be with allah. It is the US Army's role to arrange that meeting! God Bless America and God bless our troops. Stay safe, and hurry home.

Posted by: Kelly Van Rijn | Sep 5, 2006 7:34:33 PM

poor rich, agreed.

Posted by: bigbob | Sep 5, 2006 8:13:55 PM

Last time I read, American didn't go to Iraq to distribute candies, rather they went there to kill under total impunity. Why do they expect candies in return.

Posted by: SmartCanadian | Sep 5, 2006 10:41:20 PM

The Posting by Poor Richard of September06, 2006 deserve a closer look. It seem to have a few major flaws in reasoning. Poor Richard wrote “When a state of war exists, both sides do stupid things. Combat isn't exactly civilized”. Sir, raping and incinerating a 14 years old girl, after the extermination of her entire family, right before her eyes, could not possibly and humanly be termed a “Stupid thing” its CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. A crime of which the US had charged, indicted and hanged the Nazis for. I do agree that Combat is not exactly Civilized, nevertheless Civilized nations has established rules of engagements that would help spare civilians form rape, torture and definitely from incinerating little girls after gang raping them. Your logic here is patently wrong flawed and exhibits total disregard to the pain and suffer