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Women Face Tough Odds in Pakistan
August 28, 2006 1:40 PM
Conservative Muslim clerics made it clear this week that they do not want female aid workers helping those still in refugee camps after a massive earthquake last year left more than 73,000 dead. The clerics warned that if aid agencies continue to employ female workers, they will organize violent protests and cause damage to local property.
Syed Atta Ullah Shah, the prayer leader of the central mosque in Bagh in northern Pakistan, said local residents were outraged by the employment of the female aid workers and called the aid agencies' behavior "obscene," alleging they "hire beautiful girls and take them to Islamabad for their enjoyment."
"There will be demonstrations and damage may be caused to public property and a law and order situation would be created in the area," he threatened.
Meanwhile, in the northwest Bajaur District, an extremist Islamic group has distributed "night letters" banning women from working and girls from attending school. The letters also warn all aid groups to leave the area immediately or risk a violent backlash.
Night letters are a common tactic of the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan. The Taliban, prior the U.S. invasion in 2001, had created a radical Islamic state in Afghanistan, in which they had forbade women from attending school, working and receiving health care.
Recently, the Taliban has made a comeback in the mountainous regions of Afghanistan, where they repeatedly come into conflict with the Afghan army and U.S. and coalition soldiers.
August 28, 2006 | Permalink | User Comments (38)
Muslim clerics border more and more on the ridiculous.
Posted by: Jim | Aug 28, 2006 3:15:57 PM
I guess that they forget that they once had a woman as president (where even the democratic West hasn't been that equal). It's sad that they continue with generations of ignorance and practices that DO NOT follow Islam or the Quran!
Posted by: JB | Aug 28, 2006 3:43:32 PM
If they are so ungrateful as to throw the women aid workers out of their country, stop sending them aid altogether - see how they like that. If they are so highhanded, they don't deserve our money; let them starve, see how they like that.
Posted by: alioth | Aug 28, 2006 3:50:04 PM
If they don't want help, then fine. Pull them out. Every single one.
If you want help from other nations, don't whine about how they provide it. I believe that's called "looking a gift horse in the mouth".
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28, 2006 4:12:53 PM
what a bunch of ingrates.
Posted by: Mike jones | Aug 28, 2006 4:24:31 PM
The most challenging thing about these clerics' letters is that they do not reflect the wants and needs of the people whom the aid workers are helping. Leaving the people of Pakistan without aid would be a severe punishment simply for being born in the same country as a few crazed mad-men with the ability to make a lot of noise.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 28, 2006 5:06:23 PM
Hey JB, The democratic west has had female leaders;
1. Prime Minister Golda Meir
2. Prime Minister Margerent Thathcher
3. The current Chancellor of Germany
But getting back to the main point of female aid workers, its Pakistan call. This may be an indication of a home grown Pakistani Taliban movement. One more indicator that Pakistan is a seriously divided nation, maybe just like Iraq, Pakistan may be on the verge of their own civil war.
Posted by: Steven Marler | Aug 28, 2006 5:06:29 PM
Its not surprising that an ignorant priest said something ignorant. But that does not mean the government or the country actually banned it.
ABC should have more honest unbiased media reporting than making inaccurate statements like "Pakistan" Bans Female Aid Workers
Posted by: MA | Aug 28, 2006 5:09:38 PM
utter ignorance!!what a shame on these so called muslim clerks. they are keeping 52%of their socity locked up.
they don,t use their brains to reflect on real islamic teachings.
Posted by: mohammad ilyas | Aug 28, 2006 5:33:12 PM
99% of the people there do not agree with these extremist positions. But this 1% always gets the journalist ' ear and is hown in news every where which gives the impression that all are agreeing with them. This encourages these people too, so the next time they come up with even more outrageous things just to get prominence in media.
Posted by: ali | Aug 28, 2006 5:41:29 PM
99% of the people there do not agree with these extremist positions. But this 1% always gets the journalist ' ear and is shown in news every where which gives the impression that the rest of the people are agreeing with them. This encourages these people too, so the next time they come up with even more outrageous things just to get prominence in media.
Posted by: ali | Aug 28, 2006 5:43:12 PM
More threats and nonsense from the so called religion of peace.
Posted by: ML | Aug 28, 2006 5:53:10 PM
THOSE MORONS...DIDNT THEY HAVE MOTHERS?OR WERE THEY HATCHED? DONT SEND ANYTHING TO THEM, I GUESS THEY ARE STILL LIVING IN THE STONE AGE,LET THEM MOVE IN WITH BIN LADIN.
JOHANN DOHMANN,USA
Posted by: JOHANN DOHMANN | Aug 28, 2006 6:06:01 PM
This should, more than anything else,illustrate to the decent, honest Muslim people of the region that their "religious leaders" usually do not have their best interests at heart.
Posted by: Jami | Aug 28, 2006 6:06:20 PM
THT REALLY MAKES ME MAD!
Posted by: brianna | Aug 28, 2006 7:04:31 PM
We need to stop all aid get on every media network in the world and explain how the Religious Leaders did not want our help. Play their games and do not give in. Wait never mind the media would spin it and make us look bad.
Posted by: BB | Aug 28, 2006 9:12:29 PM
Religious leaders who constantly incite violence are not religious or leaders.
Posted by: Dinos | Aug 28, 2006 9:44:43 PM
Such views about women are by and large secular tribal views fully endorsed by the feudal lords for their own benefit. They have historically as they do today skew religion as a means of exerting control over their people much like Jones Town, and the Branch Davidians of Waco, TX. and Bhagwan Rajneesh (his version of Hinduism – a form of meditation which involved nudity, sex and dope-smoking – and he did cash in on the hippy dollar of the 70’s).
ABC is fanning the fire of Islamophobia by not fully explaining that such views are held by a certain groups – zealots who in the name of religion perpetrate all sorts of atrocities. The fact is these zealots by and large are the product of US endorsed and funded (to defeat USSR’s expansionist desires) Taliban or Jihadists movement! The fact is the vast majority of the Muslims do not hold such extremist views. The fact is that long before any women in the emancipated West held a high political office – Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka had female heads-of-state. In fact, Sirimavo Bandaranaike of Sri Lanka was first woman in the world to serve as a nation's prime minister. Such powerful leaders – all women in the part of the world much maligned by the western media for women’s rights - how can that be possible? Let’s keep it in perspective please.
Posted by: Riz Haider, USA | Aug 28, 2006 10:25:04 PM
While having respect for the individual to follow whatever religeon they wish, I do question the the personal discipline of such Muslim clerics/men. Having said that, we must remember that liberation of women in the West still has a long way to go before we are free from the 'eve' mentality of some fundamental Christians, and it's not that long ago that christian were burning 'witches.'
Posted by: Maureen Ann | Aug 28, 2006 10:36:20 PM
The dispute was over alcohol and shorts that the women were wearing.It has now been resolved and foreign aid women are being allowed to continue their work.This ABC News team is not upto task.
Posted by: Aamir Ali | Aug 28, 2006 10:51:35 PM
I agree with the others who feel that they should be grateful for ANY aid and if they want female aid workers banned - don't send any aid workers. Let them figure it out themselves. That may change their tune.
Posted by: Paula Spencer | Aug 28, 2006 11:51:51 PM
I'm not surprised by the religious overtones against women. Its been going on for centuries as first "Authorized in the Old Testiment. Religions have given us stonings, witch-burnings, crusades, inquisitions, jihads, suicide bombers, gay-bashers, abortion clinic gunmen, and mothers who drown their kids so that they can be happily united in heaven. Rather than demanding evidence, most people are easily swayed by totally illogical belief systems. And the masses continually get spoon fed, when will we ever wake up?
Posted by: Leo OBrien | Aug 29, 2006 12:54:45 AM
Ah, I bet they take them off to Islamabad "for their enjoyment". Kind of like your good buddy Yusef Ramzy used to do before we caught up with him.
Posted by: T$ | Aug 29, 2006 1:50:11 AM
Hey JB do not say The "democratic west" when you mean USA, even Canada has had a female Prime Minister!
Posted by: Buz | Aug 29, 2006 2:07:05 AM
When you're in another country, you're a guest, and you follow the rules of the house. There are plenty of places on earth where female aid workers are allowed, they'd be better served to go there anyway.
You don't forsake the needy because the government is close-minded. Be the bigger person, that's what separates us from some of them anyway.
Posted by: Jay | Aug 29, 2006 2:10:06 AM
"...they will organize violent protests and cause damage to local property."
Uh, and whom will that inconvenience?
Posted by: BB | Aug 29, 2006 4:18:34 AM
Maureen Ann... you can't be serious that women in the West still have a long ways to go to be liberated. Women in the West now have more rights than men. Western women are the most protected, right-full people on the planet. As far as the Muslim clerics are concerned...they are out of sync with history. The world -- seven-eights of it non-Muslim -- is leaving them behind. The world is not going to stop educating females, the world is not going to rewed government and religion, the world is not going to let Israel die. The very thing they think will save them -- hardline Islam -- is the very thing that dooms them. Their battle is already lost. The world is not going their way. What we are witnessing are the desparate violent tantrums of a lost cause.
Posted by: Dinos | Aug 29, 2006 7:01:08 AM
There were Cuban medical teams working with the earthquake victims - a large proportion were women. They were welcomed by the population, they lived in the deep mountains setting up mobile hospitals and providing medical services to people who had had little access to such care. This is an on-going project and there has been no problem with the gender of the Cuban doctors or nurses, who carry themselves with professionalism and respect for the customs of these isolated people. Either this story about the banning of female aid workers is a fabrication, or it is based on a single incident where a foreign female NGO acted in an irresponsible manner (and blown all out of proportion) or more sinister, it is part of 'black propaganda' to incite attacks on the Cuban medical workers who have done what the Pakistani government could not or would not do -- provide needed care to the hardest hit refugees. Remember, in the 1980's the US CIA/mujahadeen operations in Afghanistan specifically targeted female health workers and teachers working in the Afghan countryside for murder (for the bogus crime of having 'insulted Islam').
Posted by: robin | Aug 29, 2006 8:53:48 AM
Ignorant priests even in US say ignorant things like terminating the gays. This is blatantly dishonest media reporting by saying "Pakistan" has banned it. How can ABC editors allow such obvious distortions to occur?
Posted by: Mike | Aug 29, 2006 11:20:18 AM
This is just another example of what I've been saying for a couple of years. The problem with Islam is that it is a religion of devout people led by herotics who use their position to forward their personl agendas and increase their personal power.
Posted by: Kraut | Aug 29, 2006 12:51:31 PM
To Jim,
they are following Islam and the Koran. That's just the problem.
Posted by: Dave | Aug 29, 2006 3:04:40 PM
Pakistan is the root for all terroriest activities....
Posted by: mike | Aug 30, 2006 12:34:51 PM
And what about likes of the christian cleric who have been forcing women to marry old guys polygamously?
Posted by: Mike | Aug 31, 2006 7:55:02 PM
I don't know why we are knocking what they believe in. Our nation/culture bans same sex marriage out of religious bull crap beliefs. What gives us the right to condemn another nation for thier religious beliefs.
Posted by: Duane | Sep 1, 2006 1:48:19 PM
I am a Pakistani.My mother is a microbiologist,my grandmother is a high school science teacher .My grandmother went to college in the 1950's .Several of my female relatives are teachers,physicians and even school principal .They have their say in family matters ,actually more than other people can imagine .I am a male professinal in my thirties living 20000 miles away from my grandmother and I have to ask her permission before any major desicion in my life.They dress and behave different from western women but that does not make them backward.They say their prayers ,practice Isalm and it has not hindered them so far.now ,their are people in Pakistan who wants to control other people by keeping them uneducated but that has nothing to do with Islam
Posted by: h | Sep 1, 2006 11:04:25 PM
Agree that title is misleading - THE GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN?
>>"Such views about women are by and large secular tribal views fully endorsed by the feudal lords for their own benefit.">"Leaving the people of Pakistan without aid would be a severe punishment simply for being born in the same country as a few crazed mad-men with the ability to make a lot of noise."<<
The few crazed madmen who make the rules! Muslims SUBMIT to terror as long as the terror is in the name of Islam.
The real issue is that THESE WOMEN are DANGEROUS to the society. Having INDEPENDENT, FREE THINKING WOMEN around the local women sets a very bad presidence! The local women might start QUESTIONING and DEVELOPING their own THOUGHTS, and then they will have to be BEATEN back into SUBBMISSION! These POWERFUL INDEPENDENT women are also a source of POWERFUL FANTACY for the local men and therefore a source of concern for the easily diverted MORALITY of the males.
Posted by: cos | Sep 3, 2006 1:59:49 PM
(thought provoking comments I'm sure), can see see the light at the end of the tunnel? My son just passed away and I was sad although through this time I learned to look in different prospectives, and I grew stronger in ways.
I read the tibeten book of the dead a vision of what lies awating us at the opening of a newer dimension. the occurens of the mention of EGO suprised me as it should most the EGO = SELF the self you or me and/or everyone has a self an ego. The tibeten book of the dead that I read, for there are others, metioned that in passing away we are confronted by the LOSS of the EGO. and become again one in the "Om" of life. may we all?
Posted by: Robbie Kleij | Sep 6, 2006 6:13:37 AM
Please read between the lines carefully, what it says that employment of "LOCAL POOR GIRLS OF THE AREA'as aid workers, who are needy, and who do not know how to protect themselves against those WOLVES as opposed to western girls who know their rights and can keep those kind of men at bay....I wish those so called aid worker employer have best interest of the needy, and not taking poor, ignorant girls for their sexual wants.. K. Shaz
Posted by: K. Shaz | Sep 6, 2006 11:03:14 AM
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