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Exclusive: Marine Sergeant Comes Forward to Report Abuse at Guantanamo Bay
October 12, 2006 5:15 PM
The Pentagon says it is fully cooperating with a brand new investigation into allegations of prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay.
The allegations come from a Marine Corps sergeant, 23-year-old Heather Cerveny, who spent a week at the base in late September as a legal aide to a military lawyer representing detainees.
In a sworn affidavit filed with the Pentagon Inspector General, Sgt. Cerveny says she met several Navy prison guards at a club on the base where, over drinks, they described harsh physical abuse.
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"One sailor specifically said, 'I took the detainee by the head and smashed his head into the cell door,'" Sgt. Cerveny tells ABC News in an exclusive interview.
She says she was "shocked" to hear several guards from different parts of the camp speak openly of mistreating prisoners.
"Everyone in the group laughed at all their stories of beating detainees," she recalled. "None of them looked like they cared. None of them looked shocked by it."
One of the guards "was telling his buddy, 'Yeah, this one detainee, you know, really pissed me off, irritated me. So I just, you know, punched him in the face.'"
Sgt. Cerveny says the guards also talked about taking away detainees' privileges "even when they're being good" and denying their requests for water. In her affidavit, she states she was told "they do this to anger the detainees so they can punish them when they object or complain."
When asked why, she claims a guard named Steven told her it's "because he hates the detainees and that they are bad people. He stated that he doesn't like having to take care of them or be nice to them," she says in the affidavit.
Sgt. Cerveny says the guards told her they worked at Camps 5 and 6. When she asked one of the guards about the consequences of their actions, "He said nothing. Everyone in the group was laughing."
They stopped laughing when they found out she worked for a marine defense lawyer.
The sergeant's superior officer, Lt. Col. Colby Vokey, says in his opinion, "These are crimes. These are offenses. Serious abuse of power is what we're seeing here...This is not humane treatment."
He says Sgt. Cerveny was initially reluctant to report what she heard, but he told her to start writing up her affidavit on the flight home.
Sgt. Cerveny says, in the end, she felt a duty to report what she heard, even if she might be accused of betraying the ranks. "What it comes down to for me, morals and simple rights and wrongs. And I don't think a uniform changes that."
The investigation into these new allegations comes as the military and the White House insist any problems in the treatment of detainees at Guantanamo have long since been fixed.
President Bush has said, "Our troops can take great pride in the work they do at Guantanamo Bay, and so can the American people."
About 440 terror suspects from around the world are being held at Guantanamo, including some the Bush administration has designated as "high-value detainees."
Read Sergeant Cerveny's Affidavit.
October 12, 2006 | Permalink | User Comments (136)
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I think it took a lot of courage for her to report what she did. Though I do not support the terrorist plans to destroy our country I don't think we are showing them we are better by beating the crap out of them after we have caught them.
Posted by: Katie Mills | Oct 12, 2006 5:31:07 PM
The interrogation was conducted over drinks? Good way to get credible information.
Posted by: Brad Percival | Oct 12, 2006 5:36:11 PM
I wonder if she's working under cover for Al-Quadia? They're prisioners of war! You know what happens to our kids over in Iraq? They're video taped as they're beheaded. God forbid the us to punch one.
Posted by: Brian | Oct 12, 2006 5:48:56 PM
Very depressing. More so because the vast majority of detainees are innocent. In the past year the U.S. has released hundreds of people after discovering them to be ordinary civilians. That shouldn't be too much of a surprise, since the U.S. offered bounties in the thousands of dollars for any Al Qaida members; it was only a matter of time before criminals began salem-witch-pointing at anything with two legs, simply to collect an illicit paycheck. Close Guantanamo now!
Posted by: Adam Benning | Oct 12, 2006 5:52:11 PM
This is abhorrent, shameful and represents a systematic degradation of our nation's values. Or does it? We, as a people, need to ask ourselves that hard question. It should be addressed publicly and boldly put before the American people. Is this the way we want the world to see us? As torturers and sadistic psychopaths? Let the chips fall for all to see. Have we become a nation that is morally bankrupt to the point that this barbarism can be tolerated or excused? The responsibility for this needs to be placed squarely and finally where it belongs; at the feet of the president, his secretary of defense and we who allow these atrocities to continue.
Posted by: M. Johnson | Oct 12, 2006 6:27:13 PM
This is ridiculous. It's reasonable to believe that some prisoners had their privilages revoked without reason, or that they've been punched in the face. However, I don't believe that these guards smash the heads of prisoners with their cell doors.
If these statements were made, it's plausible that these claims are distasteful tall tails that were told with the sole purpose of impressing a woman. It's a simple fact of life that men lie to impress women. Furthermore, I am interested to know what statements this young woman made prior to hearing these statements. She's a soldier, and I think all soldiers hold a very low opinion of these prisoners. I'm sure she expressed some amount of hatred toward these prisoners... otherwise, WHY WOULD THEY EVEN MAKE SUCH STATEMENTS?
Assuming the allegations are true, I don't imagine these soldiers would openly admit to such actions. That would serve no purpose. The only people that would hear about it are the people who would like to hear about it... and I think this young woman is one of those people.
Posted by: Cody | Oct 12, 2006 6:28:43 PM
How can anyone actually be surprised by this? I am continually amazed that this is "breaking news".
Posted by: T | Oct 12, 2006 6:33:22 PM
Shocked??? Not at all!!!
I've asumed since day 1 this
sort have of abuse/torture has been
going on at Gitmo. Rumsfeld
has alot to answer for,
the venue should be at an International War Crimes
Tribunal at the Hague.
Our reputation for moral leadership in the world is in the
proverbial toilet.
Posted by: George M. | Oct 12, 2006 6:58:10 PM
This is simply what happens when you take GIs in an all-volunteer army and turn them into prison guards or policemen. People do not sign up to be army grunts - soldiers without specialized technical training guarantees - because they prefer that to a university scholarship or even to a job selling Toyotas: I would bet that many of these people were already marginalized and they saw the military as better than unemployment, perpetual "McJobs", or drifting into drugs or petty crime. I would also bet that none of these abusers has ever had more than a three-week course in criminal or penal justice, and that many have themselves had repeated run-ins with the law while growing up.
Posted by: Tech | Oct 12, 2006 6:58:27 PM
In my law enforcement experience, both military and civilian, this is "hear-say". Where is that used in court? I wonder what they would do to her if the situation were reversed. Her a prisoner in their jail. I guess I would need to see some more evidence before I came out with those remarks.
Posted by: Tom | Oct 12, 2006 7:02:12 PM
Gee, another Gitmo story three weeks before the election, how convenient.
Posted by: John | Oct 12, 2006 7:04:41 PM
We have seen our enemy, and we have now become our enemy. When will we learn that taking a "cowbo approach" only leads to more of what we do not want. Our constitution and laws are what we are. If we loose these, we become the terrorists. Sounds like some of out brave men and women in the Army are lost and have become terrorists!
Posted by: dave | Oct 12, 2006 7:05:54 PM
A bunch of male marines trying to impress a woman over drinks - yeah - they would never lie or make things up in that kind of situation.
Posted by: Marky Mark | Oct 12, 2006 7:06:11 PM
Seems pretty stupid to me that she brought this sitaution public. She does not seem to have any information that could be used to prosecute anyone. Basically, she just threw some gasoline on a forest fire...genius.
Posted by: Matt | Oct 12, 2006 7:08:31 PM
I am impressed at the courage and integrity of this young woman. I am all for punishing the bad guys, but it has become increasingly clear that not all of the prisoners in US custody fit that description. Those who do should be charged with their crimes and tried, not held in indefinite detention. I have always been proud of being a law-abiding, patriotic, tax-paying US citizen, and it is unspeakably abhorrent to me that my government now forces me to subsidize torture as a condition of that citizenship. Nothing could be further from my values and ideals. I will never, never vote for a Republican again.
Posted by: Margy | Oct 12, 2006 7:12:18 PM
Are you kidding me? Our country has become a bunch of wimps. These guys are trying to kill our guys!!! Don't you understand that? What planet are you from? For better or worse, we are in Iraq. Will the country let us win? Let's kick some ass like we did in WW2, and we would be out of there in a year, but because weve got so many wimps in this country we will lode the war.
Posted by: Johnny | Oct 12, 2006 7:18:34 PM
One big yawn.
Sounds like any prison in the USA, guards talking, embellishing or not. Anyone who doesn't know that has the good fortune or wealth not have had a family member in the Crim. Justice system.
Miss Prissy probably came from a privileged background, the indignation from ABC is hollow.
Posted by: Jason | Oct 12, 2006 7:23:48 PM
Sgt. Cerveny says, in the end, she felt a duty to report what she heard, even if she might be accused of betraying the ranks. "What it comes down to for me, morals and simple rights and wrongs. And I don't think a uniform changes that."
What a well spoken thought. How sad the upper ranks of the military and the pentagon leadership don't feel the same.
Posted by: Richterscale | Oct 12, 2006 7:30:58 PM
I guess its time to send this Marine to face reality in Al-Quida prison. She will see what toture really is!!! Semper Pi means always faithfull/loyal. I believe her loyalty is on the enemies of America. I love this country of ours and if she don't like it like Barbra she can take the plane and leave and join the terrorist. This is a war not a movie, soldiers always face death on their mission. If this Marine is for real send her at the front line in Iraq and Afganistan. There at least she will earn of what she is paid for. If America will stop the fight against terror who will do it? Hollywood humanist? No wonder the enemies are getting stronger, because people of USA are not united like they are. Who ever are for the terrorist leave this country and join them. At least we know who are the enemies. You Marine if you want personal glory, then don't do it at the expense of others who is serving their country. You are a disgrace on that uniform.
Posted by: Nuel S. | Oct 12, 2006 7:32:18 PM
So, Brian Ross, where are the medical records? What are the names of the guards? What other proof do you have other than hearsay?
You call this hard edge reporting?
Posted by: Chgogal | Oct 12, 2006 7:37:06 PM
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