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You Decide: Were the First Foley E-Mails Worthy of Investigation?

October 06, 2006 4:04 PM

Rt_foley_061003_nr_1The debate over whether Congress should have taken more decisive action against Congressman Foley centers on the e-mails he sent to a 16-year-old page from Lousiana.

Two newspapers, the FBI and congressional leaders deemed them not serious enough for publication or further investigation.

Others are now criticizing those decisions. What do you think?

Read the exchange of e-mails between the page and a member of Congressman Alexander's staff Danielle Savoy. She declined to comment to ABC News about the e-mails.

October 6, 2006 in Mark Foley Internet Scandal | Permalink | User Comments (154)

User Comments

Asking for a picture: There could be an innocent explanation for that. If the kid wanted to use him as a reference later, or apply for an internship, it helps associate a name with a face.

Birthday presents: Off limits, even if the birthday is next week and not four months away.

Posted by: Bob | Oct 6, 2006 4:20:58 PM

there is nothing on the pages. And my first comment to that effect is not appearing on your page.

Posted by: Mark | Oct 6, 2006 4:25:45 PM

There is no question that this whole thing has been long worthy of further investigation and intervention. To criticize ABC for pursuing it is akin to these disgusting tactics of blaming, ABC itself, the victims, the parents, some liberal conspiracy, etc. The responsibility lies with Foley and those who sought to protect him and themselves over the welfare of others.

Posted by: Mike in OH | Oct 6, 2006 4:34:00 PM

The obvious next question for anyone sent to talk to Foley about this should have been:

"Have you been in contact, e-mail or otherwise, with any other pages?"

As House Republican Whip Roy Blunt said:

"I think I could have given some good advice here, which is you have to be curious, you have to ask all the questions you can think of," he said. "You absolutely can't decide not to look into activities because one individual's parents don't want you to," he said.

That sounds about right to me. the fact that those sent to question Foley confined their question(s) to this specific instance shows negligence. Keep in mind that not asking questions was precisely what got the Catholic Church in trouble in the priest scandal.

The "We-talked-to-him-and-he-told-us-he-would-stop" defense didn't cut it for Cardinal Law in Boston and it shouldn't cut it for the House leadership, either. Protecting kids from sexual predation by those who have a power arrangement over them should be more important than simply taking a guy's word on it.

Blunt has it right.

Posted by: Bob Johnson | Oct 6, 2006 4:35:50 PM

Dear ABC News,

I cannot believe that Foley has gotten away with this for so long. I equate his behavior to a teacher seducing their student. Why isn't he in prison and on the sexual predator list? It would happen to anyone else. Why not him?

Martha Fuller

Posted by: Martha Fuller | Oct 6, 2006 4:45:08 PM

I believe that you have shaped this October to fit right into your plans as far as letting the dems win - Are you prepared for what it will be like if Pelosi becomes Leader????????? Please!?

Posted by: Carol Rios | Oct 6, 2006 4:45:48 PM

Yes, the Foley emails should have been investigated - anyone using their position to sexually harass a fellow employee should be investigted and appropriately charged - what are we coming to as a society?? Have we no morals?? I can't believe the comments taht I have been reading on this site - that it is a Democratic prank etc - where are you heads - wake up and realize that there are folks in DC who don't give a damn about our country and its citizens - they feel untouchable and think they can get away with anything - they have gotten away with the torture, and deaths of thousands of US soldiers and Iraqui childre, women and men. When are people going to look beyond party lines and see what evils these Evil forces in DC are doing to our country, citizens and the world.

Posted by: Nadine | Oct 6, 2006 4:57:37 PM

yes, those emails were definitely worthy of investigation, as they involved improper conduct with a minor and breach of a fiduciary duty to the minor. Foley was NOT drunk....he was in a predatory mode!

Posted by: joy | Oct 6, 2006 5:16:58 PM

There is no question Foley's E-mails and actions should have been investigated when they first came to light.

This is, once again, an example of the GOP not holding itself to the same standards it expects everyone else to adhere to.

Republicans continually enact laws restricting rights, criminalizing behavior and attempting to prosecute (and persecute) people they don't like.

Of course, that is for everyone except Republicans in safe house seats.

Posted by: Dave | Oct 6, 2006 5:24:07 PM

Yes the first emails warranted investigation. This is hypocracy on the part of my republican party. No man is above the law. Not even the president. An investigation should have been launched immediately. I wonder why this man has been hiding in a mental clinic since last sunday? Why has the FBI not interviewed him yet? All the house leadership should be questioned under oath.

Posted by: Sparrow | Oct 6, 2006 5:44:31 PM

If the parents of this boy had to contact there Representative to stop Rep. Foley from contacting their child, it screams of wrong doing.

There is NO excuse for this not be taken seriously.

Posted by: Dawn | Oct 6, 2006 5:48:56 PM

I believe that since Republicans were warned about this man they should have been alarmed at what he was trying to do! In one of the e-mails he refers to a 16 year old's hot body! Get real!

Posted by: Clint Brown | Oct 6, 2006 5:49:29 PM

Yes, they should have been investigated, he is implying a gift offered by asking what the child wanted, and then asked for an email pic. Email pics are a dead give away somone is interested in more than a friendly exchange.

Posted by: Leeanne | Oct 6, 2006 5:57:35 PM

No, I think it is a hatchet job. Totally political

Posted by: DJ1313 | Oct 6, 2006 6:01:35 PM

uh-huh

Posted by: snappy | Oct 6, 2006 6:04:26 PM

How can you possibly ask that question? Of couse Foley, and those who enabled this to continue by sweeping it under the rug, must be investigated on a criminal level. Do not trust the politicains to effctively "investigate" this. They had their chances, time and time again, over the years and failed to do so. Foley's behavior is called "grooming" behavior, which precedes and sets-up the victimization of a child. Before this investigation is over, I have no doubt that a page will confess to being sexually perpetrated by Mr. Foley. Foley is the same kind of sexual predator that gets caught in a sting on another network's show that highlights this despicable behavior. The only difference is that Foley has his Republican Party to hide behind. Foley should be subject to the exact same Chester-the-Molerster laws that he passed in Florida while acting under the guise of a pure and God-fearing man who wants nothing more than to hang all the child molesters in Hell. That was nothing more than a smoke screen for his CRT-screen indiscretions. I know his type well. I used to work with child molesters as a counselor. I hope that he serves hard time in the same prisons as the other child molesters...and has to experience what the other child molesters do...it's not pretty.

Posted by: Jason | Oct 6, 2006 6:04:46 PM

OF COURSE!!!

Posted by: JPMBZ | Oct 6, 2006 6:08:31 PM

Yes these emails are worth investing. No they aren't worthy of indicting, but that is another matter isn't it?

It is extremely clear from the chronology of the ABC investigation that all that was needed to get the sexually explicit transcripts was letting the victims know that someone was willing to listen to their story. It should not be surprising that a 16-year old would be afraid of challenging a member of congress. But if the House had made discreet inquireys amongst former pages they obviously would have gotten all of the information they needed to stop this right away.

Posted by: Bob | Oct 6, 2006 6:14:39 PM

As a retired teacher, I find the entire saga disgusting. It needs investigating and heads should roll. Our kids need protection from sexual predators and it applies to both political parties.

Posted by: Dee in Atlanta | Oct 6, 2006 6:18:25 PM

If a kid can think they are sick, sick, sick, so would any adult who is not focused on "how can we save this seat and keep this super fund raiser for the republican cause." This was a very deliberate case of see no evil because it benefited their cause. Totally repugnant. Where was the House Page Board during 2001 until now? Republicans REFUSE to do oversight.

Posted by: sam | Oct 6, 2006 6:20:06 PM

There was enough in those emails to raise suspicion. Mr Foley should have been watched, if not investigated.

It shouldn't have taken the press or the FBI to make something happen. Mr Foley's colleagues should have dealt with this.

Mr Hastert saying he didn't know about the more salacious emails is not an excuse. It was his responsibility to know.

Posted by: Marc S | Oct 6, 2006 6:23:20 PM

why is it! that when the republicans get caught with sick behavior its the dems fault. Why didn't the speaker know if these other Rep. say they told him!!!!!!

Posted by: Sal | Oct 6, 2006 6:26:55 PM

If a kid can realize that the e-mails were sick, sick, sick then so should a whole gaggle of adults. The only reason nothing was done was to protect a republican's seat and keep his prodigious fund raising apparatus cranking out the dough. How repugnant.

This behaviour was so recognizably loathsome that a republican hill staffer felt he had to release the material to the authorities ( the FBI got it in July) and when even that didn't work, released it to the press.He was a brave young man who put our kids and country above the "power at any cost" republican party. Bless him and hope his identity is never revealed.

Posted by: sam | Oct 6, 2006 6:31:34 PM

Much to do about nothing. The Dems can't control themselves. Foley resigned, as he should of. End of Story!

Posted by: Richard Vonfeldt | Oct 6, 2006 6:52:41 PM

Everyone has lost sight of the point. This man is a sexual predator. And he must be held accountable as we do with all sexual predators. Even though this will/may have some kind of impact in politics, everyone seems to be out for them selves instead of dealing with the real issue at hand which is addressing a sexual predator first. Maybe the republicans can save face if they also accept the issue at hand and protect these children and make Foley face his crime.

Posted by: A Mom | Oct 6, 2006 6:56:05 PM

Reporting this story? Worthy??? Worthy of what? Like this is something new. I think that we should let it go. There are gay people or regular sex perverts all over the world. GTHey have not been stopped because they are right next store. Might be your Uncle...
And television does not help. Look at commercials and cable shows and then take a look at your daughter or son who is watching and think of what is stirring up in their minds. I'm sure that the people who produce the shows and the networks that air them know that they don't need to be too sexy, but its all about money. Back to the issue. I am not a Republican, but I think that Republicans might and should start looking for the gay Democrates and gay News anchors... Might even the playing field and people can take a look at the real issues in the USA. I think that the world is going to pot not because of gays, or the NRA, [and by the way what do they think about the latest shootings, and where the networks with that story?] but because of the power brokers in Wash. It's all about the money... And you reading this knows this also. So REPORT THE TRUTH.

Posted by: Wb | Oct 6, 2006 7:02:46 PM

What's getting lost in the reporting of the Republican's response to the initial emails?
In the page's original email he also told Alexander's office about another report from a former page named Kerianna that there was a congressmen that had hit on pages (plural).

Here's the exact quote:
"I talked to another page that was here during the school year and first part of summer. Kerianna (her name) said that there was a congressman that did hit on pages. She didn't know his name. . ."

Why didn't they investigate based on Kerianna's assertion, coupled with the "sick sick sick" emails?

You've got one page reporting a level of contact he considered inappropriate, another page receiving attention that seems inappropriate, and a third page reporting that a congressman was hitting on more than one page. And they keep saying that they only knew about "overfriendly"
emails.

Posted by: beebee83 | Oct 6, 2006 7:02:53 PM

I'm not a parent and am 50+ years old. There is NO way that an adult hearing of inappropriate e-mails from an adult (male or female) to a young person (again, male or female) would NOT have bells going off in their heads if they were responsible adults. It's one thing for adults to do things with adults, its a completely DIFFERENT thing for an adult to engage or try to engage a child.

Posted by: maria | Oct 6, 2006 7:08:55 PM

I know the FBI has yet to change their tune but the two Florida papers you allude too are having second thoughts about whether they should have acted more diligently are they not. And we now know the FBI claimed there were redactions in the original e-mails given them is false. For them {FBI} not to see flags is not excusable.

But to put it in proper context. If your child was a page and was sent an e-mail from Mr. Foley with the same contents of those under scrutiny, what would you expect those who were responsible for your child's safety should have done? Wasn't the contents, although not salacious, something that would raise a flag? Ignorance can not be an excuse when the safety of our children are concerned. Incompetence isn't either. Someone dropped the ball, big time. Republicans are going to pay dearly.

Posted by: Jerry Gifford | Oct 6, 2006 7:13:37 PM

His serial harassment, consensual or not, via instant message to male minors is serious, without a doubt. Those that say otherwise need put themselves in the position of the harassed and of their families. If Mark Foley would be anyone's neighbor, anyone would like to know that he harasses boys and that he is a danger to the community.

Posted by: Nils | Oct 6, 2006 7:18:12 PM

This horrible offense by Mark Foley should have been dealt with months ago. This is NOT a homosexual issue, as the Republicans claim, but an issue of Pedophilia, and all responsible adults with knowledge of his wrong-doing's should be held accountable for allowing it to continue for so long.

Posted by: Melissa | Oct 6, 2006 7:26:07 PM

I can't get the e-mails to download. Have they been taken off the site?

Posted by: Strange | Oct 6, 2006 7:42:24 PM

Any of the apologists who do not think that a 52 old man asking a 16 year old for a picture is a shot across the bow, should be quietly retired to the countryside!

Posted by: JCJC | Oct 6, 2006 8:12:51 PM

You mean the first ones, back in 1994 or 1996? Yes.

Posted by: Frank | Oct 6, 2006 8:19:27 PM

On one hand, I can see where some might dismiss Foley's contacts here as merely "overly friendly", as Speaker Hastert's office evidently did. However, this has to be judged within a wider context, which the student's email to the staffer also gives indication of: he had heard "that there was a congressman who did hit on pages", but he was not sure that Foley was that congressman. As it turned out, Foley was and the student was not overreacting. If there was some indication of other questionable contacts at the time, this information should have triggered an investigation.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 6, 2006 8:19:36 PM

Worthy of investigation?
Sure.

Why not investigation EVERYTHING about the original story and possible setup of Foley as a joke instead of the Dan Rathergate part II effort to destory Republicans in an election season.

Posted by: Mark | Oct 6, 2006 8:34:35 PM

WHOEVER IS CRITIZING IS NOT THINKING ABOUT THE YOUNG KIDS.
MAYBE THEY DO THE SAME???

Posted by: BRIAN | Oct 6, 2006 8:44:42 PM

I read the email and think it should have set off alarm bells already in the Republican hierarchy since these pages were (are) 16 years old (although in some states, 16 is the legal age of consent).

But, as in the Catholic church cases, often the first reaction of hierarchy is to verbally reprimand and hope it never happens again, instead of going public with it.

Posted by: Arthur H. | Oct 6, 2006 8:45:35 PM

If this was a non-issue for news agencies (I know Fox was told about this and did nothing), FBI (I assume this is regarding the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) reporting the emails and FBI doing nothing, CREW has contacted the DOJ about why they didn't), and Congressional leaders (who? Hastert, at the center of the mess?), then how is it that ABC News was able to find corroborating evidence of many instances of Foley's wrongdoing within a day of them being contacted with nothing more than 'overfriendly' emails?

Putting it even more succinctly, the question isn't why these other agencies and organizations felt this wasn't worth pursuing, to me the question is why did these agencies and organizations do so very little at all to see if there WAS any evidence?

If a news agency can come up with the info so quickly, doesn't that say just as much about the groups approached earlier about the emails (like Fox News and the Republican House leaders) inability to investigate something going on in their own backyard?

Posted by: pakaal | Oct 6, 2006 8:50:57 PM

What a question? Obviously, the e-mails were worthy of following up on, given the exchanges Foley had with pages in subsequent e-mails. That anyone would pose such a assinine question is beyond me. But, of course, once more it is just a ploy to cover up for doing nothing when the truth was, the GOP was protecting their majority rather than the children entrusted to their care.

Posted by: SierraBW | Oct 6, 2006 8:53:56 PM

They sound overly friendly considering who they are from and to but they hardly sound sexual in nature. Commenting about what shape one of the pages is in while talking about riding your own bicycle and going to the gym sounds like one teenager talking to another (that's a little odd). If he'd asked for a naked picture or bathing suit picture, I could understand the reaction.

Posted by: dtegtmeier | Oct 6, 2006 9:03:12 PM

ABC was able to dig up corroborating evidence soon after being contacted. If Congressional leaders had actually done the same, they would have discovered the same scandal.

The question isn't whether the FBI and Congressional leaders were wrong in thinking there was no scandal, the question is why at the first sign of a possible scandal they took no action at all and left it to others to reveal that the scandal existed. What's the point of having a head of the House of Representatives, the Page Board and an ethics committee if they don't do their jobs?

Posted by: pakaal | Oct 6, 2006 9:25:43 PM

If an ex-page said there was reported to be a Congressmen who was "hitting" on pages, clearly that should be brought to the attention of the Page Board. After all these are minors in most states, and the Page Board likely has an implied fiduciary responsibility towards them. I cannot imagine not informing the Board about that.

Otherwise this ex-page wasn't comfortable with Foley's e-mails - calling them sick, etc. I would think that would be worthy of a follow-up phone call from a staff member so as to prevent any future problems.

However if your sole objective in Congress is to avoid making any waves while enjoying the numerous perks of the office, then you would probably do nothing.

Posted by: Chris Baker | Oct 6, 2006 9:25:47 PM

Of course they needed to be published, who do these politicians think they are "God" I mean I realize many of them, Bush most of all thinks God speaks to them and them only, but give me a break. It's a problem for them that these were released and the timing but its not a problem that this phedophile was sending lured and sexually sugestive e-mail to kids that were there to learn how our government works. I'd say they learned pleanty! Sue F

Posted by: j filutze | Oct 6, 2006 9:49:24 PM

It will certainly be sweet this November when the Democrats learn that their bottom-feeding, gay-bashing bag of tricks didn't pan out for them.

Posted by: Hugh Betcha | Oct 6, 2006 10:04:42 PM

A question for ABC and Brian Ross...have you released all of the information you have or do you plan to continue the drips right up to election day? Have you turned everything you have over to the authorities? Have you suceeded in becoming the story yet?

Posted by: Raebie | Oct 6, 2006 10:09:00 PM

In my state 16 is the age of consent. It's not right though and as he is a public figure, he should be held to a moral standard. The drive-by media is definatly exploiting this. Even Dateline tried to tie it in with the perverts they busted. Still though, it should be investigated.

Posted by: G. Eaglebarger | Oct 6, 2006 10:26:42 PM

To the person above who once again referred to the revelations about Foley as a "prank". If you got your news from a more reliable source than Drudge you would know that not one page has confirmed this.

You would also know that reports of inappropriate sexual communications from Foley have now surfaced from pages during serveral Congressional terms. One of these individuals from Kentucky is currently serving in the US army in Iraq.

I doubt that he or any of the others were in on this supposed "prank"

Posted by: feddup | Oct 6, 2006 10:35:01 PM

Are GOP guys like George Bush and Baker pedolphies for protecting Hastet?
ALL PEDOLPHIES MUST BE IMPRISONED ESPECIALLY THESE LIARS LIKE FOLEY. Since Foley was active in protecting children from predators, he should be in jail for life.
Americans are not to be played with anymore by these wolves like GWB who was a drag before....maybe he still likes boys.

Posted by: S. Chevalier | Oct 6, 2006 10:43:33 PM

Absolutely! It does not matter when the details were out in the public, the importance is that the Speaker and other GOP members did not take action as long as three years!

Posted by: Dhwani | Oct 6, 2006 10:44:26 PM

Hang him

Posted by: Bob | Oct 6, 2006 10:48:31 PM

"The Democrats who are exploiting Foley's homosexuality didn't care about the teenager that Horton mutilated and murdered, or the woman he raped, or the husband he kidnapped."

That was a horrible sequence of events. However you are talking crimes committed by one twisted individual who was not involved in decisions pertaining to the government of our country.

Would you like for me to point you to the lengthy list of Republican politicos who have been charged with crimes relating to pedophilia?
It's publicly available, but if you need help finding it, just ask.

I'm only sorry that political affiliation is so important to some that they are willing to put it above decency, ethics, and morality.

Posted by: Feddup | Oct 6, 2006 10:49:25 PM

Why doesn't everyone wait until all the facts are known before condeming a person or a political party? We know Foley is sick. He is gone. That's great. Can all you people wait until you hear the rest of the facts. Use your heads and think this through.

Posted by: Herman | Oct 6, 2006 11:07:01 PM

Of course Foley should be punished. And, of course "everyone else who knew" should also be punished, regardless of who they are. Sad but true, our society is becoming more tolerant of wrong-doing; however, we still expect public officials to remain ethically true and honest, and maintain the highest moral values. These sex-scandles are not acceptable. Everyone involved must be disciplined. This behavior must be stopped. Too bad society tolerates such nonsense.

Posted by: Justin | Oct 6, 2006 11:10:23 PM

It's a strange question, considering what's happened since.

Posted by: Wisco | Oct 6, 2006 11:37:31 PM

Don't miss the story in the Washington Post that says a second aide has testified that Hasterts assistant Palmer met with Foley:

"The staff member said Hastert's chief of staff, Scott Palmer, met with the Florida Republican at the Capitol to discuss complaints about Foley's behavior toward pages. The alleged meeting occurred long before Hastert says aides in his office dispatched Rep. John M. Shimkus (R-Ill.) and the clerk of the House in November 2005 to confront Foley about troubling e-mails he had sent to a Louisiana boy."

It makes a STRONG implication that the Foley problems were part of the reason the House Clerk Trandahl resigned suddenly, with very little fanfare.

Posted by: WaPo | Oct 6, 2006 11:42:29 PM

There's no way I could read that email and not look into it further if I had any sense of responsibility for kids, ethics, or moral compass.

And I don't think that has anything to do with party affiliation, because I'm proudly Independent, and my entire family who consists of everything from gun-totin' NeoCon Republicans to goddess-worshippin' Dang Liberal Dems all feel the same way.

Maybe picking up on those red flags has more do do with being a parent and with being someone who has in fact seen the bad stuff in the world, not living with the proverbial silver spoon as many politicians seem to do, I dunno. But there's no way I could have ignored it!

Posted by: Make it Happen | Oct 7, 2006 12:03:08 AM

Would they have investigated someone who wasn't a US rep? Had he not been a good old boy, he would have been investigated. Predators are predators. They need to be flushed out and exposed for what they are.

Posted by: Phyllis Pelletier | Oct 7, 2006 12:04:28 AM

Of course it was important to expose this man. Would you want someone like this in your neighborhood stalking your sons? The most disheartning this is that the powers that be have tried to cover it up...it smells very bad and they will hopefully all pay for their misjudgements and neglect of our children! Family Values...UGH!!!!

Posted by: jill | Oct 7, 2006 1:08:33 AM

It's like a soap opera...Frankly, the initial emails don't seem that incindiary (though reading a full text here has been difficult so I may have missed something)...but what is beyong troubling is the IMMEDIATE resignation of Mr Foley - if it was innocent he'd have fought...clearly it wasn't..it was possibly criminal. I will be interested to see how much Hastert, et al knew and the decisions they made around that..sad days in this country

Posted by: Matt | Oct 7, 2006 1:18:40 AM

It's true, this isn't a partisan problem, this is a sexual predator problem. But it's funny he'd cop out by saying he's gay, in a party that hates gays and freedom and hires secret police and blocks investigations of 9/11. And since when has ABC ever reported the truth? Anyone see their 9/11 program? It is all about the money and they payoff from the GOP running that before the election cutting out commercial slots worth millions. Who does the government (democrats and republicans) and the media think they're kidding? Oh yeah, everyone who voted for Bush and Cheney.

Posted by: Chao | Oct 7, 2006 1:20:35 AM

I might be way off base by bringing this up, seeing as this is politics and nobody really cares about the kid, but here goes.
When is a kid a kid, and when is he an adult? When he steals, he´s an adult. When he kills, he's an adult. When he has sex he's a kid. Nobody would disagree that pedophiles should be locked up. Im only saying, when kids reach a certain age, they need to be responsible for their own actions. That things need to be looked at from all angles. Not long ago I was a teen and when I was 16 and saw an attractive girl or women I didnt want her to look at me as a kid but a man.

Posted by: psvans | Oct 7, 2006 1:30:12 AM

The new GOP motto seems to be: Circle the wagons, boys! "Party trumps Pedophila". How sick and pathethic. This party has sold its soul to hold on to power at all costs. The corruption has now clearly infected most of its rank and core. America is in great danger if we don't soon change course.


Posted by: David Mulrooney | Oct 7, 2006 3:10:32 AM

I keep hearing about gay-bashing, about people attacking foley for his homosexuality.
This is nothing but Republicans deflecting blame. Foley is a PEDOPHILE. Nobody cares if he's gay, nobody really cares if he's an alcoholic. Either one of those would have generated a single news story that would have been quickly forgotten.
What we have here is a pederast who finally got caught, and a web of conspirators in the GOP who willfully hid this problem for years.
Foley and the GOP will pay dearly for this breach of the public trust .

Posted by: Steve Savage | Oct 7, 2006 3:16:30 AM

I'd like to see the reply emails from the page. We only have half the story when we don't know what the page was saying to Foley.
It could make Foley's emails sound more or less strange if you knew the response from the page inbetween.

With only Foley's non-sexual emails at his disposal, the parents and Rep. Alexander telling him they didn't want an investigation and Foley's reasonable sounding response that he was only trying to mentor the page, then I think that Hastert's reponse was appropriate.

Posted by: J Lamb | Oct 7, 2006 4:54:50 AM

those emails arent criminal but they are a little weird. now im a democrat and id like nothing but to see the republican party to drown in a sea of irony.to a trained eye they are a warnigs sign but as much of ann ass as i think foley is hastert isnt a psycoligist and maybe he should have looked into it more but you cant kill a guy for being weird
i dont think hastert just from lookin at those emails had any idea however if it was coupled with the "open secret" of foley being gay
should have warranted a query deep enough to say hey guy has this nuttball been buugin any one does the lack of this mean hastert doesnt care no i think he was not payying attention these things arent always easy to know so dont hate him but watch him ok

Posted by: chris | Oct 7, 2006 6:48:58 AM

I think it is sick, what this man was doing. But we know there are perverts in every walk of life! Even in the clergy. What ticks me off is the cover up. Yes they knew and tried to cover it up. Power and money are what drives this party. Not morals and values.Even more than that they are trying to blame news outlets. They had Monica and Bills info all over everywhere as soon as it hit. Before it hit they had Linda Trip doing the dirty work. Betraying and friend for political gain. Taping conversations with her friend Monica who pursued as much as being pursued.She was 22 and it was not her first adulterous affair. I know quite a it because the story consumed news for a very long time, fueled by republican operatives, who are a damn sight better at the politics of personal destruction than the democrats.
Now they want to cry vast left-wing conspiracy!!When Hillary eluded to a vast right wing conspiracy she was mocked by republicans.
To me the story is now" who covered it up and when." Those who exploded with self-righteous indignation at such a vile thouht of a sexual predator such as Bill Clinton, are now singing that same tune in defense of their sleazy actions.
And if Hastert or any of those puritans say they didn't know one more time I'll scream. They new all about Clinton before,during and after. Perhaps they should have had Linda Tripp on the case. She was always in the know! Don't stop ABC. And by the way when did you guy become democratic operatives?

Posted by: D. Mckinnon | Oct 7, 2006 7:43:05 AM

Why are we even asking the question? As a principal, if I needed a photo of a student for records, would I ask for it in a personal email? would I even HAVE a personal email conversation with a student?
Are we saying that the government has less protocol, requires less caution, than a school?
Now THAT's scary!

Posted by: sheri | Oct 7, 2006 8:09:05 AM

The e-mails between the Pages show they were upset about the e-mails, that should have been the first clue.

E-mailing pages in this matter is inappropiate and should have been investigate, if for no other reason, to avoid what is happening now. There have been many news items regarding pedophile priests so this should have been looked into. It's not as if this is something new.

Posted by: Kathy | Oct 7, 2006 8:28:01 AM

For those who can't find the perverted instant messages, there is a site. The first couple of pages are tame, but after that... well, if you think it's normal for a 52 year old man and a 16 year old kid to have conversations like this, you are no better than Foley is.

Posted by: sick of them all | Oct 7, 2006 8:35:01 AM

Why pose such a question? Is ABC coming under pressure from corporate powers? We all know that the Mega/global/corporate world that decides what we hear and watch is trying to sabbatoge this story. Sit back and watch the masters work their magic. Two weeks before the election this will be the Dems fault!!!

Posted by: JWard | Oct 7, 2006 8:37:20 AM

Republican Family Values? I'd say they have beat this statement to death. If these guys are an example of family values, then we are going downhill fast.

Posted by: Mark | Oct 7, 2006 8:58:41 AM

Foley has given new meaning to the phrase "turning over a new page"...

Posted by: Samuel | Oct 7, 2006 9:16:16 AM

I don't really care if the speaker thinks the Democrats leaked this story. Just this past week "The Swift boat" crew publicly & brazenly declared they were going to "swift boat" John Murtha. Turnabout would certainly be fair play in this case, if it were true. The bullies on the Republican side are now crying foul? Regardless of how this got started you have the facts of what Foley did. He was smart enough to resign immediately and hide in a rehab.For years while bashing gays, the house leadership acknowledged Foleys little secret, left him in the party, just because they needed his Florida seat. They willing to hush things up for years and expose the kids to this man. Family Values be damned.

Posted by: A. Amy | Oct 7, 2006 9:35:42 AM

Congrats to ABC News for pulling this fox out of the hole.I only wish I could have been there to see Foley's face when you caught him. I work in the mental health field, and I sometimes think I've heard it all, but, this guys a pervert with some really lame excuses. A couple of years in an all male federal lockup will most likely give him a new perspective on unwanted sex.

Posted by: David Sundvold | Oct 7, 2006 9:59:51 AM

Rush and Sean Hannity and the rest of those folks seem to me to be in complete denial regarding Foley and the war.it's been awhile since they have felt the sting of defeat and humiliation. Hey Republicans!Do you like Apples?

Posted by: Roland | Oct 7, 2006 10:02:04 AM

Wow, it's interesting to read all these outrageous posts. I don't follow politics closely but the venom has been eye-opening. It appears that the terrorists have successfully turned our country into a war-zone of a different kind.

What I find most sad is that I figured this was the one issue EVERYONE regardless of political stripes would agree on: protecting children from predatory behavior. Apparently that is only the case in my Kansas neighborhood. This basic tenet sure isn't valued by some in this forum or in Congress.

Posted by: Mindy | Oct 7, 2006 10:26:04 AM

Pray, tell. How did Foley manage to run straight into a Rehab and hide?....Isn't he supposed to be held in a jail?

Posted by: acforsure | Oct 7, 2006 10:36:57 AM

Of course an investigation should have been launched upon receiving the complaint.

Failing to do so constitutes an inappropriate and improper granting of confidentiality to the parents of the page if their story about the parents requesting that confidentiality is true. They had a responsibility to act on the information that they were given, and should have conveyed that message to the page and his parents. From what we know, the leadership didn't conduct any kind of investigation into the allegations of improper conduct by Foley - the only person they spoke to according to everything I've read is Foley himself.

I understand the parents wish to shield their son from the scandal - but Reynolds, Hastert, etc. have responsibilities that go far beyond that one boy and his family, and they had a duty to investigate, and then take appropriate action.

I worked for a youth organization for years so I also understand wanting to satisfy parents and to respect their wishes, but that is not the primary consideration in cases like this one. And by the way, that consideration also applies to any workplace harassment claim, as I'm everyone knows.

Posted by: M.Pearlman | Oct 7, 2006 10:39:12 AM

Who put the fox in charge of the hen-house? This man had, as my mother would say, a Reputation.

Posted by: joanne | Oct 7, 2006 10:42:22 AM

Nice hatchet job. Nice timing. One problem. Foley already resigned what's the point? He didn't actually do anything with a page...and he resigned. Democrats do not get the same treatment from the press. Demo leadership circles the wagons and protects their own. Making this Dennis Haserts fault is another hatchet job that will spell two words for YOU Mr. Ross... DAN RATHER. I can already smell the yolk on your face. Just wait.

Posted by: diego | Oct 7, 2006 10:53:27 AM

Do I smell the views of a very few pedophiles here?