It is disturbing to see that Nato members and other Caucasians and Turkey are aligned against the Third World in this secret, covert pact.

It becomes clear what the so-called terrorist are really fighting for, their very existence and control of their natural resources.

DEMOCRACY! Rule by demons.

So what?

It is time to go global and cease the need for the spy agencies. Taxpayers do not benefit from them, they spend loads of money and what is the purpose and what good do they actually do, aside from lying to the taxpayers?

Terrorists are terrorists. Whether or not what the CIA did was right, what the terrorists do is wrong. Period.

Well, it looks like we still have some friends around the world helping us. I think that is a good thing.

BFD.....
Oh, they are not "so called" terrorist, they ARE terrorist.
It is naïve to think that we can dispense with spy agencies. They serve a vital function for our national security.
They can certainly be vastly improved and better managed than they have been in recent history.

Good. Good over Evil. I don't think sensitive logistical information needs to be made public.

We need more secret prisons.

Just another attempt by the man to keep people down.

Hey Bungee, how do you know the people Bush secretly, and illegally, transported for torture ARE terrorists? Name one of them. Just one. Or are you saying our President can torture people in secret, and has no burden of proof other than saying "trust me?"

If you had ever read our Constitution, you would know we have a court system for alleged criminals. And we have it for a reason. IF they ARE terrorists, as you claim, then why couldn't Bush have brought them before a court of law to stand trial? Instead, he hid them from the world and tortured them, which suggests he didn't have enough evidence for a full, fair trial. And if he didn't have enough evidence for a trial, he sure didn't have enough evidence to torture.

Let's just hope Bush doesn't decide to randomly call YOU a terrorist one day. You can see what fate would be waiting for you.

it would be mind boggling to think how many they have done around the world.
Cutie
Kingston, Jamaica

We need agencies like the CIA. Somebody has to keep an eye out for potential terrorists.

Secret prisons are fine for terrorists - but who decides who is and isn't a terrorist? That's the problem. Once we allow the government to send terrorists to secret prisons, all they have to do is change the definition of 'terrorist' to send you to a secret prison.

Wrong is wrong. It does not matter which side you are on.

If one innocent man is kidnapped its wrong.

For those who think its ok I guess you would not have a probelm spending a couple of years being tortured for the goodness of all.

I dont think you would have that opinion if it happend to you.

With over 50% of the prisoners not having any terrorist connections and some being released, this secret prison, torture business is so Hitler. how many decades will it take to get our nation back on course. All of this is completely against our constitution, why no impeachment?

These are all war crimes, violations of Geneva, and impeachable offenses.

Failure to impeach, remove, prosecute and punish, then "render" to the Hague for any pending charges make one complicit as a war criminal themselves -- aiding and abetting after the fact.

With majority power comes responsiblity -- and culpability. The LieberDems have to decide if they're with the torturers or against them. Before their 100 hours of wish-list fulfillment.

There is no middle ground.

Impeachment IS our postive agenda.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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"Instead, he hid them from the world and tortured them..."

Maureen,
To paraphrase what YOU said, how do you know they were tortured? Name one of them. Just one.

You seem very interested in believing the negative...

so whats a few flts and jails between friends, anyhow?

Agree they need to go through due process, wtf since when did the President become King? I thought the founding fathers created a revolution because of this....

"Maureen,
To paraphrase what YOU said, how do you know they were tortured? Name one of them. Just one. - goetz"

I can name more than one:
Mohammad Al-Zery and Khaled el-Masri, among others - both innocent, both kidnapped by the CIA and "rendered" to countries where they were tortured. A great many have been "rendered" to Uzbekistan where torture is systematic and includes drowning and suffocation, rape quite commonly, and also immersion of limbs in boiling liquid.

Some of you kill me....talking about constitutional rights and due process...these people don't have any rights! They aren't Americans! They want to kill you, how can you be so naive? There are evils in this world and things need to be done "under the table" and out of the publics eye for the publics on good. The day we start treating terrorists as victims is the day we lose. Some of you are really out of touch with reality. Pick up a history book sometime.

Forget history. Use LOGIC Jeffrey. One does not need to be an American to have rights. If you expect to have certain, "rights" then every other person should be accorded them as well. You won't understand though-not until you've been pulled over for NO REASON, beaten, chained, thrown into a cop car without being given a reason for your abduction, taken to the detention center, and TORTURED for an entire day. Wake up, and YOU get real. Imagine this happening to you or a member of your own immediate family. This country has a real problem. Any thing that you feel needs to be kept secret is probably NOT A GOOD THING.

Hmm... would any of those history books mention anything about "inalienable rights" or "ALL men are created equal". This nation was founded on the belief that no nation, president, king, or ruler of any kind could grant you freedom. That freedom was born in every single human the minute they came into being by God.
Man cannot grant basic human rights, nor can he take them away. There have always been those that attempt it. Hitler being the most immediate to come to mind.

You people are so very sad, I mean look at what your president is doing to your country and your freedom all in the name of OIL and the interests of the richest people in the world not to mention their agenda, you should watch the documentary Loose Change now that is an eye opener, So what Saddam killed a few hundred people, Bush and his cronies killed thousands of people and not to mention the soldiers he's killed by sending them to war in name of his interests, WAKE UP AMERICA..!!!
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Portugal

Brian wrote:

""Man cannot grant basic human rights, nor can he take them away. There have always been those that attempt it. Hitler being the most immediate to come to mind.""

Hmmm, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfield come to mind well before Hitler.

Torture is being used to perpetuate the phony war on terrorism. Tortured suspects will admit to anything to have it stop. They will name people as accomplices. These will be arrested, and tortured until they, too, confess. The press will publish this as progress in the war, while stupid sheep like some of you cheer them on as saviors. If we don't wake up and put a stop to this, it is only a matter of time until we are all on the list...

Don't forget, this 'war on terror' was kicked of by 3000+ Americans murdered in the WTC by a covert CIA/Mossad operation while the entire USAF / defense department sat on their hands. Who got our defense to stand down? Who benefits? That makes Muslims / Arabs / whatever terrorists? What makes us think 'our' government ever tells the truth? What makes us think the *** owned media ever tells the truth? War is peace, ignorance is bliss, freedom is slavery, torture anyone but me.

Stop and think. Rendition flights make no sense. We are asked to believe that all this effort is expended in the service of misguided and over-zealous agents in the "war on terror".

The traffic of high quality drugs as a superior substitute for currency or gold is very well known. Simply Google "Professor Alfred McCoy" in order to receive an education in these matters.

Rendition flights only make practical sense if they are seen as a major part of the contraband highway. These flights cross borders and find safe haven all over the world.

Who remembers Iran-Contra? Who remembers Air America?

The same players from those days are still flourishing in the Bush Regime.

We will never defeat terrorism by acting like terrorists ourselves.

The reason these prisons were kept secret is so torture and other inhumane treatment could be carried out without the knowledge of humanitarian organizations.

It is despicable!

forget the torture... put bullets in their heads and be done with them

USA patriots should abandon either the Demublicans and/or Republicrats so as to unite and draft US Rep Ron Paul to be the President of our once-proud Constitutional Republic. Support our troops; impeach, convict, and imprison Bush/Cheney while we still can!!!!!

Star with the moneytary systems of the world. Follow the name Wolfawitz.
Which means -witz (german for joke or hope) So you can take it as "a joke from a wolf" or the "hope from a wolf" It all leads to "the world order"

It has been reported that 737s were used for these flights. Each 737 carries about 100 passengers.
So, do the math. Over 120,000 victims of US torture?

That we know about. Or ... horrific experiments involving electroshock, drugs, brain implants, sensory deprivation, psychic driving, forced sleep, ritual and sexual abuse. Military and intelligence uses of mind control including theft, assassination, and sexual blackmail using child victims. We'll be talking about the uses of creating MPD in people for mind control programming and its links to the MP effects of ritual abuse. We'll be discussing with therapists to talk about the effects of severe trauma, sexual abuse, recovered memories and the 'False Memory Syndrome'

If they were not terrorist initially it is said the spooks are creating them ...

The so-called "secret prisons" never held more than 100 prisoners. The 14 total prisoners still being held in them were all transferred out this year. The Euro Report says the CIA made 1,245 flights to Euro airports. It does not even begin to suggest these were rendition/prisoner flights. It does not claim these were secret to the countries where the flights took place. The Euro parliament, with all its resources was able to name only 18 individuals involved in "reditions." Six of those were Bosnians who went directly to Guantanamo & no torture was alleged. Don't you think that if there were 100s of thousands, someone could name a few more? If an Egyptian, Moroccan, etc. is captured fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq, why should the CIA NOT transport them to their home country? Al Qaeda has claimed 12,000 foreign fighters active and 4,000 KIA in Iraq. More than a dozen investigations have been conducted into the treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody, and procedures have been revised as a result. Legislation approved in 2005 bars the use of cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment against detainees, approximating what is in the Geneva Conventions, and on July 11 Pentagon officials issued directives to clarify that all prisoners, including any Al Qaeda detainees held abroad, would be treated in accord with Geneva Conventions forbidding even harsh treatment in interrogations.

you want to get rid of the problems with the prisons and all of the other secrets that have brought this nation to shame with the rest of the world. get rid of the CIa

What Mr. Bush is the rigth thing to do we need to protect our people and our soldiers if any of you don't like it, please don't come here to live, we dont want you here..this is my land my flag I would not shear my freedon and my liberty with any who oposess the dreams of the American people, I am a US Marine....for now and for later...

How soon we forget the torture of Americans that took place in North Viet Nam. What does our (the US's) Constitution have to do with anyone outside of the US? We should call the Geneva Convention the US Convention...only we are suppose to abide to it!!

as soon as the protocols are set in a new stage we will all win