Kool Beans. 90 grand for a kidney.

This is not a new story to me. Any communist goverments' country always have a tortue and evil things to do their own people.

David, you said any communist governments' country always have toture and evil things to do to their own people.. Hmmm.. Executions are carried out every month or so in the USA. Maybe taking the prisioners organs for people who need them would be a better way for them to pay their debt to society. I think its a great idea, and I'm all for it! There are huge lines for people in prision to die, and there are huge lines of people who need organs. Sounds too easy to me.

If someone is going to die anyway at least they are putting the parts to good use to save a few other peoples lives.

China is our biggest importer of goods, China is our biggest taker of American jobs, yet we condemn Iran and North Korea and invade Iraq. What the hell is going on? We should shut the import door to all China goods and turn our prisons into factories of these same goods.

Tom Vaitys- That's disturbing. I suppose on the one hand China could argue that some good comes from executing murderers and other horrible offenders. On the other hand doesn't the profit from harvest organs encourage shoddy convictions and executions? Pretty damned disturbing

And if Halliburton could get away with it they would.

What's disturbing to me is not so much the mandatory giving of organs, but that the executions of these prisoners are timed to coordinate with a paying recipient. This is inhuman because after condemnation, the prisoner's body becomes little more than a life-support system protecting an asset of the state (which in this case would be an organ).

what is wrong with chinese goverment...They need to improve their human right...killing or taking stuffs away from executed prision is not make someone be rich

This story is very important. China is positioning itself as an economic power. It can't do that without the help of other countries.
They will have to "open up" their society in order to do this. That could mean discarding gruesome acts like this one.

This story is very important. China is positioning itself as an economic power. It can't do that without the help of other countries.
They will have to "open up" their society in order to do this. That could mean discarding gruesome acts like this one.

Why cannot the citizens in this country sell their own kidneys? Why shoud the goverment be involved at all. Who does your body belong to anyway?. Chicoms selling prisoner kidneys does not surprise me..

DAMN-

I'll sell MY kidney for $90k!
bring your pliers, I'm broke!

This is sick. Just plain sick. Considering the amount of societal repression and horrible human rights record of China, how do we know that these organs are coming from convicted murderers, and not political prisoners of the Chinese government? China, with its barbaric, backwater policies like this, is completely undeserving of any place of prominence in the international community.

It sounds sad but if the organs saved from the deceased are used to save other Chinese in China then it's a good intention ...but to sell 'em to foreign countries is inhumain ....but then who, in China, can stop officials in the communist regime from doing what they do ...pretty soon there will be a lot of condemned prisoners in the country that has over 1 billion bodies...just for profit.

China has been involved in all kinds of human rights abuses in Tibet - but the US which is seeped in hyprocrisy hardly ever protests. After all, Tibet has no use to US.. Only a country like India could come to Tibet's aid.

Over a billion people. Is soylent green next? Over a billion served. It rates in my mind as the same moral level. Capitalism without a spirit. Remember the roots of evil, Greed, Hatred and Delusion.

The point of this story is that China is not executing murderers and rapists and then just repurposing their organs, they're executing political dissidents, bloggers, religious activists, and Falun Dafa practitioners. And they're doing it for profit, not out of any sense of justice or "recycling." It just happens that locking up and murdering critics of the government now makes a tidy profit.
I know what you're thinking, Halperin and ABC, we should do that here! THAT would sure help the Republicans come 2008...

In China you can get arrested and sent to prison and executed for the things that we take for granted. Free speech, free press, the right to assemble, freedom to worship in the way you choose, things that we take for granted, the Chinese are not afforded. These are basic human rights. But,exercising one these "inalienable" rights can be a crime if it does not agree with the Chinese governments agenda. Therefore, these "horrible" criminals that they are harvesting organs from may have been sent to their death for one of our "God-given" rights. The "end does not justify the means." Even if the prisoner was a hard-core criminal, their punishment was meted out and justice was served. Therefore, the harvesting of their organs is basically just another violation of the Chinese government of the rights its' people.

This doesn't surprise me. I have family in China. Everyone there knows about this like how we know who the president is.

David, you said any communist governments' country always have toture and evil things to do to their own people.. Hmmm.. Executions are carried out every month or so in the USA. Maybe taking the prisioners organs for people who need them would be a better way for them to pay their debt to society. I think its a great idea, and I'm all for it! There are huge lines for people in prision to die, and there are huge lines of people who need organs. Sounds too easy to me.

Posted by: Chris | Nov 21, 2006 2:43:03 PM

Really? And if your son or daughter is wrongly convicted you wouldn't mind the fact that his appeals are cut short because a rich person needs an organ? You really think there's no politics at work in the system.

This is the start of rushing death for others who desire somthing they have. But, everything is simple and black and white to a guy like you right?

Strange how you have the same opinion toward prisoners a government condemned by every developed nation in the world including our own.

Thank God we've got a constitution and Supreme court and don't rely only on the opinion of the mob.

Even in the U.S. and with our "advanced" legal system, some people have been wrongly convicted of crimes, then sent to prisons for decades. Perhaps this alone is an argument against the death penalty in ANY country!!! -- innocent people should never be sent to prison, or killed by the state!!! ---

in response to sheila it must be mentioned that a person gives up certain "god-given" rights whenever they join any form of government (look up Locke if i'm correct). In this case, by being under the Chinese government, people give up certain rights in order to be "protected" by the communist party, and to an extent they are. Harvesting a person's organs in China may not necessarily be in violation of their rights, simply our interpretation of what their rights should be.

As for my opinion on this topic. It seems somewhat justified that they are using the organs from executed criminals to help others. However, selling them to foreign citizens instead of "sharing them among the people" is kind of a hypocritical move by a communist government. In addition, the harvesting of the organs of political dissenters does seem a bit appaling, but there is not much I can really do about it.

After all, it is good for the poor poeple to get a transplant operation. Although this is the dark side of human rights.

First thing are these people getting fair trials to prove their innocence? Do they have attorneys protecting their civil rights? If not, then wouldn’t the country be considered for murder; in which they would kill their own people because they can produce a better profit from the dead than alive? Would you want an organ from a murdered victim?

Some of you are being naive if you think this practice is a good thing. Tell that to the 8 year old who just lost her father becasue he was speaking out against communism and human rights abuses.

Poor, needy Chinese people will not receive these organs. Foreigners and, more often than not, wealthy and/or well-connected (read: Party Members)Chinese will receive these organs. It is a business, and a gruesome one at that. How can anyone argue that a Chinese government official would not be tempted to add a few more to the condemned list when a kidney can be sold for US$90,000? There are over two dozen crimes in China that are punishable by death, including the catch-all "crimes against the State".

Forget about the radical Muslims; China is the real enemy of the world and poses the greatest danger to all of us.

This is certainly very disturbing, and it is a sign of how very far China has to go before it comes into alignment with what most of the world considers acceptible behaviour, however, isolating China and thus slowing down thier progress towards becoming a modern economy and society will hurt more than help in the long run. The best approach is to increase ties between our two countries and to mantain pressure. As China becomes more integrated into the world, they will eventually bow to reasonable demands the world makes of them.

Why not use these organs. Why put them in the ground where they have no use. I think that if a person dies and has somthing useful like organs that can save a nine year old kids life why not do that. But to do this for pure profit is wrong.

This no only happen in china, but also most countries in Asia such as india, where it's more serious that many farmers sell their kidney to feed their family, still it's not forbidden by india government .

And to think the Tibetan people have been called liars and "ungovernable" by the Chinese for accusations such as these for years! FREE TIBET!

I disagree with John Locke's philosophy. People don't voluntarily join a society. They are born into one, conquered by another, or kidnapped and brought to the US as slaves. Some people are not allowed to leave their current society to join a new one. But the more money you have, the better your chances are.

I'm not even gonna try to talk about the Nazi regime.

If a government deny certain innates rights to their people, they are pet owners and the people are nothing more than pets. They can do whatever they want within the fenced lawn.

The point of this article is the implication that those whose organs are harvested are not guilty prisoners; they are innocents, whose crime was merely political dissent or religious differences. This is not an argument against the death penalty. This is an argument against a skewed government system, where those who supposedly execute "justice" have an ulterior motive. And no, there is no doubt that Chinese persecution. If you search "Chinese shooting Tibetan" on youtube.com, there is a short movie which shows Chinese soldiers shooting Tibetan dissidents.

To Amy: Nice idea about shutting out China, etc. Do a little homework, though. China OWNS us thanks to the governments propensity to spend like it is an Olympic sport. China buys all the notes on this debt. If they stop, we will collapse. Most Americans have no idea.

China is killing millions of baby girls. The government has little to no respect for human life. This should surprise no one.

China routinely arrests people for trying to speak freely. I wonder how many protesters have been executed to make a buck on their organs. It is not as simple as "at least some good can come out of it." The ends NEVER justify the means.

This is nothing new. China admitted in December 2005 to harvesting a few organs from death row prisoners, but according to the Kilgour-Matas investigation report - -- the principal source of organs for transplants comes from the unwilling Falun Gong prisoners of conscience who are killed during the process. This is murder for organs and it amounts to genocide--a blatant disgrace to humankind. Make no mistake, Beijing is trying very hard to cover the genocide.

Premiere Exhibitions "Bodies: The Exhibition" uses preserved cadavers from China for their shows, and they refuse to provide consent forms or identification to local authorities. Don't go to their shows! They are a publically traded US corporation using legal loopholes and fourwalling to make money off dead Chinese.

Locke's social contract was just that, the idea that a form of civil government and its people had an almost contractual agreement. The governed would give up their individual sovreignty in order to be a part of the "community," in order to be protected.It was a conscious choice. But, the government he was referring to was "civil." China's record on human rights is appalling, and any form of dissent is not tolerated. As such, where is the contractual agreement?
In my opinion, I do agree it does sound noble, the harvesting of organs to help the poor. But, where does the exploitation of prisoners end? Why not use them for medical experiments, why not if it is for the better good?

Chris,
The bizarre irony of what you mention has already occured! One prisoner, I think from Texas, wanted his organs to be harvested before his execution, and that request to my recollection was denied.

What next ? Arrest people based on their organ value ?

Ther's gold in them thar executions!!!!!

China 'outstrips world' on executions

Some prisoners are executed publicly

China executed more people in the last three months than the rest of the world did in the past three years, the human rights group Amnesty International says.
In a report published on Friday, the London-based group said China has put people to death not just for violent crimes, but also for offences such as bribery, embezzlement and stealing gasoline.

"The campaign is nothing short of an execution frenzy, a huge waste of human life," it says.

Kapow Mao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Always outsourced to the cheapest Communist labor.

Wow. To all the people saying its justified -- America is getting old, people. And old people can live a little longer with new organs. With good enough transplant technology you can live until your brain dies. And laws can be changed, and someone else is always the lawbreaker. Where do you think it would end? I think it would probably end with habitual traffic violators. We'd have a very orderly society though.

Free and open markets, right? How could you argue with that?

Only two opinions are relevant on this agenda those who are dying of kidney failure and those who are about to have their brains blown out.

geez I have a extra kidney, lung, testical, eye, and can do with out alot of other parts. Why should the govt say i can`t sell them. I need to put my kids through college! I really ( not kidding here) sell a kidney for 90k

Please consider the likelihood that more disenfranchised will be sentenced to death just to provide organ parts. The poor cannot afford adequate representation and they will be railroaded to execution and many will become pawns in the "organ mill."

WHY THE HELL DO WE GIVE CHINA MOST FAVORED NATION STATUS at the expense of paying fair wages to workers all over the globe. They torture people and animals and while the gov't reaps the rewards of a capitalist system the people are living in the poverty created by communist system.

ALL COUNTRIES NEED TO STOP ANY AND ALL TRADE WITH CHINA. Holy cow how obvious could this be?

The US won't even let condemned individuals donate their organs even with the condemned asking to be allowed to do so.. go figure...

Will there be an organ donor Barbie next? Made in China, of course...

To all the people that keep ranting in asking why we, the (USA), keeps doing business with China and grants them favored nation status, it's like someone earlier pointed out. China is the USA's biggest creditor, lending us the billions we need to fund our wars and expand our military. If we tried to shut them out, our economy would collapse.

Get a grip on reality and some sense of economics please!

I don't know what the point of this article is. Is it to call China a lying country or to condemn organ transplants? Here's my 2-cents; China is gonna run thier country as they please. And they please to run it for thier own benefits just as the USA should do. (Hint to USA to quit trying to make other countries clones of the USA )
We need Middle East cheap oil, German and Russian Scientists,Indian and Pakinstan Doctors, Mexican Laborors, South American coffee, etc. And Organs anywhere we can get them.

What's the big surprise? There is a communist party in this country and you bet that's on the agenda as Commies are best at killing their own.

What's with these defenders of China's practice of selling organs of executed prisoners? Are they aware that China has executed people for 'corruption' and even for 'homosexuality'?

If you really want to get a first hand look at some of China's human rights abuses, read "A Heavenly Man". The things they do to this poor guy are unbelievable. -Just for "speaking out"

why not if they are going to die anyway a good pay back, for thier room and board. as long as it doesn't lead to murder just for profit...we should do the same here.it's a good thing for people waiting to live a full life and all they need to do so is a body part...

I don't think it's a ture news.I read china daily everyday,but I never saw such a news.I suspect...

Shees...what's a couple of organs amongst friends? Jacque Gustaux reckoned the world populus needs crimpen by at least 60 or 80%.If you want to survive whereever you are,Be honest and source nutritional organic food, let the rest be done by the pharmaceutical Co's to diminish the numbers.

Doris,

I can appreciate what you're saying although I don't agree with it because this is done without their consent.

But in the case of political prisoners such as Falun Gong practitioners--they are put to death during the process of having their organs snatched. This is murder for organs. The Falun Gong have the best lifestyle - they don't smoke nor drink - so their organs are the most popular and go for more money on the black market. This genocide has been going on for 7 years.

http://investigation.go.saveinter.net

If we legalized the trade of human organs, prisoners' rights would be guaranteed. Why not just legalize black market and save lives of many people legitimately?

the internet certainly opens your eyes to what goes on in the world,and ok if china wants to execute their murderers then fine but make sure those that are getting the bullet really deserve it,but this is wrong wrong wrong.