I completely agree with the CCR.

I think Donald Rumsfeld will be remembered as the best Defense Secretary since Robert McNamara.

Yes, Rumsfeld as well as the United States should be held accountable for the war crimes commited under their so-call "save lives" I am a U.S. citizen but no one country should be above the law. Harsh interrogation techniques should be abolish. If we have to stoop to the terrorist level and torture detainees then we have become what we hate and have lost our humanity as well as our freedom.

Puhleeaze!

I am no fan of the war. But,where were these guys when Saddam was doing worse - a lot worse?

Seems like selective memory to me!

Your right Rich, Saddam committed a lot worse crimes than Rumsfeld. He is going to be hanged by the neck till he be dead! Being Rumsfeld committed lesser crimes, he should get a lesser sentence. Just because one criminal is worse dosen't mean the lesser criminal should not be punished!

The left won't rest until they draw blood on someone in the current Adminisration. If they choose to go down that road,they might as well kiss "08 elections goodbye, people want to see what "great plan" they are going to implement now,not how may people they will waste time amd money taking down.

I keep hearing how the US is as bad as the terrorists......well, I don't know where any American has chopped the head off some prisoner. It's war and $hit happens.

The big secret is out the Dems don't have a plan for the war, for the economy, for healthcare. All they are going to do is get revenge for poor old Billy Bob Clinton.

This is for Ben.
If a terrorist was holding you captive and you only had hours to live I'd torture the heck out of him to save your life. And I'd be glad when you were found alive and complaining. Because we torture does not put us on the level of the terrorists. Now if we were sending our women into the Mall of America to set off suicide belts, or saw through the necks of innocent people then yes we would be on their level. Why can't any one see the difference between the evil that are the terrorists, and us trying to stop the spread of that evil.

I cannot believe how many people actually defend the terroist now. It seems as if we can no longer tell the difference betwween right and wrong. The man has served his country in possibly one of the hardest times.

I don't think this guy Michael Ratner, President of CCR knows what he's talking about.

Even if Rumsfield is charged with war crimes under international law, he won't be arrested unless he leaves the US. Before Rumsfield the US military had a strong tradition of upholding the Geneva Conventions. However it was shocking how easily Rumsfield and Republicans in Congress were willing to abandon that tradition. After all organized terrorism has been with us since around 1800.

Under international law, to which the US has long been a signatory, a person cannot be charged with war crimes until they leave office. There is talk that Bush will be charged when he leaves office.

Rummy will just hide in Florida like Jeb did to avoid Texas law.

That's correct, fellow Americans!

Seems IL ol' junior Bush committed fraud in the Lone Star state, then escaped to Florida and then ran for governor.

Bush senior gave him Florida.

If I were held captive, honestly I would rather die then know that someone else is to be torture and kill just to save my own hide.

I would be more than happy to hand him over to them for trial.

Accountability should be the hallmark of a nation that heralds its own democracy. I don't know if Ratner and CCR has a case, as I can't see what is different now from the case that was dismissed. But it astounds me to see so many here appear to endorse and promote the use of torture. In the name of what? What has our nation become?

p.s. I'm no democrat.

WAY TO GO SPO!!! I couldn't have said it better myself. Just wanted you to know you weren't the only one who thinks that way!

Impeach both those two Texas road-kill then charge both for Treason.

Ha looks like politics as usual. rather than get going on fixing the problems we're just going to spend time and money getting an eye for an eye. we changed the diaper before the baby was done and it still stinks.

I concur with a charge for warcrimes. The only question should be how can we get Rumsfeld, Bush and "Shotgun" Cheney to trial and make sure it is as fair as the one Presdent Saddam Hussein has been given.

If you think you can do a better job - submit your resume - it is always easier to critize than it is to come up with a solution of your own isn't it? What about the civil rights of all the victims of 9/11 or those of Sadam's victims? The fact they are filing in Germany says a lot - they don't want to face the citizens of this country with these outrageous claims.

I think you must all remember that the end does not justify the means.

athere is general disconnect on the left when it comes to comparing right and wrong. The terrorists are not legal combatants and are therefore not entitled to the status of such under the Geneva Convention. Therefore, while you might want to condem the Bush administation for using harsh interrogation methods, it is NOT a war crime based upon international law.

Furthermore, to suggest that using such methods lower us to the level of indiscriminate, ideological, facist murderers shows that the poster is completely without judgment.

If Rumsfield approved torture, let the chips fall where they may. More important is our own investigation of how we were misled into war, the billions in military contracts, and what really happened on sept. 11, (who did place all those put orders for american and united stock, anyway?)

Serves him right - but they should waterboard first until he confesses.

And Republicans talking about how it's gonna be in '08? FUGGEDDABOUDIT. You obviously have no clue how it is in '06.

You all need to get over yourself... I dont see you fighting over there for YOUR freedoms. All you do is sit back on your couch and complain like some sissys. He is a great man.

Are we talking about coercive techniques or real torture? If we are talking about coercive techniques then we need to put a lot of people in jail. When my dad was in the army during Vietnam, soldiers captured during a war game would be "tortured" by our own guys. Anyone passing this "torture" got 2-3 days of leave. My dad only knew of one person who got the leave during his the time he was stationed there. One guy. ONE! Is this torture? Is it really? No permanent damage was done to these guys. Just mental stress and pain. Is that wrong?

People who think that stopping water boarding will make the terrorists more friendly or prevent us from dropping to their level have a distorted sense of morality.

Defend the terrorist? What are you talking about? Do you have evidence that all the people tortured at Abu Graib were terrorists? If you do, I'm sure Rumsfield would love to have it. The fact is, people were tortured that had no connection to terrorism. Innocent people were subjected to "rendition". Laws were broken, period.

like the germans have anything to say about war crimes,, remember teh nazis?

From the bottom of the employment line, all the way up to the President of the United States, people are placed in jobs to do a job. In doing any job, you must decide what is the most effective way to be productive, within the rules of engagement, and the laws, in order to be successful with the task at hand. Whereever you are employeed, there are "employee handbooks" that lay out the rules, and limitations. Same thing with the laws. Regardless of what our personal feelings are regarding the rules, you are responsible for knowing the rules/laws and follow them. You don't follow the rules, you face punishment. You don't follow the law, you face punishment. So this is pretty easy stuff.

If the rules and laws were broken, he should face punishment under the system in place.

If he did not break rules and laws, then he should not.

Simple stuff. Now, if you don't agree with the rules or laws, engage yourself in the process which has a say so on those rules and laws. Until the rule or law changes, then your personal convictions..or how you feel are just that. YOUR convictions and YOUR feelings.

When Saddam gassed the Kurds the United Stated VETOED a UN resolution to place sanctions on Iraq. It wasn't in the US's interest to have sanctions at the time. Now that Saddam is going to face justice it is only fitting that a few of those who willingly aided and abetted him in his crimes swing along side him. And Rummy is near the top of the list!

Rumsfeld should be first of many in the criminal Bush administration. But - it will get little note in the U.S.

Those that see differences between terrorist organizations and folks like Bush and Rumsfeld don't see the hypocrisy of their position.

I think this is baseless and I feel no shame at the US doing anything that is required to win a war and protect our boarders. Since they are willing to fight a not traditional war with us, I fully endorse any tactics needed to get information.

Terrorists don't have Constitutional rights, nor are they covered by the Geneva Conventions. They should have been shot on sight, not taken "prisoner".

Bravo! It's about time the United States was held to the same standards as the rest of the world! Why not file against the sitting president and his cabinet? They're all guilty of war crimes!

If my mother, father, sister, brother, or friend were about to be executed by a terrorist group and I had one of the terrorist in my possession I would beat the cr*p
out of him until I got the information I needed to save my family or friends.
War is war not some silly game you play. It's kill or be killed.

Most Americans are deeply ignorant about what goes on during these secretive interrogations. We know prisoners have been turned in by jealous neighbors and kept for years without any charges on file. We also know prisoners have died during our interrogations. How do we know we have not indeed stooped to the level of the terrorists by killing innocents in horrific ways?

When "hooding" and "stripping" are classified as torture, we need to just surrender. If these techniques save the life of one person (American or foreign), Rumsfeld should be knighted.

As an american, I could give a rat's behind about what we have to do to get vital intelligence from terrorists. Terrorists target innocent civilians like me and my family. Any information that interrigators can get to keep me safe, I support. Terrorists are cowards and are lucky we are soft and don't execute them on the spot (usually).

Rumsfeld went wrong by not going to war with enough troops to properly secure the country. He was stubborn and would not admit his failings. He stayed way too long and helped cause a historic shift in power in the US.

"In order to save the village, we had to destroy it" --US Army officer, Vietnam, 1968

I'd hate to think Bush/Rumsfeld think the same about the principles of freedom--democracy, human rights etc. etc. they constantly harp on in media soundbites. If they do, they should stop waving the flag about and stop yakking about spreading this "freedom" they have so willingly violated as a matter of course since 2001.

The ends DO NOT justify the means. It IS about right vs. wrong. It is NOT about what is legal or illegal.

EVERYONE IS REALLY GOOD AT PASSING THE BUCK. TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. I HATED HEADS ROLLING AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE BUT I STILL DO NOT BELIEVE THAT OUR TROOPS SHOULD HAVE BRUTALIZED PRISONERS. RUMSFELD SHOULD HAVE STEPPED DOWN A LONG TIME AGO, ALONG WITH BUSH. YOU CAN ONLY GET AWAY WITH INSULTING THE INTELLECT OF THE MASSES BEFORE IT COMES BACK AROUND TO BITE YOU. THIS WAR IS JUST ANOTHER VIET NAM AND I OPPOSE IT TOTALLY. I THINK THE ELECTIONS TURNED OUT A-OK.

Hey SPO,

Just to summarize your comment to Ben. You are saying that, "The ends justify the means." The supposition of innocent until proven guilty applies unless we are talking about terrorism? Possibly you believe that armed robbery or shop lifting would be appropriate crimes for torture as well. Do you trust the government to draw the line between support of terrorism and civil disobedience?

At the failure rates the goverment has seen in identifying terrorists, the government would be well within their rights to arrest every person in the US with a drivers license in the interest of saving lives.

Silly far left liberals like Ratner, who probably never wore a uniform in defense of his country, and doesn't understand what it's like to be shot at, would make the US the evildoers of the world. Get out of my country you damned traitor and move to Iraq. Go peddle your nonsense over there where they'll make head cheese out of you. BH

You know what folks? War is a nasty business and it is designed that way...to be a so terrible and and horrific act that we do not ever want to see it again and will at all costs avoid it. As long a we try to "Civilize" war...those with the long fingers will be around to point blame. Everyone said this has gone on long enough and we should be out, Rumsfeld blew it, fire him...Give me a break! Dealing with Terrorism is a risky business in the first place, especially when only one side plays by the rules. You figured we would have learned from Korea and Vietnam on a correct course...guess not. Don't shoot the Doctor because he didn't cure the cancer. Rumsfeld did what he could under great difficulty and stress...WAR CRIMES? I don't think so. Wake up people!! America has a very short memory...we were the ones attacked!!
This kind of talk and finger pointing if done during WWII would have amounted to nothing less than TREASON!!

so to defeat the terrorists we must become a little like them? Is that the answer? I think what you dont comprehend is a lot of these guys are innocent, it is hard for to determine if they are terrorists, so innocent people are being tortured. Also torture simply does not work, people will say anything to make it stop and you will being chasing false leads. It is proven the best way to gain information is to gain a relationship with the prisoner. Then you can get further information down the line because they do not hate you for tortuering them. You can work with them, they are humans too. Also David the situation you talk about very rarely woul occur. You do not really know if an attack is that inement. Who do we allow to judge an attack is imminet? But of course if you somehow know by the grace of god that an attack will occur in one hour unless you ruff the guy up, you are going to do it and no court in america will convict the interregator. But! you do not write this system of torture into law and let this become common operating procedure! Come on people have some common sense

It's about time! Donald Rumsfeld deserves to be tried for war crimes. Our government has given him a pass. If our own government won't stop him,unfortunately, it is up to other countries to bring justice for Rumsfeld.

My question is, Where was our American Supreme Court in all this? Lets get past the Geneva Convention,...no one follows those "guidelines" anyway,...
What happened to OUR American Constitution? I haven't exactly seen Americans Protesting the decisions made by out Leaders, like in Vietnam. Just a few camp followers doesn't count--Cindy Sheehan). It should be very embarrassing to Americans that it takes the Germans to bring up the War Crime issue against an American Leader.

There is plenty of evidence that this administration manipulated intelligence and used 9/11 as a pretext for the Iraq War and profited from it politically and financially. At the cost of thousands of lives and billions of dollars. When they should have been using all resources to capture Osama bin Laden who remains free to attack us again.
Why do we punish criminals? To hold them accountable for their crimes and to dissuade others from committing those crimes in the future.
It is the duty of our new leadership to investigate, try and convict all who committed crimes. If they do not, then they will have failed us too.

So to defeat the terrorist we must become a little like them? What I dont think you guys grasb is we do not know if these people are terrorists for sure. It is hard to pick out a terrorist. Therefore innocent people will get wrapped up in this situation and tortured. This is where the American justice system thrives. You are innocent until proven guilty, you have a right to an attorney, you can defend yourself in court, and you are not tortured. This allows the innocent caught up in the system to protect themselves. Now some may say well this is war. Well this war never ends. There will always be terrorists. It is a war on terror like a war on drugs it is unclear and has no ending. The war in Iraq will end but new terrorist threats will appear, and so on... Are we willing to become a country of tortures to become a little more secure(probabl not more secure anyway). Also torture does not work! A person will say anything to get out of it. Studies show and gov't officials say the best way to gain info is to build relationships, then you can even get info years down the line because these people do not hate you, remember they are people too.
And to David-
The ticking time bomb situation almost never occurs. You do not know when interregating that there is for sure an imminet attack. And in some case my the grace of god you did know they would attack in an hour you would ruff the guy up, and no court in america would convict you. But! you do not write this system of torture into law, and make this a systematic way to deal with suspects. Very bad things will happen! Lets all use some common sense. Is this really the road we want our country to go down?

Incredible. I don't know how this group expects to be taken seriously. I think there's a collective insanity in parts of Europe.

This is something that needs to be said more often--

Yes, the terrorists are evil. Yes, they deserve punishment for what they have done. But when we sink to lying and torture, we make ourselves into terrorists. There are not levels of evil; evil is evil. There is no 'us and them'; there is humanity.

Rumsfeld should be punished; saying that is not defending Saddam. Saddam should be punished; saying that is not defending Rumsfeld.

The world's in colour, not black and white.

What do you think the chances are that a former senior US official gives a tinker's dam about some tinhorn loony's lawsuit filed in Germany?

Superfluous twaddle.

Saddam was a tyrant, but has anyone seen the 1982 photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand when he (Saddam) was our friend in Iraq's war with Iran? Rumsfeld was President Reagan's special envoy to Saddam. Did the U.S. seel weapons to Saddam that are now killing American GIs? Just a thought.

Please, let's all use our brains. Rumsfeld don't give a damn about me or you. He had power in his hands and he exersied it. He was definitely power tripping. Probably smoking a nice expensive cuban cigar as they tortured those prisoners. This whole damn war is about power and the US, Middle East,Iran,Germany, China, Russia, and north and South Korea are all flexing to see has more of it.

Wow, it must be nice living in such a simple black-and-white world.

I think we can all agree that terrorists are bad, m'kay? But the way the current Administration has dealt with this so-called War on Terrorism has NOT effectively dealt with the problem. In fact, it has made the threat of terrorism WORSE, no matter WHAT the government tells you.

Rumsfeld and company have committed war crimes - we've known this for years, but it's taken way too long for this to hit the mainstream. Rumsfeld is one of many people, all the way up to Bush himself, that need to be held accountable for their massive failure to deal with the threat of terrorism effectively.

That does NOT mean that people who called for Rumsfeld's resignation and Bush's impeachment are "defending terrorists". It's not so cut-and-dry, black-and-white, and I really wish people would get this through their heads. The terrorists, whoever they are, are evil and I agree they must be stopped if we are to return to peace. But the Bush Administration is ALSO wrong and is doing a BAD JOB.

The Democrats may not seem to have a cohesive plan right now mainly because there's such a HUGE mess to clean up, it's difficult to know where to start. You try running the country sometime - let's see you come up with a complete plan to fix the mess in just a couple of days.

Unfortunately we are not living in a perfect peaceful world. We are living in a world where single individuals can take the lives of hundreds. I'm sorry, but if our military has to interrogate and torture a few terrorists to get information that could prevent the death of Americans, then I am for it. I wish that "building relationships" would allow us to get the information to help keep America safe. I just find it hard to believe that can happen considering that Israel and Palenstine has never been able to forge a peaceful relationship.

Seems to me , most of you don't get it at all, 25 years ago it was predicted (CIA) FORTOLD ,,, The next war would be waged by TERRORIST .
With all it's military might and technical superioritys , They COULD bring any Country to a standstill, Cripling commerce , trade , travel . Esentialy Force that nation to PROTECT ITSELF WITH ANY MEANS AVAILABE . Our ememy's ride Donkey's , Camel's,,hide in caves , KILL so patheticaly cruly and for no other reason but " reports say the athlets were killed because they wore SHORTS "
In our history books or what we have learned from our prev. wars , have left us with very little Relevant , Practical or Battle Stratagies that can be aplied .This Enemy has shown that with only a few dozen men it can stop a nation in its TRACKS .
Geneva Convention,,,Give me a break
. Did Bin - Laden and his buddies sign it? Abide by it.
They BEHEADED MEN & WOMEN right in plain VIEW Recorded to Throw it in the FACE of the WORLD POPULATION .
For those who think that the Methods used to Interogate the prisoner's Deemed to be EMEMY COMBATANS ,,,look back in history
What Country has used such soft handed interogtion techniqick ..none,
im sure Most Millitary and College
Faterneties do worse to thier own pleges dureing Pledge Week.
While our enemy Shoots Unarmed Civilian Contractors , Beheading Unarmened Civilians , SO BOLDLY to Vidio tape it and dish it up on the New's and Internett and I hear not a SHOUT ,,AMAZING..
all in the name of Ahla,,
A book called Onward Christian Soldier's.. tell's of the Millions that have Suffered Tourtured , Savagly Burned , Trown to the Lions , All in the name of God...
One man has delusions , he's deemed to be Mentaly Unsound hmm
Millions suffer from delusions ,
they call it Religion..
One sentance summs it up really
nice , to our Enemy .You all Need to Evolve

Amy: We villify the terrorists for torturing our soldiers. We call that absolutely wrong. We all agree that it's a terrible thing when one of our soldiers dies at the hands of a terrorist, correct?

Think about how the rest of the world feels when they hear how our government tortures a person. Can you see how condoning torture could be seen as a bad thing?

Hello??? Did anyone happen to read this article? It isn't the "LEFT" that's wants Rummy tried for war crimes, it's a group of former Iraqi detainees who were held in Guantamo Bay. If we gleaned such great intelligence from torture, we should have won this 'war on terra' a long time ago.!!

We should not compare what we do to what 'terrorists' do. We should follow our own laws and values. No one will know if Rumsfeld is a war criminal unless the issue goes to trial. Only a verdict will resolve this question.

I don't think Democrats need a plan for Iraq. Clearly Bush and his supporters did not have a plan. They scrambled the egg and expect others to tell them how to unscramble it.
Besides no plan will work as long as Bush is in charge; incompetence matters.

The American voter who supported Bush in 2004 share a lot of responsibility in this.

Alls I gotta say is my momma always used to say "If someone jumped off of a cliff, would you?" and for those of you who miss the analogy, when someone is doing something WRONG and/or stupid, it is NOT a justification for you doing it. Sometimes, just sometimes something is wrong because it is wrong....

It's ridiculous to argue about torturing terrorists to gain information, and the people who give the example of their family being held at gunpoint and they must torture someone to get the secret code is nonsense. The present US regime has used the most vicious techniques to torture a lot of innocent people to satisfy their racist and war-mongering power trip. Their logic is totally un-American. Presume guilty based on race or religion until torture gives you no valid answer. Shame on Rumsfeld/Bush/Cheney and the immoral lawyers who provided legal cover for their actions.

Hey, Right Wing Whackos--
What century is this? I can not believe the ignorance I see on this page. The only argument I keep seeing people go back to is the hypothetical scenario, "if my mother, brother, sister, etc. was kidnapped".... this is just lame. Of course we ALL love our families and would each take a bullet for every one of them, but you're not taking into consideration that the info torture gives is rarely reliable. If you want to beat the cra* out of someone out of frustration, then just own that, but I wouldn't want to do MORE damage for my cause than good. Not to mention that which others have also said--our record at identifying terror suspects has been shoddy at best. T

Everyone keeps putting up hypothetical situations about terrorists capturing their families, so its ok to torture. This is a ridiculous argument, because you dont even know if the guy your tortturing even knows anything about your family or anything else for that matter. It is a know fact that torture is ineffective and inhumane. If we start torturing people, then our other enemies like Iran and N. Korea, might do the same to us.

Second you say Dems don't have a plan? Getting Rumsfeld out of office is a great start if you ask me!

Ummm Mike, You say we can torture because we were attacked? So you are either saying we have OBL and are torturing him, or we can torture anyone who looks like him...so by your logic, a guy broke in my house and killed my dog, he was big and fat and white, do I now have the authority to "get even" with all big fat white guys? And I will say it again and again SOMETIMES SOMETHINGS ARE WRONG BECAUSE THEY ARE. Period. No justifications. No excused

I am sorry, but Rumsfeld was never held accountable for the war crimes he committed as Chief of Staff for President Ford and as Sec of Defense in 1974 and 1975. He and Dick Cheney were partt of the NSC that approved using enlisted men in human experiemnts with chemical weapons and illegal drugs such as LSD, PCP, etc at Edgewood Arsenal, they were committing war crimes long before Saddam was http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/6/102919/7467 the veterans and their widows still can not collect their veteran benefits or medical care due to the problems caused by these experiments 31 - 51 years ago

I think it is important that government officials be held accountable for their actions.

Torture, secret prisons, and indefinite detentions without charge or representation. These sound like war crimes to me. Why should America be exempt from international law?

Give me a break, the Democrats don't have any plans, all they are out for is revenge, they are no better than terrorist. If clinton would have done his job we would not be in Iraq. OH he was really too busy with the woman and not acting like a PRESIDENT should.

Of course Rumsfeld, et al, should be held accountable for their war crimes! Rumsfeld took us back to the dark ages. As an American citizen, I have been disgusted and shocked as to how complacent the American people have been over the last several years with this Administration. All you need to do is remember Nazi Germany and all the crimes committed against humanity performed in the name of "the better good" for their country. Haven't we learned anything?

First of all coercive techniques do indeed work. It is a fact. Look it up. This fact has been reported.

Second of all, if an innocent person is captured on the battlefield it is up to their country to negotiate their release via diplomatic means. This has happened with people that we held at Gitmo (we ended up re-capturing some of them so I doubt that they are innocent). In a war, there is no habeas corpus for POW's. Prisoners do not fall under the US Constitution. Prisoners are kept until freed by their friendlies or at the end of the war. This is the way it has always been done. Doesn't anyone play "Capture the Flag" anymore?

This is also why the NSA does not need a warrant. They are part of the DoD and have no standing for warrant in civilian courts. Only when the information is passed from the NSA to the FBI are warrants involved. The reason the information is passed to the FBI is because the NSA feels they found another wire tap *target*. The target of the tap is what is subject to a warrant, not others that happen to call the target.

This is similar to if any of us called a criminal subject to a wire tap. Law enforcement does not need a warrant to listen in since they already have a warrant for the target.

I know this might be too much logic for some of the irrational people that must be reading this. Put aside your emotions and read up on the facts.

Donald Rumsfeld should be tried and convicted, along with Dick Cheney and George Bush, for war crimes. The hypocracy of these guys is unbelievable. They use claims that Saddam tortured his people as evidence of what an evil man he was but then turn around and do the same damn thing to people we have captured and try to defend it in saying they are just "trying to protect Americans".

You can spin all you want and try to claim that "where is there compassion". But if you make that argument I would love to see you volunteer to jump on board of 747, hijack it, and fly it into a building full of innocent civilians. I mean they did it right?

torturing terrorist is a GREAT idea, make them want to get revenge EVEN more!

Accountability is a good thing. Closing the General Accounting Office in Iraq because they were exposing criminal activity in the reconstruction efforts and passing blame to the soldiers who executed torture orders from their superiors at Abu Ghraib is a disrespect to every soldier fighting over there. Considering all of the people who have paid for their lives, Americans and Iraqis, to hold no official accountable for the blatant mistakes in this war is criminal. The fact that it is even being debated shows how far this administration and the segment of America who support them have escaped rationality.

Lets see, how about we send Cindy Sheehan and Clinton over to Iraq, I'm sure they can bring peace over there. Democrats don't have a clue on how to run this country. Clinton era is proof of that, thats how we ended up at WAR !!!!!!!!

Handing Rumsfeld over is ridiculous and impunes our sovereignty as a nation. I would never be in favor of Americans being tried by any else but Americans. If he was handed over, people, you'd be violating his 6th Amendment right to a trial by jury in the state or district where the alleged crime was committed. Rumsfeld didn't commit a crime in Germany so this is absolutely preposterous and even entertaining it is selling out on American Constitutional Guarantees. Let's not even start how this could be a violation of Due Process.
What is this? Torture to to save thousands of lives is okay, but violating the Constitution is okay, because its Rumsfeld and you don't like him?!? How absolutely crazy.
Torture...I would allow it exactly in the form Rumsfeld authorized it. Saving thousands people, it wouldn't cause me to lose sleep knowing I and my family are alive because someone was tortured...remember, torture doesn't mean the torturee is dead.

I love my country. I would take a job that allowed me to torture terrorists and I would also work for free. Torture anyone who gets in our way!!

HAHA

Everyone wants their pound of flesh one way or the other. War crimes - I don't know - stupidity definitley - turning a blind eye maybe - have the wrong command structure yes. Having served this country during Vietnam, and knowing of what both sides dished out to each other - the ends never justifies the means. WE are involved in a Global War on Terror, but also involved in an occupation in a country that does not want us there. Excuse me the miniority in control want us to stay to protect them lest they be overthrown by a savage Radical Islamic group of warlords. WE have placed our youth in harms way - asked them to protect a fledgling democracy - seconded guessed any and all methods used to secure that democracy - no I do not condone torture, but I know from experience that when you are the one getting attacked with IED'S - make shift car bombs - suicide bombers - humans tend to sink to their lowest level - survival. It is easy for us to sit here nice and comfortable blogging away, and say sent them all to jail - until you've seen your best friend head blown off or mangled by a explosive device you cannot predict how you would act in the face of such an enemy. My only hope is that there will come a time soon that the Iraqi people will decide to live as civilized people, and take control of their own country, and say no to the Radical Islamic horde that wants to engulf the entire world in conflict. If you think that this is an ememy that you can win the hearts and minds of - you are dreaming - we need to stop making new ememies of those we simply suspect, and investing in real credible intelligence - not with torture or coercion, and not only on our own, but with our allies in this conflict, and when a really verified - confirmed threat is identified - eliminate it without mercy.

I meant torture to save thousands of lives is not okay, but violating an American's Constitutional rights is okay because, well, it's Rumsfeld and you don't like him?!?

"I think Donald Rumsfeld will be remembered as the best Defense Secretary since Robert McNamara."

I disagree. I think Rumsfeld is the best Defense Secretary since William Cohen.

Now that the Democrated have the house and senate, they do not want revenge, they want ACCOUNTABILITY! If Rumsfeld and family are innocent, then they have nothing to worry about.