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Wounded Vets Doing Well, But Payroll Problems Continue
November 10, 2006 2:58 PM
Tomorrow being Veterans' Day, we at the Investigative Unit thought it would be a good time to check in on a couple of the wounded veterans that we've interviewed since the beginning of the Iraq War to see how they are doing.
We first spoke with former Staff Sergeant Eugene Simpson at the beginning of this year. Simpson was paralyzed in an IED attack.
The Army had mistakenly continued to pay Simpson a combat duty bonus while he was in a military hospital. Simpson himself hadn't noticed the error until one day his paychecks stopped coming. The Army was docking his pay until they got back the thousands of dollars that Simpson had been overpaid. Thousands of dollars that Simpson and his children needed to pay their bills.
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After our report ran on Nightline in January, the Army contacted Simpson and paid him back $2,600 in back pay that he had been docked. The amount was far short of the $7,000 to $8,000 Simpson says he was owed, but today Simpson said he is satisfied that at least a portion of his pay was returned to him.
"I'm not a greedy person," he said. "They did give some of it back."
Simpson said his physical rehabilitation is going very well.
"I go to the gym at least three times a week," he said. "I'm getting a lot stronger."
This Christmas, Simpson plans to move into a new house, and he hopes to return to school after he and his three children get situated.
"I'm doing really well," he said.
Former Staff Sergeant Ryan Kelly served in Bosnia and Iraq. His unarmored Humvee was blown up as he was traveling to a meeting about rebuilding schools in Iraq. His right leg below the knee was blown off.
Kelly is now working as a helicopter flight instructor in Arizona, and his wife Lindsey is an Army 2nd Lieutenant in the Army Reserves.
"Things here are going really well," he said.
Kelly also volunteers for the Wounded Warrior Project, and he lobbied intensely to enact historic legislation that enabled veterans to apply for disability insurance. Before, they were only offered life insurance.
For the past two summers, Kelly has participated in Soldier Ride, a 4,200 mile bicycle ride across the country to raise money for Wounded Warrior.
Kelly has also previously dealt with payroll problems. He had just finished going through rehabilitation when the Army sent him a letter threatening to ruin his credit and call in debt collectors.
He had been overpaid by $2,200 but, like most, never realized it.
In an interview earlier this year, the Commander of the United States Army Finance Command told ABC News that wounded soldiers like Kelly will no longer be reported to credit bureaus or have debt collectors sent them.
But the payroll problems continued. A few months after our interview, the General Accounting Office released a report saying hundreds of soldiers have been wrongly saddled with debt.
The Finance Command has not responded to requests made by ABC News for an update on efforts to fix the payroll problems.
November 10, 2006 | Permalink | User Comments (17)
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God bless our troops. Especially on Veterans Day!!!!
Posted by: mike jones | Nov 10, 2006 3:31:38 PM
We sincerely honor their service, and the service of many others as well. The Defense Dept. should work out a re-payment plan rather than sending threatening letters.
Posted by: Chris Baker | Nov 11, 2006 2:47:06 PM
As a taxpayer, I regret they were overpaid, but let them keep it. Look at the big picture. We spent HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS on this war so far, BILLIONS of which are GONE and no one knows where, (Halliburton does, but they are telling.) The few hundred thousand we overpaid these HEROES is worth it.
Posted by: Hank | Nov 13, 2006 9:16:27 AM
Shaking head...this is truly pathetic. These men (and women) gave America their all, and then are raked over the coals because of accounting problems within the Pentagon! Congress should pass a bill that requires the Pentagon to EAT such payroll over payments. It is not the soldiers duty to figure out the military payroll. You can bet this problem would be fixed FAST if the Pentagon were eating the overages in pay.
Posted by: Porgie Tirebiter | Nov 13, 2006 11:54:47 AM
The phrase penny wise and dollar foolish comes to mind. Spending even one penny of my tax dollars to pursue our war heroes over a few thousand dollars while letting bilions in war profiteering to continue as "the price of war" really infuriates me and most other americans.
Posted by: BooMan | Nov 13, 2006 4:33:40 PM
There are ways to seek relief from overpayments to soldiers. Reference the Department of Defense (DOD) Pay Regulation. Volume 7A Chapter 50 dtd Sep 2006
Read in its context gives relief to an over paid soldier as also to an under paid soldier, referencing Staff Sergeant Eugene Simpson this article. Sergeant Simpson should innate a Congressional Pay Inquiry, and if not resolved, then a direct Presidential Pay Inquiry
I don't care what anyone says, when a soldier has a pay inquiry, he/she has a pay problem. A number of officials can either override the debt or collect at a bare minimum until the debt is resolved.
Many times debt forgiveness can be officially overcome utilizing the waiver process outlined in this publication. All of these avenues are described in the quoted regulation. Read this regulation it will help tremendously.
Posted by: Stephen Turner | Nov 13, 2006 11:52:39 PM
THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT AND AN OUTRAGE!!
Let them keep the darn money!! They were doing their duty when they were injured, I say the heck with it. They ought to get combat pay during their hospital stays anyway.
Another example of our administration and military leaders not caring about the soldiers. How many millions did we overpay Halliburton and the other contractors in Iraq only to let them slide. Yet we hammer these injured vets over a few thousand dollars. It is the military's mistake, let them eat the money. Quit overpaying the contractors and wasting money on unnecessary equipment and you'll easily have enough.
Posted by: Willie Davis | Nov 15, 2006 9:24:00 AM
Nothing ever changes. As a 2nd Lt in the Marines during the Vietnam war I was overpaid. All of a sudden my paychecks stopped coming. When I checked I was told that I would not be paid until all the overpay had been recovered. I received no pay at all for 3 months.
Posted by: Mike | Nov 15, 2006 3:48:34 PM
I think the President should lose a few of his pay checks. He is grossly over paid for the job being done. Let's see how well that goes over.
Posted by: ladydi | Nov 15, 2006 4:24:30 PM
Folks, aa a former Marine in the Reagan years, I can relate to all this, but cant say as I'm all that surprised by it. Write to your congressmen/women and senators. Maybe one of them can go on the floor and give a passionate speech.
Posted by: SAH | Nov 16, 2006 6:35:33 AM
Those Pentagon paymasters have only one thing on their mind - Screw the Troops! First they send them to hurt and die in the "Asses of Evil's" debacle in Iraq, and then they penalize the survivors by f---ing up their pay! Then when they start going to the VA hospital, they dock half of their travel pay which goes back into Pentagon coffers to support Rummies cheap ass war effort! What's wrong with this picture, Congress?
Posted by: WVRedskin | Nov 16, 2006 10:01:21 AM
Let me get this straight: We just closed an oversight office in Iraq (there to prevent overspending by contractors/profiteers) and we pay KBR et al $8.00 to deliver a gallon of gas to our Humvees, yet our troops are being chased down for relatively small-time bucks, all because of clerical mistakes our government payroll folks made? Gimme a break- our troops deserve better.
MGA
Posted by: MGA | Nov 16, 2006 12:24:06 PM
Not a suspicious man until Bush came into office, but just a thought here, a question really:
"Military Payroll services, have they been outsourced to companies such as oh I don't know "Halliburton" by any chance?"
First and foremost, our soldiers deserve our utmost respect and thanks. Those whose decisions led to the mispayments deserve our contempt and critisism. And those who decided to turn soldiers over to debt collectors and ruin their credit deserve to be tarred, feathered, beaten, duck taped to a rail, drug behind a pickup truck in Wyoming during a windstorm in February, and then put in stocks on the courthouse lawn right next to the Ten Commandments so all of us can go by and spit on them!
Posted by: webegeek | Nov 16, 2006 2:58:12 PM
It's not unbelievable that our war wounded would be treated this way. When congress, or the president declare war, they do not give it a second thought to put our military men and woman 'out there'. We used to suppose that the responsible legislator's made sure that our troops were well provided for and paid adequately. It never entered our collective minds that our government would 'sabotage' our troops. But, whenever there has been a war, the military waqs called on and expected to perform bravely. When the war ended, those brave troops were forgotten, along with the broken promises of the government. You can look back on the 'bonus' marchers after World War I. World War II vet's did a little better, but maybe because of a popular General -later president. Then came the Korean War. Of course, those were the patriotic wars, not the political wars of Vietnam and Iraq (Afghanistan is the legitimate, underfunded response to Al-Qaeda). And then there's Haliburton.
What a shameless insult to the American Forces to be subjected to a non-bid public company connected to the person who disgraces the Office of the Vice-President. I'm sure that they are paid combat wages for being the cooks and chauffeurs for the military. I'll bet they are paid a lot better than our fighting men and woman. I'll bet no one takes back any overpayments to them. What a disgrace. Our wounded are even more vunerable to these jackels in our government. They deserve more than they were paid. They should be awarded $100,000 as a bonus, just for participating in George Bush's war. This would be only a fraction of what we've been 'doling' out to the supposed Iraqui goverment. Every man and woman, alive, wounded and deceased should be awarded this bonus (tax free) as a reward for supporting the inflated ego's of our politicians. It would be money well spent. No member of the military should be subjugated to the will of a hapless few inept politicians.
Posted by: Had enough | Nov 17, 2006 8:32:22 AM
The problems at the VA hospitals are one of America's worse kept secret. A society, and government is judged by the treatment of those who served. If this is our future, it does not look good.
Two Veterans, and former VA employees.
Posted by: John Morykwas and Diane King | Jan 11, 2007 10:45:59 PM
I too, am infuriated by our government who treat our veteran's and wounded veterans like trash to be put on the side of the road to be forgotten. Our soldiers past, present and I very sure future, deserve a lot more. I know if the media would keep these type of stories in the front pages and evening news, we as americans would not put up with this crap! How could we encourage our young people to join the military, if our govt. won't give them the pay and services they deserve if they are wounded. We say we respect and support our troops...we need to walk the walk, instead of talk the talk. Let us as Americans stand up for those who have no voice, and tell the Govt. to get over it and leave them alone, have they given enough?
Posted by: Olga Salazar | Jan 24, 2007 12:21:31 PM
Isn't it funny that military never seems to be worried when you're underpaid, missed check, screwed up allotment, bonuses missing, etc... But heaven help you if they overpaid you, it's your fault huh ?
Posted by: SGT Russell, James P. | Feb 22, 2007 2:36:16 PM
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