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why not shoot a few missles at the plants making the IEDs in Iran?

ATTACK IRAN.

Time for another Regime Change. This time we hit the correct target (Iran).

Isn't it time those that use proxy forces on other nations started paying a heavy price

Are these the same "military experts" that claimed Saddam had WMD's?

Ok we're in Iraq for the wrong reasons, however Iran attacking US forces is an act of WAR! ...Where's the presidentialguts to stop Iran? Lets get some economical sanctions going first and move on this issue...oh sorry I forgot getting oil out of Iran is too difficult.

It's no different than us providing Iraq with chemical and other weapons to fight the Iranians, we've made our bed now we have to lie in it. We aren't going to go to war with Iran, and aside from war there is no way to stop it.

How about we bring the troops out of Iraq so Iranian made IED's can't harm them? That's really the only way.

"Today U.S. officials said the presentation of evidence against Iran by U.S. military officials in Iraq would be delayed until next week or possible the week after due to concerns over revealing sensitive intelligence."

Either that, or once again they're trying to cook the books.

"We're not simply going to stand by and let people bring sophisticated IEDs into the country that can disable an Abrams tank, and give them a free pass,".

You wanna bet? What are we going to do? Our fearless leaders have destroyed any credibility we once enjoyed with the rest of the world when we decided to phoney up the evidence to get us into Iraq.

"A very strong warning from the Secretary of Defense"???

Gee, that must have them shaking. Why don't we threaten to send them the Cabinet from the Bush administration (past and present)? That'll make them think twice.

why not send in tomahawk missles into these shops

I agree with the logic that if Iran is supplying the Iraqi insurgency with the weaponry that is used to kill US soldiers, then Iran must be confronted directly by the US. Using that same logic, when the conflict with Iran does occure, if Russia is supplying Iran with the weaponry that is used to kill US soldiers, then Russia must be confronted directly by the US. It seems that the End of Days prophecy is unfolding before our eyes.

IF this is true, then there is no choice but to attack them.

1. While it may be true, I don't believe the "intelligence" anymore. We lost that credibility... Sort of like the boy who cried wolf too many times. I'm sure if the Iranians were fighting in Canada we'd be sending bombs over the border, too. It's not cool, but the only thing to do is get out and let everyone over there figure it out themselves. More US soldiers are going to die, and for what? The Iranian people don't all hate us, but they will fight harder than the Iraqis if we go in there, and we'll really see something hit the fan. Most of us want the war over, and there would be no support to invade or attack Iran...giving them more reason to attack us here and abroad. What a mess.

Unfortunately Iran has us at a disadvantage and they know it. Launching a limited military strike against their border region in retaliation will not slow them down; in fact it will achieve the opposite goal. Invasion is out of the question unless we initiate a general military call-up, and direct this country's entire military and economic might to the defeat of Iran and the destruction of its armed forces (something that SHOULD have been done in Iraq from Day 1, thank you Mr Rumsfeld).

So, what are we prepared to do? Sanctions? Check. Diplomatic and political pressure? Double check. None of these has had any effect thus far. Since we haven't got any other leverage to use against them, what's left?

That's most likely the question that's bouncing around the Pentagon right now. How far are we willing to go? What forms of punishment are we willing to consider, and what forms are "off the table"?

Carpet bomb a bomb making plant...

If it doesn't stop within a week, bomb another one...

...Then take a city.

Terrorists need to be so afraid of retaliation they wouldn't even think of terrorizing us.

So how much did we spend to develop the armour of the Abrams? Now we find out that simple shaped charges (invented in the 1920s) can cut thru them like butter??

I bet that wasn't in the brochure.

Yes, and these are the same idiots that said Saddam had 'thousand of deep underground bunkers', 'missile-capable' UAVs, 'mobile biological laboratories', and 'uranium from Niger'.

DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT? THIS IS FALSE PROPAGANDA AIMED AT GETTING THE UNITED STATES INTO A CONFLICT WITH IRAN!

We need to stand up and DEMAND that this ludicrous cycle STOP. The neo-conservative wackos that have plunged the world into near total chaos must be removed from power. Vote wisely in 2008... your votes in 2006 were only part of what we need for peace.

In the Middle East an insurgency supplied and supported by a country or countries has never lost. Look at what the U.S. did to the Russians in Afghanistan. For the U.S. to win in Iraq, congress and the President must stop referring to this as the Iraq conflict but understand it is a regional conflict. Iraq will never become an independent stable Government unless the U.S. can stop other nations from supporting the opposition.

Yes, let's attack Iran.

That way, when we get our hat handed to us like in Iraq perhaps we can start acting like a civilized nation.

""We're not simply going to stand by and let people bring sophisticated IEDs into the country that can disable an Abrams tank, and give them a free pass," said Gates."

Why don't the war mongering idiots build Abrams tanks that can actually withstand shrapnel. I mean, isn't this the purpose of a TANK?

Keep in mind that anyone who supports those in conflict with arms is either doing it for the money or self preservation. It's obvious to me that Iran is doing it for both. Unless we mend our ties with that nation we will always be seen as a threat. Also remember like many nations out there looking to make a buck, America has its sordid history here with arms support as well.

I dunno spunky. "Taking" a city would thrill the terrorists.

I doubt you can terrorize the terrorists into submission, Israel has not had good luck doing that.

I am seeing such ridiculous posts I am starting to think I've landed in a nest of trolls.

"A missle to Tehran"?!

Wow.

The Iranians can knock out shipping in the Gulf with a minimal amount of weaponary.

I am astounded by this aggressive talk when we have LOST in Iraq, and Iran is 3x bigger and much more capable.

Don't forget we DID fight Iran thru an Iraq Proxy, and lil' old Iran fought Iraq to a standstill even with all our help.

Wise up people.

Can we all just agree that the USA is not "nuking" or "carpet bombing" Iranian cities O.K. This isn't 8th grade lunch room where you think the USA can simply flex and countries will feign in fright. This is reality where our generals and mighty military are being routed, humiliated, and beaten by pseudo-militias and crazed terrorists and simple improvised explosive devices and car bombs.

Northen Ireland has taken over four decades to stabalize, Iraq will take four centuries. Getting into a war with Iran is not in the cards right now, the US has zero hand.

So what exactly from this picture says this device was made in, or originated in Iran?? Anything at all? Or is this more Bush admin Intel?

Eric, I can tell that Oliver Stone movies appeal to you, but such conspiracy theory nonsense flies in the face of all good sense. Why would our military or our government "want" to get into another war, when we don't have the manpower to finish the ones we're in? Why would we set up conditions just to give ourselves an excuse to start another one? We don't NEED any excuses mister; if we want to go, we just go. Period.

As for those other things, you just don't get it do you. You're saying we knew IN ADVANCE that we would find nothing in Iraq, but went in anyway. Is that correct? Where is your evidence? Because by my recollection, we weren't sure WHAT we would find and we didn't really trust ANY of the info we had. In the American system of justice, if you make an accusation then the burden of proof is on you. So out with it.

Where, besides anti-government conspiracy blogs, is all this evidence that proves we already knew what Saddam did or didn't have? Keep in mind that if we DID know we would find nothing, we would also know that the truth would eventually come out, and people would know they had been duped. If that's the case, why was the inspection process we instituted once we were in there so open and public? If what you say is true, don't you think we would employ the same secrecy and stalling tactics that Saddam had used, to prevent the real facts about the WMD's from ever coming to light?

Yes, Iran needs to be punished! But Bush and his cronies have screwed us up - we are in the wrong war with our forces stretched too thin.

Couple of other points - these experts we have, didn't they say Iraq has WMD? Why should I believe them now?

We (the US) have provided arms and training to many nations/groups in the past that we were in agreement with. These arms have caused much damage and deaths to our opponents. What makes this different from what is happening now? We can do this these tactics while other countries cannot? Not sure I agree with this double-standard.

Should be - everybody out of other people's business. This includes the US out of Iraq!

All of you have the flaws that are making the U.S. degrade. You People: "No, I dont want to do this because this political party says or has done this wrong. I follow , whether they're both blind or controlling."

You people are all lemmings. Enjoy walking off that cliff arguing this party's views against the other party's views when you hit the ground.

I have no doubt that IRAN is behind the most recent devastating bombings against our troops. We had better put a stop to IRAN or we will pay a bigger price down the road. Personally I don't want to see the war on Terror fought on US soil. Hit the ones responsible.

This is nothing more than Iraq done over again, for the ultra stupid.

This technology, for those who are ignorant, is decades old and has proliferated throughout the world. Insurgency groups worldwide have access to this form of simple formed projectiles. It was inadvertantly leaked long time ago by the brits to the IRA as part of a sting gone bad. IRA has shared it with their friends and they shared it with their friends...

If the administration can explain and demonstrate that these simple devices that can be made in any machine shop are made in Iran and are deliverd into Iraq with the knowledge of the Iranian government, then lets see it. The "trust me" bit has worn thin as of late.

My guess is they don't have any evidence and it is highly unlikely that Iran is arming Sunnis who are killing the Iranian backed Iraqi shia.

But don't worry. There is enough fools out there who will foam at the mouth and demand an immediate attack on Iran anyway. And reporters who can't really distinguish anything they are writing about will be part of that proccess.

Let's Leave NOW

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So how much did we spend to develop the armour of the Abrams? Now we find out that simple shaped charges (invented in the 1920s) can cut thru them like butter??
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Umm, the M-1 Abrams tank design is 30 years old folks. They started to entered service in 1980 and were designed in the late 1970's.

The first weapons ever designed that were able to defeat the armor on the 30 year old beasts did not come into service until the late 1990's. The US suffered 0 losses in Gulf War I, but we saw the loss of several in Iraq.

These aren't 'simple shaped charges' that are being employed. These are sophisticated weapons utilizing the latest in explosive technologies to create a metal plasma that can burn through the top-secret Chobham amour system of an M-1. They can only be built by nation-states with sophisticated industrial capacity - such as Iran, the US, Russia, France, etc.

Iran has always been the target, Iraq was just a means to get there and a potential supply dump and staging site.
With Iran being the second largest oil producer in the middle east who but the largest, Saudi Arabia, has the most to gain by having that country invaded, occupied and dismantled a la Iraq in yet another war by proxy??
And c'mon, a little following the Bush money over the years will show you that the Saudis have gone to great lengths to buy not one, but two US presidents over the last few decades.
Is securing all the oil rights in the middle east and eliminating their one possible threat too much for them to ask for their hard spent investment?

It is surprising to see so many comments showing that the American people have learned nothing - nothing at all after four years in Iraq. The only sensible comment I saw was:

"How about we bring the troops out of Iraq so Iranian made IED's can't harm them? That's really the only way."
Posted by: Mike D

What are you blood thirsty people thinking?!

As long as the World needs OIL the Middle East will be a mess.

Let's be serious about investing in new energy sources.

You guys that want to drag Iran into this.... well... be forewarned...

1. You will inspire every extremist muslim to do more damage than in 9/11

2. You will turn a MODERATE Iranian people AGAINST US.. 65% of Iranians are unders 30 and are pro-west and are turning against their president,

3. Be prepared to unleash economic chaos into the world

4. Get ready to bring back the draft

U.S. Out of IRAQ NOW... This is abominable...
Nothing good can come out of an invasion built on a falsehood.

From an American who does think his country is the best place to live, and in fact lives in the northeast, is college educated, and working on a masters...

We're talking about the underside of an Abrams tank, people. Considering that it was considered unstoppable for its entire service life up until now, and eviscerated the Iraqi armored forces twice in less than 15 years, I'd say it's been worth its weight in gold. We will adapt. Look at the Humvees now, some of them look like battleships on wheels.

Please...before you make simple and snide comments like:

"Why don't the war mongering idiots build Abrams tanks that can actually withstand shrapnel"

and

"So how much did we spend to develop the armour of the Abrams? Now we find out that simple shaped charges (invented in the 1920s) can cut thru them like butter??"

Do some research first, and think before talking (or typing, in this case).

Wow! Essentially we are talking about being a terrorist nation to stop another terrorist nation. Don't you think people in the middle-east think of us as terrorists? Does anyone wanna stop and think about what terrorism means?
Gandhi said: Violence begets violence
A gun in your hand doesn't mean you have to shoot it at everyone.

Hey folks its about the money! So far 500 billion dollars. Do you think they (washington crowd) are going to let this war stop when they are making that kind of money. No way! If they can, they will expand the conflict into Iran so that they can make billions of dollars more! Only one thing will stop these leaches and that is to impeach Bush and then prosecute the rest of the gang of money vampires.

copper will not go thru armor plate, that is BS, again, the media, trying to be experts on everything

Build a wall/land mine the Iraq/Iran border similar to how Israel built a wall accross Lebanon. INSTANTLY stopping the Terrorists from Homicide Bombing School Buses. Oh by the way last I recall didn't EVERY country beleive that IRAQ had WMD's not just the US yet the US is the ONLY country given a hard time for doing something about it? Iraq was a Secular country. Iran is not there is a difference. Last I heard Afghanistan's mullah's are living in caves in Pakistan not blowing up Hindu Ancient Antiquities so I think we are doing something. As for leaving Iraq why we have not reached the level of ONE battle in WW2 of casualties we ARE AT WAR not just fooling around. I would still rather have Marines in Iraq armed and ready for battle versus National Guard troops in LA and San Diego hoping they dont get killed by terrorists here.

Considering the artfully and thoroughly constructed lies that were crafted to get the US into the war, and also considering the war drums the Administration has been beating, re. Iran, I would personally not believe anything the government or new media said about the source of those EFDs unless Ahmadinejad personally claimed responsibility.

This country's leaders surely must pass required courses on bold-faced lying in order to qualify for office.

If we bomb Iran this will just give Cheney an opportunity to award another fat NO BID contract to rebuild Iran with tax payers dollars !

I am Iraniam and I think most of these comments are great. But are you anytime think that more than 70 million people live in Iran and most of them don't like war? Killing them is not matter? I say we can not judge simply for others life. I think this is core of democracy.

Time to pack my bags and leave Iraq. Only to replace it with Bush & clowns. Especially since he is so "irrelevant" now days. Maybe he'll have companions with all the brainless Republican congressmen in Iraq!

I have an idea for all you anti-war/ anti-American people that doesnt have a clue what you are talking about. YOU go out from behind the protected borders of your country and go over there and try to talk to the people that want to kill you. Let me know how it turns out...

This is the best country. I have seen what the rest of the world has to offer and this is the by far the best, and if you don't think so LEAVE.

About the shaped charged IEDs, well take one to an Iowa Class Battleship with all its armor, and when it goes through it, design something that it will not.

So in the mean time what you can do, because I know that you are not going to go over there your self, or design the next generation of armor, go out find a Solider, Sailor, Marine, Airman, or Coastguardman give your gratitude (because they are the ones that are keeping the war over there and not here) and support them and their mission.

First of all the U.S.'s weapons of mass destruction are in GERMANY. Why doesn't the American public know anything about that? Go ask someone in Germany. If you want to go ahead with your hypocritical and ill-logical point of view that Iran needs to be targeted next. Then 1)you need to be more educated on how countries affect each other 2) Seek other sources outside of the U.S. media and 3) and intellectually challenge the government instead of always complying.

Most of you folks commenting on this website are feeble-minded lemmings. The decisions have already been made. The war is on and it is spreading. Do you really think that your comments on this website have any effect on anything? 9/11 changed everything and whether you lefties like it or not the problems we face now WILL NOT be resolved in 2008, let alone 2028. Wake up America, the war is on and it is now.

Come on guys. We're all Americans here. I may be a patriot, but for me patriotism is more a matter of necessity than pride. America is my home. There are some things about the people and the system that annoy me, my government does/has done things of which I am not very proud, and we should all remember that our ancestors also did unsavory things that gave us the nation we have today. In spite of those shortcomings, I don't want to see the whole place burnt to the ground. Hopefully none of you do either.

What I want to see happen is for our government to do things that advance our national interest and preserve the Republic. That's all I'm about. If we can work out a backroom deal to make things right with the world I'm all for it. If, on the other hand, we have to destroy a couple of not-so-nice countries in order to make world and ourselves better off, so be it.

This is exactly the sort of thing any non-idiot president would have forseen going on in the years after invading Iraq. We have known all along Iran was Iraq's neighbor and would do whatever they could to cause us trouble. Is there any person with half a brain that did not think Iran would funnel weapons and combatants into Iraq if we invaded? DUH!

Support the troops by bringing them home.

Go see what retired General Odom had to say abbout Iraq about one and one-half years ago. It hasn't gotten better since then, and won't.

You people keep talking about bring the troops home from Iraq, well news flash, it's too late. you bring them home now and the next thing you'll be saying why are we being attacked again, and dont' think it's not going to happen, you people think you have an answer for every thing, blame this party, that party, grow up and take a look around you, the world has changed.

Pls you Americans isnt one or two wars enough for Bush?

Please excuse me, but what are we doing meddling in the Middle East anyway? Iraq and Iran did NOT do 9/11. If we invade their countries and upset their economies, could not we expect them to defend THEIR interests. Could we in the west just mind our own business, rather than minding theirs? We lied our way into Iraq, and now we are in the mess we made.

This is an act of war towards the United States. That is if we can prove for sure the government of Iran is involved. I agree with most people on this we have no choice but to attack . Lets not hurry and jump into conclusions. PROOF is what we need first!

The only way to stop the war is for us to get out of Iraq. We have no business there. Too many innocent people are being killed as a result of our presence. It may not take much longer before Russia starts to provide arms to the insurgents to even the Afganhistan score.

Well to you the truth, this is a probably this is another excuse from bush to go into ware again and take out the strongest Middle Eastern country. Or simply for the Oil...also this is a good sign for the United States to pull out, not get involved in another war!!!

keep it up Iran, keep it up. Don't think for a second that we will forget what you are doing to our boys and girls. Keep it up, the lesson will be harsh, be it today or tomorrow.

War is war. There is no such thing as a limited war.We either go all the way and conquer our enemies, or suffer defeat. Eventually, as with all previous civilizations, we will realize this.

It's a copper bowl.

Iraq is not lost, nor is a take-over of Iran only wishful thinking, however, such a take-over would not serve our interests. Iran is just trying to get noticed, to have the respect of being a regional power. We could use this to our advantage, but the Bush administration has failed to use diplomacy to advance our strategic goals.

The war in Iraq has created a significant division in Islam that leaves many opportunities for playing one side against the other. While this situation has created support for local terrorism in Iraq, it has also reminded many Muslims how much they hate each other sects of Islam (maybe as much as they hate Christians and Jews). This, of course, leaves pax americana with the option of dividing and conquer yet again...

There will always be an unending supply of ignorant citizens who believe Bush's claims. ABC takes what Bush says and repeats it as if it's fact - You would think that the last six years of the Bush administration's lies had never happened.

Bush and Cheney and neocons have hijacked American foreign policy, taking us into deeper into total assured destruction with any number of nations around the world. Mainstream media (and ABC is very close to the Bush administration) fails to educate and inform Americans on every front - from the history of how we created this nightmare in the first place, to the facts about what corporate-rule (fascism) is doing to people around the world to cause hopelessness and hate.

There is nothing that could come out of the Bush administration or corporate media that could convince me that they are telling the truth. Their intention these past six years has been to create chaos and hysteria, paralyzing fear, so that Americans relinquish all freedoms and rights. Where has ABC been these last years, holding Bush to account for his complete and total failure to secure the nation?

Turn off corporate media and go find alternative media. Alternative media will inform you of what is factually known, and wake up your ability to think and reason - don't just take the mediocre-talented communications' majors who call themselves "journalists" word on a story that has been fed to them by "authorities."

Foreign Policy 101 is simple, nations act in their self interest (well, they usually do). What did we expect? Another example of the Bush administration not having the foresight to see that Iran would have a vested interest in what happens in Iraq. If Venezuala invaded Mexico, I am sure we would intervene. I am not justifying Iran's action, but seeing it for what it is.

This administration created the conditions that led to this situation. To brush this off with, "Its time to move on" is to ignore the fact that the very same incompetent ideologes are still holding the reigns of power refusing to admit their previous mistakes. A war with Iran while perhaps justified though the lens of their intervention in Iraqi gives me chills that are not of this earth. An Iranian War has implications that would make Iraqi look like a picnic.

God help us all.

Unacceptable - the weapons need to A)Stop being made, or B)We need to stop them from being sold.

God Bless President Bush & U.S.
I pray that God gives the president wisdom to manage the current situation & if military action is required against Iran then he should go for it.

I find it interesting to read all the postings that refer to this country as bad, repressive, un-intelligent, etc; but I wonder how many of these individuals have ever left this country, or for that matter their state. I can tell you after 23 years in the Naval service of this nation I have been to these "other" places and I can confidently state that this is still the best country in the world. We have our problems, but for me I will gladly stay here and let the rest of you go to these "better nations". And if you're wondering, Yes - I have spent time in the middle east and the best part of being there, was leaving.....

NBC NEWS confirms a secret U.S. military report that says 'Iranian Agents' may be behind a deadly ambush in Karbala, Iraq that left five American soldiers dead. The report also claims the Iranian revolutionary guard is providing intelligence on U.S. and Iraqi military to Shiite extremists, in addition to sophisticated weaponry. Developing...

What a load of propaganda!
Who supplied Iran with these weapons?

This is sounding more and more like the drumming of war for Iraq.

Not buying it.

We are in this position which could have easily been forseen due to the negligence of Bush-Cheney and their perpetual war foreign policy. We lose limbs of soldiers; their friends make money-jim cramer mad money almost. So easy to figure this out. Yes, hit Iran munitions plants first. I am not a wus just cause I see this could have been prevented. We have to hit them with the USS Stennis and the Eisenhower unless they agree to back off. We are in a good position to negotiate with those ACarriers of Iran's coast. Use Russia as the go between. They do communicate at least.

With all the smart people we have in this country we should be able to figure out a way to beat these IEDs. Also, Rick was absolutely right about the fanatical religious extremists. We must make it clear to any governments that harbor terrorists that we will take whatever measures are necessary to defend the US. Bush has said that many times, but I don't think some governments really believe that we will do what we say. Even Saddam didn't think we'd attack him.
We especially need to reach out to all moderates and try much harder to resolve the Israel and Palestinian conflict through negotiation. We need a massive effort to get off our oil addiction.
In Iraq, if we're going to fix the mess that Bush created we've got to do it right. If we don't fix the mess it will most certainly come back and bite us later. Twenty thousand troops might not be enough. Sen. Joe Biden said we may need over one hundred thousand to really finish the job correctly and quickly. I did not vote for Bush and I think he's made many mistakes. But he is certainly correct about the consequences of a lawless Iraq torn by civil war. We the people in the US have got to use our common sense and both parties have to work together. Common sense tells us if you put a lot of police on the street, crime goes down. It worked in my hometown of NYC (no I didn't vote for Rudy either!), it should work in Iraq. It worked for Saddam. As the Iraqi police and military get stronger, we can start bringing our soldiers home.
As for Iran, they need to be told by us in no uncertain terms - stop developing the nukes now or you will be attacked. Stop supporting insurgents in Iraq or you will be attacked - end of story. If they are willing to stop, and, recognize Israel's right to exist, we can offer money, free trade, economic development etc. If they want to fight, then we will fight. Unfortunately, the moderate Iranians seem to have little say in the policy at present. I don't understand why Bush would say we're not going to attack Iran. If they are close to developing a nuke, we have no choice but to take out their nuclear bomb manufacturing sites. The Iranian government, through it's statements and actions, has shown itself to be incapable of handling nuclear technology in a responsible and peaceful manner. Does anybody think that "I'm a dinner jacket" (Ahmadinejad) wouldn't use a nuke on Israel or give a couple to some terrorists to use on New York if he had them. Anybody who could make such horrible statements about an entire race of people is a monster. The man is clearly a fanatical nutcase. We simply can't allow him to have nuclear weapons. We made a mistake with Hitler. Let's not repeat it. No, I'm not Jewish!
If the Iranian government doesn't come to its senses, the result will be terrible and tragic. Lets make our government come to its senses and try to solve these problems in a bi-partisan way. After all, the government is us.

i'll leave all the political retoric to the experts. i can say for certianty that iran is exporting the equipment and supplies for efp's. when i can read "iranian military" on the det cord, or the color of the cord is the same as the iranian military uses i would have to say it's comming from there. the efp's are by far the worst type ied in theater.

Last comment said it all. Smart bombs. Identify the buildings and take it out. Since they use the denial to cover what they are doing we should zap their facilities and deny we did it. Two way street and we need to protect our troops anyway we can. Had the same problem in Nam the North used Cambodia and Laos to launch attacks then run back over the border. Cost us a lot until we started to bomb their 'sanctuaries'.

I think that we've done a good job in Iraq and the free and fair elections reflect well upon us as a nation. That there are those opposed to the result is not even remotely surprising. The public expects too much, too quickly. It's a good thing that the United States is not governed by such irresponsible people as the voices on this forum.

How do we know this is not another false flag operation by our dear,loyal,trusted ally (who would never engage in espionage against the USA) Israel?

Stop thinking small and start thinking big, strategic planning puts us in an advantage over Iran, if you look at it, we have air bases in Iraq, Afghanistan and we can deploy them from carriers in the gulf. And then they got Russia to their north. That's why Iran doesn't want us to succeed, because they are surrounded. Dick Cheney wrote about this back when he was the SECDEF, just go back a little.

It would be interesting to see how the United States conducts a war against Iran. Persians are a bit more adept at fighting than the average Arab. Trouble is we simply don't have the manpower to fight these folks. Sure we can launch missiles, but Iran is a whole lot bigger than Iraq and they have had a lot of time to prepare for us. In addition, I think you would find the Russians and Chinese covertly, but actively supporting Iran with arms and intelligence. The Iranians aren't stupid, they know what to expect from us.

Lets look at this differently people why not jus tuse some of are stellites and track shipments from these factories. Lets just cut the supply line once it enters Iraq. Isn't that what we should have been doing for some time. If Iran is crossing into Iraq to deliver then they do so at there own risk. if not then Iran should have nothing to say about it. If we make visiting those factories and entering Iraq a death sentence via the airforce then that should slow or stop it.

oh, God, so many rubbish want to support their great、wise President to
take another Iraq war,

War with iran is growing inevitable...I fear that iran's armed forces will soon try to invade iraq. We need to get our troops out of iraq ASAP. If we go to war with them nothing good could come of it. I know that we would win of course and regime change would be set up but i believe that we would just have another iraq to tend too for years down the road and i seriously doubt that the iranian ppl would change. The longer we linger around in iraq means the more of our troops that have too die and the longer we are giving the muslims exactly what they want....too kill american soldiers.

Does B52's ring a bell, and I do not mean the music group.

It worked for Germany, it worked for Japan, why not stick with success and let the street fighting remain in West Side Story!

Boom,U gone!

What are we doing in Iraq, anyway? Why are we whining about Iran's activity in the area? I mean when Russia, was in Afghanistan, we armed the opposition. We always arm the opposition. That's what nations do. Get out of Iraq! leave those folk alone!

Iran is an enemy who want to wipe America off the face of the earth so when with the liberal democrats "get it". Peace is not the answer with radical Islamic militants. If all of America stand up we can win.

The overwhelming majority of attacks (something around 99%) on US forces are done in Sunni areas by Sunni forces. I find it odd to believe that the Iranians, who are allied with most of the parties currently running the Iraqi government, would supply their enemies (the Sunnis) with weapons that could be used against their own allies.

I'll wait and SEE what the evidence is before I pile on with the dittoheads. We've been down this road before and last time we were burned by exaggerated and faulty intelligence.

"It's a copper bowl.

Posted by: sean"

That's the most pithy comment here.

Now you know why we have to have a large nuclear arsenal. BOMBS AWAY!

If I hear one more halfwit use the Jumanji defense about staying in Iraq I'm going to lose it. We don't have to "finish" once we start playing.

There's four factions in Iraq fighting 1. Sunni 2. Shia 3. foreign fighters 4. US INT forces. ALL of them aside from the US forces HATE America and DON'T want a Democracy, how do you tards think we're going to get a stable Democracy formed?

The best way to save the troops from these IED's is to pull them out, throw them a parade and call it a day...

For all the brave warriors who advocate the use of B 52s and missiles either join up or go back to playing dungeons and dragons.

Throw some more unproven facts about Iran to the American public, they'll believe almost anything there Fascist Goverment tells them. NYNY your an idiot. Just remember the more countries you Yanks terrorize, the more the world will hate you.This is almost laughable, the USA's biggest export is military arms and equipment, your entire economy would collapse if the war ended tommorow, so the USA needs more enemies and more wars, whats a few soldiers lives to keep the economy going.

Reading these posts I have to say that P.T. Barnum was so right. The 30% who still support the Chimperor must have a severe case of Attention Deficit Disorder. Haven't you learned anything in the last 6 years as to how this outfit of craven liars and treasonous war profiteers operate? It was patently obvious to me PRIOR to the Iraq invasion that the war was a last gasp effort to stave off the coming economic collapse by fattening the portfolios of the Military Industrial Congressional Complex, as well as a easy way to grab raw materials and oil.

Look around you. Our industrial base is disappearing at an accelerating rate. The middle and lower classes are being squeezed out of existence. The global neo-feudal elite that own Cheney and Bush know that their system is bankrupt and on the edge of collapse. They are using American power to create a world financial dictatorship for themselves, and they will use the United States and throw it away like a soiled Kleenex when it has served it's purpose.

I love this country as much as you unthinking Bush supporters believe you do (and yes, I have traveled the world. I know this is the best country on earth, because of our constitution). The difference is that I can see that Bush is being used as a means to destroy my country.

why can't there be an "ACCIDENT" at these Iran factories that churn out these IED's Like, BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!! And the special ops forces did their jobs.....

so the MSM puts out a few bogus stories like this and you people are foaming at the mouth for another war. whew. well, I think you're going to get your with. if we attack iran you can kiss the world as you know it goodbye.

Sucks to be an empire.
Sucks to start and lose a war.
Sucks to rape your bill of rights.
The US is a nation of arrogant losers.

Here we go again! They are beating the drums again for a totally unjustified war with a different target (Iran) and the technically CLUELESS mainstream media government mouthpiece is falling right in line yet again. Haven't you guys heard of "investigative journalism." Yes, I know, that actually costs money while reprinting a government press release doesn't.

About a year ago there was a PowerPoint presentation circulating among military and and ex-military personnel (like me) detailing in photos and text an explosively formed projectile (EFP) workshop found in >Iraq<. The very crude workshop was in car repair garage. Folks, these devices are dirt SIMPLE to make and in no way shape or form NEED to be produced in Iran. The concept is sophisticated, their production ISN'T.

So Iran is arming both Sunnis and Shias against us?

Isn't that the whole country, if you count out the more peaceful Kurdish areas?

That seems to indicate that, and polls of Iraqi citizens support this, that nobody in Iraq wants us there, and they all consider us legitimate targets.

This begs the question, what exactly are we doing in Iraq, propping up a government whose supporters bomb us alongside their enemies?

"This is the best country. I have seen what the rest of the world has to offer and this is the by far the best, and if you don't think so LEAVE."

Wouldn't that sort of talk leave us a British Colony in the first place?

I think our founding fathers didn't like their country, and THANK GOD they didn't leave.

They changed it.

"We're talking about the...Abrams tank, people. Considering that it was considered unstoppable for its entire service life up until now, and eviscerated the Iraqi armored forces twice in less than 15 years.."

Would that be the same Iraqi Armed Forces and same 15 years that they were embargoed and bomb continually by us?

We spend around $1,000,000,000,000 per year on the military (yes I know the published budget is half that. It is short by at least 50%).

So we damn well better have "eviscerated" the decrepit forces we faces.

I guess I just expected more for the insane, unsustainable amount of cash we waste on the military.

"...The very crude workshop was in car repair garage..."

Great point Bill.

I have always wondered why we felt the need to attack a country that is too stupid and backwards to even be able to produce shaped charges. (and then we lose it, no less!)

They are so dangerous we must invade right NOW, but some of their most basic weapons they must import from Iran.

Wow. That is amazing "logic".

"why can't there be an "ACCIDENT" at these Iran factories that churn out these IED's Like, BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!! And the special ops forces did their jobs....."

I dunno Carl, America supplies the world with weapons, even Iran.

Are you sure those factories aren't in Kentucky?

Please note that some important content in my last post was edited out for some reason. I obviously won't repeat it here to be edited out again.

And, one important point I forgot to mention was that the Powerpoint report that I mentioned WAS NOT classified material in any way. One needs to make such qualifications in this now paranoid society.

Finally, lest anyone believe that this is "new" technology requiring classified and highly technical information to produce, I suggest you go to Google and do a search for "explosively formed projectile." I got 962 hits including patents, PDF reports, Wikipedia entries, etc.

So, like a certain TV investigative reporter would say, "Give me a break!"

The only conclusion that can be made is that there is no hard evidence and anybody can say whatever they want.

Another exuse, another lie and deception the same as WMD etc etc. in preparation for the impending attack on Iran and expansion of the Middle East war now that Bush is loosing his criminal war in Iarq. History repeating itself and fodder for the gullible, the naive the uncritical mind.

Enough with the "we're the best" argument to justify this war effort or to rattle sabres against Iran.
We are not number one in education, care for the elderly, available medical care, personal freedoms, national productivity, highways or tangible returns for our tax dollars.
Shouts of "we're the best" can be silenced with a quick Google for international figures on any of these subjects and a host of others.
In our rush to stop Iran from interferring in Iraq, perhaps we should ask just what we've been doing over there for the last several years since the regime change which was our stated mission based on false evidence to begin with.

The article say the sunnis are killing the most americans. Shouldn't we be attacking Saudi Arabia?
The foreign fighters aren't coming from Iran. They're coming from all the countries we call friends.

Something's all wrong here.They have "proof" that Iran is attacking US forces, but they're going to hold off on presenting the evidence for a week or two? How many more soldiers are going to die in the meantime?
"OK, we're in Iraq for the wrong reasons, but Iran attacking us is an of WAR!" WHAT? That's like saying "We invaded and killed thousands of Iraqis by accident,but Iran is attacking us on purpose!"Once again,an excuse is made for behavior that , if someone else did it, we'd be condemning them for it.
Finally-if Iran can make IED-type bombs that can penetrate all the armor we have-do we want to pick a fight with them? What are their REAL weapons going to do?

This war started in 1982 with the IRANIANS taking over the US embasy in Tehran, The US did nothing. It continued in Beirut and killed 283 Marines Soldiers and sailors, The US did nothing. The terrorists blew up the Kobar towers, The US did nothing. They attacked the US Cole, The US did nothing. They killed our troops who were trying to feed the starving Somali people. the US did nothing. The US finaly does something about terrorism in the world by focussing them in one place in Iraq where we can hold and hammer them and everyone wants us out? Why? so we can continue with "the US did nothing" strategy which has not worked? If you want to do something about this war ask the Iranians, Saudi's, Kuwaiti's,etc where their support is for the world? Where was their money for the Tsunami victims in Muslim countries? Why didn't they do something about Somalia, and Chechnya, and the Balkans, instead of expecting the US to do it all so they can attack us later? I say stop ALL Funding to ALL countries for 5 years. Redirect the money into developing technology so we can tell the Saudi's, Kuwaiti, Iranians to pound sand as we dont want or need their oil then see what happens!

"Iran continues to provide more tactical training, according to explosive experts working with the U.S. military".

Well now the US knows what the Iranians felt like when the US helped Iraq fight the Iranians by supplying them with training and international BANNED weapons, or should i say WMD.? this is freaking stupid to suggest that the US Gov't is innocent, because of what the US military did years ago.

Since when does Judith Miller work for ABC?

Gotta go with Shottz on this one.
America can't interfer and arm Iraq against Iran one minute then complain about Iran playing turn about in the next.
That's what "instant karma" is all about. It isn't just a Lennon song!
Just get our people out of there and stop blaming everyone except the yahoos that put them over there in the Keystone Cop situation they're in.
Sure, our leadership created the power vacuum going on over there today by removing a workable regime without considering opposing advice, conventional wisdom and the obvious consequences...but that damage already being done....it's not our war.
Let's bring em' home before one more dies or gets maimed.

Shaped charges are also essential to the oil industry. Ahmed Chalabi complained that the US wasn't letting the oil ministry import them. They are necessary to open the linings of oil wells and breaking up the rock around them.
Iran produces oil services shaped charges. in fact one company that does oil services workin both Iran and Iraq is Halliburton, who may well source charges from Iranian producers. In any case the oil ministry is controlled by a known associate of the Shiite militias and needs shaped charges. Also to this point, the Marines operating in Sunni areas haven't been faced with these charges- they are used in SHiite areas, connected to oil ministry. which probably aren't that hard to come by out there.

Keep in mind these charges (according to the website of a Canadian maker) can penetrate up to 50 inches of steel concrete and rock. You just can't make a tank to stop that. It is a political problem, which requires we work with Iran, and our Iraqi "partners"to solve.

The Iranian government has very little interest in destabilizing their allies in Iraq (except maybe to keep oil prices up.) Bombing Iran would accomplish nothing except drive people into the arms of Ahmadinijad who's recently lost massively in local election. A US strike is his main hope of staying powerful.

Finally, Iran could easily wipe out Saudi refineries in retaliation for a US attack. Not to mention hit our bases in Iraq and the gulf, not to mention sink pretty much every ship in the gulf. Any of those is sufficient to negate any gain- even if we did interrupt the delivery of these shaped charges.

I can understand that many people blamed President Bush for attacking Saddam Hussein and finding out that Saddam did not have WMD's, but we have been getting alot of surprises out of this guy, who went off trying to attack Iran and loses. Next he turns around to attack Kuwait and lost again because we protected Kuwait. This time, we learned that Saddam gassed alot of villagers in Iraq back in 1982 which we didn't know about. Who in the right mind would gas alot of innocent people like that? There were alot of terrible incidents that Saddam Hussein had caused. With that in mind, I'd have to say President Bush took the right steps into attacking Iraq because of what Saddam Hussein had done. So now, we've got Iran supplying EFP's straight out of Iran's weapons plant killing our troops. The Iran ruler denies that he is supplying these weapons into Iraq? I find that impossible because he is basically controlling the weapons plant. When he says that he denies supplying weapons into Iraq, is possibly lying. All it takes is for our troops and analysts to gather up more proof and evidences through investigations to prove that the Iran ruler is doing this to attack our troops, then the consideration should be taken to begin attacking Iran only by destroying the weapons plant and overthrow the ruler.