Wayne has a cool sight- too bad he wasn't in the classroom at the time he could have saved alot of students.

Give us a break Brian!! Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting college kids be allowed to carry concealed firearms on campus? Surely not. Maybe, there is a very slight possibility that this particular killer could have been stopped sooner but not likely. But, I can guarantee you, 100%, that if college kids across this country were carrying guns at school, there would be a WHOLE lot more people killed in a year than in this incident. I can't think of a worse group of people to have walking around armed with guns than teenagers in college, many of whom are very immature to begin with, many of whom are under enormous stress from college demands, many of whom are emotional wrecks as a result of their love life problems. Geesh. I can't believe anyone would seriously suggest what you suggested.

I dont think any students should carry any fire arms on campus thats how alot of problems get started anyway people of all races or sex should just learn how to get along we all live in the world together why not make the best of it.

It *is* a great site! He's got some neat toys.

The thing is, he really couldn't save anybody even if he was in the classroom, Brian. VA Tech prohibits the otherwise lawful concealed carry of firearms for defensive purposes on their campus - which would unfortunately include our friend Wayne. It's a policy that would have been forcefully changed LAST YEAR, but the assembly bill died in committee - much to the relief of at least one VA Tech administrator who felt that students would feel safer with a gun ban in place on campus.

I guess our shooter didn't think very highly of the law, or school policy. Students did however, and their noble obedience to it made a gunman's life much easier. You never hear of mass shootings at gun stores, or police stations. Funny, that.

The gun free zone just played into the criminals plans. Nobody could defend themself, just what that spineless creep wanted. Too bad the powers that be put all the students at risk. Please let everyone defend themselves. The criminals will not attack if they know their victims might fight back. The police can not be everywhere to protect us, we need to protect ourselves. Criminals are afraid of citizens who can protect themselves. Criminals are emboldened when they think they have the upper hand. Innocent people are hurt by our knee-jerk laws.

Funny how a policy or a sign "Gun Free Zone" is not obeyed by the bad guys.

The idea that more gun laws would have prevented this is pure ignorance. It's ashamed that if some of those students and teachers, (most of them adults, not teenagers) could have defended themselves a lot of lives could have been saved today.

Remarkable how many people believe more gun laws are somehow going to be obeyed by the bad guys in the future.

If only the news would report the result of gun bans in England and Australia

"Give us a break Brian!! Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting college kids be allowed to carry concealed firearms on campus?" -David

They're NOT kids, they're adults. With the right to self protection!

Todays awful tragedy is the result of people like yourself imposing your fears upon others who possess more personal responsibility than you will ever attain.

You are right David. Better to be sheep to the slaughter. By the way, aren't guns already banned on campus? And yet somehow murderers and criminals somehow seem to get them on there.

if 18 and 20 somethings can't be trusted with firearms than they shouldn't be allowed to purchase explosive materials like gasoline

according to some a car tank full of gas is the equiv of three stick of dynamite

ban compulsory government schools
keep the guns

If you mention to someone that you are thinking of carrying a gun, you are likely to be told that it will make you less safe because the attacker will simply take it away and use it against you.

If that's so easy to do, why didn't any of the students do that to the attacker -- i.e., take his gun away and use it against him????

I'm going to have to agree with David on this. I'm currently a college student myself and I've seen enough drunk brawls that could have ended so much worse than they did if firearms were involved. Personally, I don't want to live in a world where people are encouraged to carry guns for their own safety, I don't think I would even have the courage to shoot someone if I had to. It would make a very frightening dog-eat-dog world. Giving everyone a gun would just make it that much more tempting for those cracking under the pressure to use it.

This kind of behavior is what gives the internet a bad name. "Hey, he's Asian! He went to VA Tech! He has guns! That's the guy! Lets send him death threats!" Never mind that it was reported very early-on that the shooter was dead at the scene. Some people need to pull their heads out and get a grip on reality.

Oh, and it generally takes extra work to get a concealed carry license beyond just buying a gun. Where I live, it is already legal for a licensed person to carry on ALL public school property. And yet, very few people do. Claims by anti-gun people that every argument will turn into a shootout have always failed. CCW license holders are the most law abiding people in society and take their responsibility very seriously.

The comments suggesting there would be a blood bath after the implementation of liberalized concealed carry policies on college grounds are no different than the fears expressed by many leading up to the liberalization of state concealed carry laws nation-wide. No such blood bath materialized. Increasing access to firearms for law abiding gun owners simply does not increase gun crime. Perhaps, tho, it could have prevented some today.

Funny, that other's not in favor of the CC on campus are considering ADULTS, children...

Looking at the Utah mall shooting, a CC holder could have easily put a quick stop to this horrific event.

In the wild west, in the time of the shoot 'em ups and outlaws, and posse lynch 'em justice, the first thing a town did to quell the lawlessless was make the men hang up their guns. Took strong, brave lawmen to make them do it, but they did.

As soon as that happened, towns became cities and civilization flourished.

Now the solution to all our problem is to regress back to those days of unsafety? Geniuses.

David,
Unfortunately it is exactly this type of belief system that enable criminals to commit their criminal acts without fear of response. If you are afraid to be resonsible for your own safety that is your decision, do not pass judgement on over 128,000 CCW holders in the State of VA, who by the way are not criminals but citizens who realize that Police are not capable nor responsible of protecting us on an individual basis.

Sarina - you are absolutely correct.

Mr. Silbermann, while I understand your concern it is absolutely unsubstantiated. Over 128,000 Virginians have conceal carry permits and they are all law abiding citizens. I dont imagine that you will find that CCW holders are the same people getting into "drunkin brawls" as drinking while carry a firearm is expressly forbidden, and as we have already addressed CCW holders are law abiding citizens and go out of their way to adhere to the law rather than break it.

Anyone ever think that it wouldn't be a bad idea for teachers/professors be allowed to have concealed weapons? Granted they had some sort of training of course. I had a teacher in high school who was a black belt who also had his classroom setup in a way to hopefully defend against something similar to Columbine. At the time I thought it a bit weird, but shouldn't all schools and teachers do whatever they can to make the classroom as safe as possible? Just a lock on the door at VT could have saved numerous lives

Eric,

Unfortunately, I dont believe it is that simple. A lock on the door might have helped individuals in the classroom, but like the majority of universities, there are any number of public areas (including quad's and such) where students not currently in class congregate. In addition, University professors are not responsible for the safety of each individual student.

aquart you ought to crack up some books in the subject of the old west instead of relying on recent Hollywood films

guns don't kill people...people kill people...ban people..it's for the children

Sad Heart Felt And Very Tragic Nothing More To Say

aquart, Hollywood movies are not a good historical source. The murder rate was much lower in the "wild west days". Also, if people were armed there would be fewer senseless bar fights, because peolpe would be afraid to start a confrontation. A polite society is an armed society.

i feel deeply sorry for those of you who still believe that gun control is wrong and unnecessary....

take a look around at what it's doing to your country, to your kids, to your future generations....

no, don't blame tv, don't blame video games or rappers, blame your government, america

I think that colleges should make a plan of action that students could follow in case this situation occurs again just like what the high schools did after Columbine. High schools have a lock-down procedure they follow once an alarm is set off to alert the school of a shooting. That could possible be one of the solutions to events like these.

Wayne, sorry to hear you were mistaken for the gunman. I've reporting on the matter ALL day - and most of the night. I updated my blog in an effort to help people get the word that you are NOT the murderer.

Be very careful over the next several days. Some folks *want* to blame someone. Let's hope it's not you!

I agree. Clearly, the answer to these gun shootings is more guns. Let's have em in bars. Let's have em at the DMV. Let's put them in divorce courts and in movie theatres. Let's have em in churches too. i know I would feel so much safer if I had a weapon at the ball game.

I understand both sides' argument, but imagine this:
a gunman walks in student union and starts shooting, someone with ccw starts to shoot back and kills the gunman, happy ending right? except in the real world it's most likely that there will be more than one guy with ccw licence in the student union, so now what? when someone starts to shoot back, how could you tell who is the gunman? My point is, if guns are allows on campus, it would create more chaos, more injuries to innocent students,(firing a gun accurately isn't as easy as the video games you play you know. an average guy would probably miss most of his shots if his target is more than 20 feet away) and also mass confusion when police arrives.

As a college student, I would hate to think that the kid next to me could be carrying a concealed weapon. The thought that at any minute, someone could start firing in lecture is terrifying.

This incidence is another expression of police's failure to protect citizens. I was chased in the middle of Washington DC by two guys with hand guns in August 2005. I called police and they did not even show up after 45 minutes. Since then I am a believer of rights to bear arms. I support students should be allowed to carry guns.

Actually, there have been shootings at police stations. As for all the if they had been armed crap, would they have been able to hit the gunman without injuring others, would htey make sure they weren't mistaken for another gunman, would their bullets pierce a bulletproof vest?

When guns are criminalized only criminals carry guns. Never was that more apparent than today at Virginia Tech. There can be no doubt that if people who'd passed the rigorous background check necessary to carry a concealed weapon were carrying this fateful day that that murderous coward would have either thought twice about it or would have been shot down quickly. Virginia Tech has a cadet squad - why didn't any of them or someone else with a warrior's heart take this guy on with what they had? Wake up, America. This is a dangerous world and wishing it wasn't so only gets you killed.

It is ridiculous to claim that students with gun will guarntee the safety of campus.
Think about this " can a killer with a knife kill 30 person faster than with a full-loaded pistol?"
where the gun goes, where the tragedy goes.
Good guy doesn't get more safety from gun, bad guy does hurt more
person with gun!!!!

I just want to say Wayne is a true patriot and American and would have saved many lives if he would have been there he is a good guy, all you superlibs need to step back and look at the real picture. If CCW was allowed on campus this fateful day would have been alot less painful than it is. Please pray for the families and remember guns dont kill people, criminals do.

I am a '99 graduate from Virginia Tech, I also live 6 miles from Campus. I believe 100% that if the students who had valid concealed weapon permits, this story might have a different ending.

Criminals, thugs and monsters such as the one today, prefer unarmed victims. This is why I have been a concealed permit holder now for 9 years.

God bless the Hokies......

Sad that the gunman was the only person armed at VT.

I can't believe this would have been as tragic a loss of life, had the students been able to defend themselves, and not be executed, like fish in a barrel.

I'm not afraid of law abiding citizens carrying firearms, I AM afraid when you take the guns away from the law abiding, you are left with a society where only the criminals are armed.

Poor guy!!! He's done nothing wrong, but now gets all these trouble. He can sue the initial news reports libel if he want to.

Another source said the shooter was a F1 student. Which is not likely because F1 students in recent 2 years must give their fingerprints, which the police cannot find with this shooter.

Also, the name "Wayne Chiang" is just not a F1 student. Nor can a F1 student afford to collect guns.

The issue here isn't so much whether guns on campus would have helped, as it is how many people put two and two (and two, and two, and two) together when they shouldn't have. He didn't do it, and whatever you think of his gun control ideas, isn't it scary how quickly he was convicted in the minds of the internet and the cable news networks?

What are you talking about, Pete?

Gun control, whenever implimented, has almost universally led to an increase, not a decrease, in violent crime.

The government cannot protect everyone on an individual level. Frankly, you're an idiot if you "feel sorry for us" who have more sense than to want to be made defenseless.

NGO: Eh, when was the last campus shooting in England or Australia?

There's is no stopping something like this. More guns, less guns, this sorta tragedy happens and is practically impossible to prevent. Some call this shooter a criminal, and as there are still few details about him/her, I'm not so sure. I would suggest that the shooter is sick/unbalanced, emotionally disturbed, etc. When someone is willing to kill themselves, what can you do. Just ask the Israelis.

Typical media running on emotion an no facts!!!!

Those that are against CCW on College Campuses are the typical emotional types who rely on the Gov't to protect them and take care of them. They need to learn self-reliance and as this sad example clearly shows, the Gov't can't protect you all the time, so you have to rely on yourself for protection. Yes, if there had been armed law-abiding students present, then this would not be as tragic of a situation as it is. Instead, criminals and screwed up people have a target/victim rich zone. Sadly I'm sure many terrorists have taken note and know what an easy target a coordinated attack on a University could do.

This is so very unfortunate, and yet the gun control advocates were jumping on this as early as the 1pm White House briefing. Don't they realize their insane policies led in part to the massacre today?!

Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Nobody has a right to defend themselves today, just as they no longer have a right to take care of themselves without government intervention.

I believe this old saying holds true here. If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. I don't own a gun but I do believe an unarmed group of people is an easy target. Cowards will prey upon the easy targets just like most of the other spree killers he didn't get in a shoot out he took his life after the easy targets were gone.

I'm not anti gun-control, I think it should be strict, but allow people to get guns. The licenses (Especially for concealed) should be difficult to get, thorough background cehck, some sort of 'proof' that you wont use it illegally, but it shouldn't stop anyone from having a gun ecept those who it would be dangerous for us if they did. Gun licenses for everyone, regardless of race, age, gender, as long as a fair system judges them as safe.

Remember, it's easy to make molotovs and flamethroweers and light cannons. Make guns a crime, criminals will still have guns.

In a society where you may have to back up your words with your life, manners are good.

The hardcore gun nuts are using faulty logic to make their points. Nothing new.

The probability is that more students would have died had several people opened fire. It would have been chaos. It already was-- just would have been worse.

This event was tragic, but allowing civilian guns in every single sector of society isn't the answer, people. Ironically, some of you acknowledge that the bad guys don't obey the law. They won't sweat other armed students, either-- heck, the suicidal types, like this creep, would liekly enjoy the challenge.

I'm not sure gun control is necessarily the answer, though the number of rounds in a clip could certainly be reduced. What sounds like the greater problem here is the security response. It would seem that the University's entire security apparatus was inadequate.

A lot of good points. Guns don't kill people...people do. And it's true that the wild west (if you research) had a lower crime + murder rate then now. If everyone was civil and carried a gun...then guns would only be used for protection purposes.

But then people ARE NOT ALL civil. Case and point: what happened today. We can go on forever arguing about gun laws and the gun control and whether they are good or not, but when it comes down to it, it's not about the gun, it's about the person carrying the gun.

But back to the biggest issue (which has nothing to do with guns, but everything to do with humanity), we should all keep praying for the victims of the shooting, and their families. While we're busy arguing about gun laws, there are a large amount of families going through pain. So let's keep praying for them instead of arguing, shall we?

I've read all of the comments everyones posted, some are really good ideas, some...must have been lacking braincells to post them, like the comment about "there'd be less bar fights if everyone carried guns" yeah lets give drunks that are ready to fight guns, thats a brilliant idea, someone else said that just locking the door could have helped and someone responded with its not that simple, you're absolutely right its not that simple BUT it could have helped a great deal if the door was locked and a campus police officer "wherever they were" was going by at the time and seen someone trying to get in that wasnt supposed to be there that could have stopped it right there so is locked doors a bad idea? uh no neither would be metal detectors and better/more campus police officers but thats all my opinion

I just don’t understand how people think. People seem blind to the obvious. I don’t believe that all people should carry a firearm…However; we live in a country where guns will always exist. Gun control lets all the criminals know that their law abiding victims are unarmed. Even a criminal with an IQ of a rabbit could figure that out.
Guns are not the problem! People who want to kill other people…that’s the problem. What’s next? We will need to become a society that requires a permit to buy basic household cleaning chemicals. We can’t have anyone making bombs. I guess it not too long before we are using plastic knives in our kitchens as well!

We have some serious problems in our society. Only a very naive person could believe that this is a problem that could be solved with gun control.

After we acknowledge the problem in our society, it will likely take many years to turn things around. We need to start making changes today, and give our children a chance.

Strange. Everyone was following the multitude of gun control laws on the books.... except for the mass murderer.

Yeah, 5 more regulations would have stopped him. That's using your head,

While my heart goes out to the families and friends of those caught up in this tragic event, I must say that it does not come as a shock. Americas stupid gun laws once again have allowed this. Yes your laws allow you to protect yourselves but that didnt help in this case. Moreover, the policy allows people legal access in the first place! Now im not stupid enought to think a ban on all firearms to civilians would stop gun crime overnight, a. because you have allowed so many in circulation up to now, b. proffessional criminals will still find access, but screwed up general public, such as all of those who have caused each of the school/college killings in the past would not have access. Thousands of lives could be saved. Get a grip, get a life and get rid of all your guns! Don't care what your constitution says its wrong! As was slavery, you got rid of that because it was abhorent and evil ... do the same with guns!

Obviously, the fact that it is illegal to carry a weapon on campus did not deter this criminal.

What we need is another law, making it illegal to ignore the first law.

If that doesn't work, then we can pass another law enforcing the second law. Right?

Get real, folks. Laws do not PREVENT crime. Laws merely PUNISH crime AFTER it has occurred.

Worse yet, when law-ABIDING folks are disarmed BY law, they become easy prey for the sociopaths that infest every society. Sociopaths do not obey laws.

By creating a nation of sheep, we are promoting a population of wolves. Where there is prey, there will be predators. It's a simple law of nature.

the addage if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns seems to be ringing in my head right now.

First off for the news media outlets that portrayed Chiang as the murder of the 32 college students should be held liable for the damage it has caused to his reputation. Secondly for the people on this board who "doesn’t want to live in a society where we need to have firearms to protect ourselves” Get with reality folks our society is violent. There are few people in our society with any kind of morals and also lack common decency. Regardless if guns where banned we would still have murdering thugs who do not give 2 cents about human life nor their own life. Liberal's would like you believe that if guns were gone then all of this country’s crime would disappear, think about this for a second why is there no outcry to limit what we see on television or listen too on the radio. You don’t think that young kids listening to music about the glorification of selling drugs, stealing, and pimping hoes has no effect on our society? We our a product of our society. Until the left wing and liberals wake up and smell the roses on the real down fall of our society we will have to suffer with an ill attempt to portray gun owners as "evil". Why people cannot see the underlying causes for these actions dumbfounds me.

"But, I can guarantee you, 100%, that if college kids across this country were carrying guns at school, there would be a WHOLE lot more people killed in a year than in this incident"- Brian Geraghty

Do you really believe this load of tripe, Brian?

This is the same BS hype that all the anti-gunners spouted to the media when ever a conceal carry law is about to be enacted in a state, or even when the 94 AWB sunsetted. They claimed that the streats would turn into the old west at high noon and ak47's and Uzi's would magically fall off the back off ice cream trucks for little kids and convicted felons to get ahold of.

If Everybody had the same chance to protect life with any means possible, there would be far FEWER of these incidents rather then more as you claim.

An armed society is a polite society.

"As soon as that happened, towns became cities and civilization flourished.

Now the solution to all our problem is to regress back to those days of unsafety? Geniuses."

Suggest you check the murder rate in Washington, DC where guns are currently banned. Then compare it to Texas or Vermont, where gun control is nearly non-existent.

*rant off*if the students would be allowed to carry we would be dealing with 3 killed at the most.....this is another great thought by the goverment banning guns to please the majority who doesnt understand how important they are for our survial....I am going to clean my AK *rant off*

gun free zones within imaginary lines make no sense to me. like some guy with nothing to lose who is cnsiderin ending his own life is gonna surrender his weapons at an invisible unguarded line because theres a rule about it on some paper somewhere... it works almost as good as a metal detector, right? not for criminals it doesnt but law abiding gun owners like myself certainly do follow this idiotic law. and who do u want to have the guns... answer no one and ill laugh at you

The Teachers should beable to protect the classrooms, give them control of a gun. Not the students. many situations occur for students that go bad. Imagine if they had a concealed weapon, things would be much worse, and many more deaths. There would be those few student im sure who could control themselves, but then there are those many more who cannot.

Sure. Lockdown was just what they did.

Effectively locking the gunman in with his victims while the cops with rifles and bullet resistant vests stood outside and hid behind trees.

And all the while, you could hear the "pop pop" of the gunman ending another pair of lives.

Just goes to show ya, y'all are responsible for your own safety. By the time that the cops finally breach the building, the point may be moot.

Nobody is advocating issuing guns out to all college students. Realistically, there would be a small percentage of students carrying guns, just as there is a small percentage of the general population that carries them. Those that would have licenses to carry would have been screened, had background checks, and would be under some scrutiny, just like all of us who have licenses to carry now.

"Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."" 2006

in a perfect world we wouldn't need abortion or guns. until then lets deal with reality. freedom does come with costs but its better than the alternative

I don't see how allowing concealed carry in college is going to make it any safer. If one guy goes into a classroom and starts shooting up students and a bunch of law abiding guys that are licensed to carry concealed arms that are sitting in nearby classrooms hear the gun fire, how would they know who the shooter was if several students are moving around in different classrooms with guns drawn? How would the police/SWAT be able to identify between the mass-murdering lunatic(s) and the students that are licensed to carry? Chances are law enforcement would mistaken students with the carry license/weapons drawn for the shooters and take them down instead.

I believe this could have been prevented if their was plenty of armed security and surveillance systems installed. Leave the firearms in the hands of uniformed officers, especially in schools and colleges.

almost every school shooting since the '90s has been stopped by a citizen who retrieved his fire arm and proceeded to end the carnage. the idea that you can stop the madness by limiting guns is absurd. the "mad" will always find a way and the law abiding will be the victims. the founders gave us a tool to protect ourselves from human madness. madness wins where that tool is denied, EVERYTIME. "there are too many guns!" No; yesterday in Virginia there was one too few.

I think students and campus employees, or any person for that matter, who possesses a concealed handgun license should be allowed to carry on campus. A person with a concealed handgun license is already able to carry virtually anywhere in the issuing state, many places which are very populated i.e. theaters and supermarkets. What makes a school campus any different than a movie theater which requires it to be a gun free zone?

Don't prohibit a person from reasonable means of self-defense if authorities cannot guarantee their safety.

H. Ho from CA

The US has one of the most liberal gun laws in the world. In countries with much more strict gun laws these types of incidents tend to happen far more seldom. It is easy math. Guns should be more controlled.

I really don't think that having a concealed weapon in the classroom would help defend against this type of situation. Nine times out of ten the shooter plans on dying and would not be afraid if confronted with a weapon; however the shooter would more than likely kill anyone with a weapon before he or she kills an unarmed person. Trying to be a hero would just put your life more at risk, would it be worth it???

If we banned guns NO one would have guns. Drugs are illegal and it ain't like you can buy them on EVERY corner in every town in this graet country.

I cant believe there are actually people concidering a weapon free for all. In what kind of fantasy world do you live to say that everybody should be allowed to carry guns to "protect themselves"?
The only solution to this repeating problem, is making all guns ILLIGAL. There is absolutely no need to have a gun in a country as America, there is no country in the world that would even think about invading the UnitedStates.

Honestly, there is very little anyone can do to stop this kind of violence. I do think that we need to have concealed weapons allowed on campuses to people legally able to carry them, but I think that it'll only get worse in the short term. Regardless of steps that we take to defend ourselves, we should expect copycats. The media is treating the death toll like a score. 33:1. Someone is going to want to compete.

Typical American attitude! Whats the answer to ending gun violence? More guns of course!

Whats REALLY sad about this whole situation is that nothing will change. The president of the University and the police will be blamed for it all, sued, and will lose their jobs while the NRA gets to push as many guns as they please.

Who needs uranium when a terrorist can walk into gunshow on our own soil and walk out with an oozy?

Um... I don't want to weigh in on one side or the other about the whole gun control thing, but as far as the truth about shootings in the "wild west" goes.. There may have been fewer shootings back then, but that's only because there were much much fewer people. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I am still 99% certain that the per capita gun fatality rate in "wild west" was much higher than it is now. Even in Baltimore.

Most of those "teenagers" that people claim are too immature to carry a weapon are no older than a lot of the military personnel who are doing so in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Apparently it's only ok for 18-20 year olds to have guns if they are fighting in war.

How times have changed. When I was in college in 1969 I was taking a firearms class that required I have a gun. I borrowed a 38 from my local chief of police. I lived in the dorms so I told them about the gun being I was carrying it in the open not having a conceal permit. I told them I'd leave the ammo but not the gun in the trunk of my car, which I did but they never checked. I transported the gun on the seat of my car and was stopped in a traffic check one time. After the policeman finished checking all the checkpoints of my car he said, "That's a mighty big gun for a little lady." I just told him about my class and he said nothing else. When the class was over I gave the gun back to the chief.
There have always been weapons. Guns don't kill people, it's the moral decline of society that is killing people and today is a horrible example.

Bring the university to court. Make them answerable to their lack of response. The school is as guilty as the gunman. Of all their self-righteous talk about care for students, it's nothing more than empty talk.