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IAEA: Iran Has 1,300 Centrifuges Up and Running
April 19, 2007 10:05 AM
Jacqueline Shire contributed to this report.
International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors have confirmed through firsthand observation that Iran has over 1,300 centrifuges in operation, a diplomat close to the organization told ABC News.
The finding, noted in an April 18 letter from the IAEA to Iran, confirms earlier ABC News reporting that Iran had drastically increased its capacity to enrich uranium, which can be used for reactor fuel at low levels of enrichment or for nuclear weapons at much higher levels.
In the letter, the IAEA wrote that Iran has claimed to have "eight cascades" operating at the Natanz fuel enrichment plant. Each cascade consists of 164 centrifuges, bringing to just over 1,300 the number of centrifuges Iran is operating. IAEA inspectors have been into the underground cascade halls and seen the centrifuges, the diplomat told ABC News.
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Previously, Iran had acknowledged only 320 centrifuges at the site.
Just nine days ago, Iran announced it had reached the "industrial scale" to produce nuclear fuel at the site.
In its letter, the IAEA, an intergovernmental body which monitors nuclear efforts around the world, also expressed concern that Iran may be moving ahead with work on its heavy water reactor without submitting to inspections and other verification measures, as it had agreed to. "As Your Excellency's authorities are aware...[the agreement]cannot be modified unilaterally."
ABC News consultant Jacqueline Shire, a senior analyst at the Institute for Science and International Security, noted that the IAEA had earlier sought to install cameras at the Natanz facility in order to monitor activity there. Surprise inspections, she said, involved logistical challenges and may require the group to maintain personnel in Iran on a close to ongoing basis.
April 19, 2007 | Permalink | User Comments (74)
Iran is giving very effective arms to eL Quieda and deveoping nuclear weapons and has publically stated IT will destroy Israel.
We HAVE to stop them. So it is either wait couple years till all hits the fan or do it now ... and it will all hit the fan, but less terribly.
Russia is rebuilding its Cold War Military Might and they will hit us when we hit IRAN .... so do it NOW while Rusiia is still weak and Iran is not yet to the nuclear capability
Posted by: Houghton Coleman | Apr 19, 2007 10:58:07 AM
What are we waiting for? Get this over with already, the UN is completely worthless, it's in business to launder money and steal funds the US contributes, a bunch of worthless paper pushers!! The longer we wait, the less likely IRAN will submit to anything!
Posted by: T | Apr 19, 2007 11:07:03 AM
No do not stop Iran from it's nuclear program. When they strike they will take out Democrat strong
holds in the US.
Posted by: Bill | Apr 19, 2007 11:08:40 AM
Actually Mr. Coleman, Al Qaeda is a Sunni group and Iran is a Shiite group. They hate each other. Iran might be giving arms to Shiite militants in Iraq, Al Sadr and his ilk, but definitely not Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is fighting against Iran.
Posted by: Kevin H | Apr 19, 2007 11:12:43 AM
Just a reminder to those who crave war, the American military is strapped. If we had enough troops, then Bush would not have to extend the tours of duty in Iraq. If we attack Iran, there will have to be a draft to effectively carry out the attack. We do not have enough troops. We have seen what lack of preparation has done to Iraq. We could have been successful, if they had committed the resources. Let us not be hasty and make a similar mistake with Iran. The results of such an action would be disastrous.
Posted by: Kevin H | Apr 19, 2007 11:17:31 AM
Very funny, too bad it ain't true on the last post.
Posted by: JJ | Apr 19, 2007 11:17:37 AM
"the IAEA, an intergovernmental body which monitors nuclear efforts around the world,"
Nice try conveying the UN is some sort of world government. The IAEA is part of the UN. They don't govern anything.
Posted by: Dave | Apr 19, 2007 11:22:48 AM
Lace up your boot straps everyone between 18 and 35. If we attack Iran directly there is no way the armed forces can keep troop levels stable without a draft. Not to mention add another 80 billion a year for another war that comes out of our pockets. The solution is simple. Bully the security council to cut all refined fuel from entering Iran and stop all export of crude oil out. The ruling party would collapse in about a month and we would not start world war 3.
Posted by: Louis L | Apr 19, 2007 11:29:19 AM
History is trying to repeat itself. This is true in every way. So, now we need to make that move, kill or be killed. It is an axle of evil that is churning over there. Time is ticking away.
Posted by: J.C. | Apr 19, 2007 11:30:22 AM
1,300 is not nearly enough to make even one bomb a year. Their program is shabby -- Pakistan is 20 times more advanced.
Posted by: M | Apr 19, 2007 11:39:53 AM
Iran has three times the acreage and three times the population of Iraq. Even at full strength the US Army would have thier hands full in Iran.
What we need to do is a precision air strike on the sites that are doing the refining. And maybe send a special forces team to pick up a couple key leaders.
When the good people of Iran find that the leadership is missing, they can pick up the peaces and start a more peaceful govenrment there.
Posted by: ken | Apr 19, 2007 11:46:55 AM
Dave, the article states "intergovernmental"...that is exactly what the UN is. "Intergovernmental" means it is an entity comprised of representatives from various governments around the world. ABC isn't attempting to "convey" anything.
Posted by: Jazz | Apr 19, 2007 11:47:07 AM
OK, boys and girls, let's play a little mind game. Recently, a hand full of British sailors were taken captive. For the threat to 15 souls, Iran was able to force England to accept its terms and conditions. Now, imagine that Iran were to announce today that they have one, just one, atomic weapon. And, let's imagine that they said that they would use it to blow up a random Western population center. Or, maybe the target would be the oil fields of the Middle East. Maybe they would just pop the thing in the Suez Canal. By that point, do you really think the nations of the world would do anything EXCEPT follow their dictates? The gun may not be to our heads yet, but it is most certainly in the hands of a madman. And, he is currently loading the bullets. If we allow this to continue to what has to be the ultimate result, we truly deserve to reap what we have sown.
Posted by: Stuart | Apr 19, 2007 11:59:33 AM
Iran is controlled by right-wing, militant, religious freaks, bent on converting the world to their way of thinking, governing, and praying. When this is the motivating force of a nation, logic, humanity, and truth are the first casualties....Somehow, the Iranians may have noticed a similar dynamic at work right next door in Iraq, and feel threatened,.....suppose?
Posted by: Bruce | Apr 19, 2007 12:19:32 PM
Why does some people believe that we "need" ground troops? One month of bombing would about do it for awhile, at least enough to take care of the current leadership.
Posted by: Ed | Apr 19, 2007 12:21:28 PM
I'm sorry, Bill, are you advocating the destruction of thousands of human lives, in your own country no less, based on the idea that they have different political views than you? I just pray that somehow I've misunderstood your post. I mean surely you don't actually mean that you hope other innocent civilians, living and working in the land of free speech, freedom of association, and freedom of religion, die because they happen to be members of another political party or even just in close proximity to other people that are members of another political party. That is utterly abhorrent. Not to mention, if DC were taken out, for example, I imagine they would catch a couple of Republicans in the mix. Really well reasoned.
Posted by: SC | Apr 19, 2007 12:24:00 PM
I am not arguing that we attack them first. That is flat out immoral. However, if I were president of the US, I'd make sure they knew that any first use of nuclear weapons by them would be met with a response so overwhelming that Iran would cease to exist. Civilian nuclear power? Fine. Weapons for defense? Fine. First use? Down you go.
Posted by: wisdom | Apr 19, 2007 12:24:13 PM
If the United States would every need to invade Iran, I hope we will learned from our past mistakes. Keep Congress and the media out of the decision making on how to run a war. It didn't work in Korea, Vietnam and now in Iraq. The military is ran by officers who have been trained for combat and diploymacy for years. While Congress has only been trained on how to waste our money on anything they desire. There is only 1 commander in chief, not 535 plus all the bleeding heart liberals
Posted by: Bill | Apr 19, 2007 12:31:22 PM
I agree that Iran needs to be dealt with, but I'm disturbed at some of the ignorance to the Middle East that I see here. I'm pretty conservative and support active involvement in the Middle East. Make no mistake though, and learn from Iraq, that no matter how much the people of Iran hate their government, they'll pull together against us once the bombs start falling. If we're going to do something about Iran, we need the world behind us, and we need to be ready to go to all out war for an entire generation.
Posted by: amaduli | Apr 19, 2007 12:33:39 PM
Alright everyone its time to WAKE UP! Has anyone heard the phrase, "The enemy of my Enemy is my friend" Even if Iran is Shite and Al Quida Sunni, doesn't matter, they are still Muslim and the Great Evil Empire in their minds is the Good Ole USA! They will work together to destroy the US and after that then kill each other.
To the person that called our President a dictator..sorry Charlie, if we or he were anything like a dictatorship, you wouldn't be able to write it without having secret service at your door by dinner time today!
Posted by: Heather A. | Apr 19, 2007 12:40:11 PM
The problem isnt so much that Iran will use these cascades for production of nuclear fuel. Russia has already offered to completely supply all of Irans nuclear fuel needs. The Russian offer does have a catch, The have to return all of the spent fuel.
The fact is Iran doesnt want to do this. Spent fuel from a nuclear reactor is plutonium. The Iranian power plant will produce enough for 20 or 30 nuclear weapons a year when the plant is in full production.
This is why Iran wants to produce its fuel and not let the Russians do it. Its clear the aim is nuclear weapons.
Posted by: chicago | Apr 19, 2007 12:49:16 PM
Remember Keven H. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Posted by: Gerry F | Apr 19, 2007 12:51:08 PM
Guys,
There would be no need for troops in Iran whatsoever. We dont care about the country itself, just the nuclear sites. A 36 hour bombing campaign and we could be heading back home and not have to worry about them for another 10-15 years.
Posted by: wes | Apr 19, 2007 12:53:36 PM
I second Bill's comment.
Also, I have not/do not agree with the President's actions in the Middle East. However, I recognize he and our leaders have very serious issues to deal with that WILL affect us and the generation to come. For this reason, I hope that their political banter erodes to show unity to resolve the present risk.
Posted by: L | Apr 19, 2007 1:14:17 PM
It's really this simple... We need to win this war while we still can.
Israel will provide much of the initial airstrikes and the US the intelligence and the weaponry.
The 1300 nuclear centrifuges will hopefully be destroyed in the first couple of strikes and we can start dealing with Iran diplomatically then.
If this does escalate the dem's will most certainly bring back the draft.
In doing so they will merely ensure that in the next war the sacrafice will be spread more equally between patriots and the ungrateful alike.
It will be up to history to decide whose price for freedom was worth more.
Posted by: Rich Stadler | Apr 19, 2007 1:30:42 PM
Whatever will be will be.
Other than that, no comment.
Posted by: matt | Apr 19, 2007 1:34:40 PM
Iran is a peace-loving country trying to produce its own energy. The whole business about arms in Iraq is a smoke screen. After the lies Bush told the country about weapons of mass destruction, why believe him now? He is a pathological liar.
Posted by: Kyle | Apr 19, 2007 1:40:21 PM
Just to be clear: They'll need to have about 16,000 cascading centrifuges to be able to make any kind of bomb.
This is not a crisis.
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Posted by: Bill in Portland | Apr 19, 2007 1:48:30 PM
Neither was hitler in 1938.
Posted by: V | Apr 19, 2007 1:50:36 PM
The media is doing a wonderful job keeping most americans thinking that Bush and company are working for your interests when in fact your Elite are sacrificing your jobs and welfare to make ever more money and even blocking workers rights in China to do it.
Iran, with one or two bombs would risk anihilation for what?
Why is it that only America and Israel have a right to self -determination and defense?
I used to think in the 70's that America was a force for freedom but I realize now that things are never as simple as they seem.
Good luck to you all as our world crumbles under the strain of collective greed.
Posted by: concerned | Apr 19, 2007 2:02:43 PM
Our country is already doomed. It's only 230 years old, and already our citizens have forgotten that the constitution gives war powers to Congress, Congress has abdicated the responsibility, and the President has decided he has the right to make these decisions unilaterally.
The hawks of this country are ready to destroy the system of checks and balances that is supposed to protect our government in order to "defend our country and it's way of life," but is happy to give up our civil rights so the government can catch the occasional terrorist or insane college shooter.
We're willing to send 100,000 men to their deaths overseas to earn the right to have freedoms, but not willing to keep those freedoms if it means loosing a single life on our own soil.
Posted by: Disgusted | Apr 19, 2007 2:23:24 PM
Doesnt anybody remember when the United States offered to build nuclear reactors in Iran when the Shah was in power? The US literally trained over 20 Nuclear Scientists from Iran in preperation at MIT and other colleges. Iran chose to build a Siemens plant opposed to the General Electric (eventually after Iraq bombed it Siemens backed out and Russia took over). Where would we be today if they chose General Electric?
Posted by: Jason | Apr 19, 2007 2:24:16 PM
Didn't we get this big propaganda build up before the US attacked Iraq? Weapons of mass destruction, huge caches of poison gas, etc etc. Your being set up again folks. When was the last time Iran attacked another country??
Posted by: vern Montpetit | Apr 19, 2007 2:24:57 PM
Also i love how people just goto wikipedia as references regarding centrifuges and all of a sudden they are nuclear physicists.I work in the nuclear industry and can put much to rest.
Iran will not make a bomb through centrifuges they still dont have enough centrifuges to expedite the process and if theyd id they dont have enough time, theyd need thousands at least 8-10,000 right now there at 3,000.There fastest route is the spent fuel that would be from running there reactor. Forunately this takes time and still the reactor isnt up and running, also they dont have any fuel to run it yet (russians bailed as Iran is back-payment on over 50 million) in which you just cant throw it in you have to develop rods and warm-up and testing stages when construction is complete.
Posted by: Jason | Apr 19, 2007 2:37:41 PM
Dresden.
Posted by: P | Apr 19, 2007 2:46:57 PM
Can we finish the first two wars before getting into a third one? For those of you who think it will only take a few months to defeat Iran, remember how long it was supposed to take us in Iraq. Also, oil and money can be very influential. It looks like Democracy in Russia is crumbling and they still don't like us. If there were ever an alliance between Iran and Russia it could be a very long struggle. Remember, Hitler was winning while they were allies and lost after he attempted to invade Russia.
Posted by: Shane | Apr 19, 2007 2:48:07 PM
By the way, The only people really in immediate danger from Iran is our good ole friends Israel. And if I'm not mistaken Iran's missile range barely encompasses Israel. Not to say that they won't develope ICBM's, but I think the world will get involved before that happens, and you can have your war with all the allies you want to then.
Posted by: Shane | Apr 19, 2007 2:52:33 PM
Sorry, Jason....Your time frame of 5-10 yrs. is just not acceptable! We want instant gratification....we want blood, smoke, and radiation, and we want it now!
The scene in Iraq is getting old, the Shock and Awe are but a distant memory. We want a BIG freakin' mushroom cloud over Tehran by this summer, latest!
We want to see it 24/7 on T.V., in place of summer re-runs....is this asking too much of a country that can put a man on the moon and wine in a box?
Posted by: bruzer | Apr 19, 2007 2:58:34 PM
You can live in the land of the free, or live in the land of the protected. If you all want to live in the land of the protected, where the president can go to war on a whim, the government can spy on anyone it thinks is a possible lunatic, fine, but do it somewhere else.
I'd rather live in the land of the free, under the principles laid down by the founders of this country, even if it means I and my family have to assume a higher level of risk.
If and when Iran attacks another nation, I will be willing to go to war, but I am not willing to do so just because some people are worried about "what ifs."
Posted by: Disgusted | Apr 19, 2007 3:13:36 PM
Let me say right up front. Iran is a developing problem that must be dealt with. Unfortunately we are in a situation where there are no good options. We, the citizens of the USA, lack the will to do what must be done. A radical retreat from Iraq holds is very risky. We don't have sufficient troops in uniform threaten Iran. The only way to meet this threat is to institute the draft (need I remind that we are at war) and to increase the funding for waging war with increased taxes.
I would love to hear a candidate tell it to me straight. Ask me to elect them so they can raise my taxes and institute the draft to assure that our way of life can survive. I don't believe we have the will and patriotic spirit required to vote for that candidate. Until we do, I will continue to watch the sunset on this great experiment in democracy.
Posted by: BooMan | Apr 19, 2007 3:39:49 PM
What's wrong with having a military draft? I would support it 100%. Liberals like Charles Rangel have proposed it, but are just doing it to make some sort of ironic political point. Well time to get serious then see if he votes for it or votes against it.
Oh and by the way, that is the International Atomic Energy Agency that says Iran has 1,300 nuclear centrifuges -- it is not the Republican National Committee that is saying it.
Posted by: Bill in NH | Apr 19, 2007 3:49:52 PM
Is anyone aware that we have 3 naval brigades which include carriers in international waters off of the coast of Iran? Why do you think the British navy is there as well. The hostages were let go because the USS Nimitz was well on its way to the region and the clerics of Iran disagreed with the President on the abduction of the prisoners in international waters. Does anyone wonder why China has been testing a system to shoot down satellites and Russia has sold surface to air missles to Iran. My guess..Russia and China will use Iran to meet their end...oil. Russia needs and wants oil desparately. By the way, former Pres. Jimmy Carter did away with digging for intelligence information on the ground using people. Big mistake...our information is not as accurate as it should be so we can only estimate Iran's nuclear program based on intelligence photographs and inspections.
Posted by: Jane | Apr 19, 2007 4:05:33 PM
Only one post about end times and no one pays attention. They really are asleep. True Christians turn the cheek and love their enemies. I'd rather die doing that and gain greater good in the end than win any war and lose out eternally. There is so much more to life than this temporary setting. You cannot conquer evil with evil. People, perfect love casts out all fear. It is the only solution short of Christ's return, which I am not eager to see in lieu of the coinciding catastrophe.
Posted by: jem | Apr 19, 2007 4:33:10 PM
Actually Irans biggest export is not oil but LNG Natural Gas. Its more beneficial per megawatt for Iran to have Gas Turbines to produce electricity than it is for a Nuclear Reactor.
Posted by: Iran | Apr 19, 2007 4:37:37 PM
To all of those who talk about the weakness or incapability of America to extend its forces to other ground than Iraq. Well its no lie that we are "tight" and this is for many different reasons. But we may be short on ground troops and have difficulties with rebuilding nations; however, we have ships and planes and alot of missles capable of striking at any time. Iran is a touchy situation and I don't think that is is solely our obligation to take them out but if it needs to be done and no one else will do it, then we should. Just don't doubt the capability of our armed forces. American's have always been made of wonderful people that have came to the worlds aid in times of crisis, hopefully the world will prevent this crisis from occuring.
Posted by: Joel | Apr 19, 2007 4:58:46 PM
The reason we haven't done anything yet is because of Oil. Iran is apart of Opec and does export Oil to the US, although not a lot, it is still enough to make the US hesitant in attacking Iran.
Posted by: d | Apr 19, 2007 4:59:48 PM
We have all this military in the gulf,for what,gunboat diplomacy?Why not just ask for more pistachios,surrender and scrap the military and take the money and buy more nuts and send it all to Washington with all the other nuts.
Posted by: joe | Apr 19, 2007 5:01:58 PM
Primary reason for opposition to Iranian nukes is "regional stability" e.g. Israeli security.
Israel needs to be relocated to Germany .. they are the ones responsible for the Holocaust, not the Arabs. And the French bear a lot of responsbility too .. look up "Vichy France".
Maybe the deal should be: Israel is moved to Europe, and European Muslims all move back to the Middle East and Africa, and US get out of Mideast. There, that just solved 90% of the worlds problems.
Posted by: Murf | Apr 19, 2007 7:25:01 PM
I believe we should not attack Iran. The UN has said it is really upset with Iran. The next step is for the UN to write the Iranians and tell them if they don't stop they will be really really upset. Our other option is light candles for peace so they know we love them.
Posted by: John Koch | Apr 19, 2007 7:28:43 PM
Just like the Virginia Tech Massacre, this all could be prevented by heeding the warning signs and acting in caution before it reaches a breaking point. Madmen cannot be reasoned with, they must be handled accordingly. For those who argue about the cost, I say the difference is this: One life vs. 32 lives extrapolated to the size of a country. You do the math, folks.
Posted by: Michael | Apr 19, 2007 7:40:52 PM
Iran has the RIGHT under the NNPT that they signed to enrich uranium... Unlike your good friends Pakistan, who didnt sign and gave weapons tech to North Korea. For those of you claim that the UN does nothing, well... they managed to punish Iran for exercising its sovereign right. The constant claims that Iran wants to destroy Israel are an intentional misquote of a single man (how many of you can speak Farsi?). In the meantime, Iraq is destroying itself quite nicely after US intervention
The capture of the British personnel had more to do with retalitation for the US abduction and torture of Iranian diplomants while on a formal visit to Iraq, than anything else. This abduction of envoys is a bigger crime under international statutes than taking military personnel. (And yes they were envoys, Iraq recognised that)And gee, at least Britain knew where their people were and that they were alive!
America have messed with the country of Iran over and over again for the last 60 years and not to the benefit of the Iranians, just the US of A. Ask yourself how you would feel if a country had
1: Overthrown the democratically elected government of your country and replaced it with a corrupt monarchy
2:sponsored a war against you
3:started a war with your neighbouring country on a fabricated pretext
4: Leads a global propaganda exercise against you exercising your sovereign right
Well????
Bet I dont get any answers, only abuse and defamation! Called naive, head in the sand etc....
Posted by: runningdog | Apr 20, 2007 2:33:29 AM
If the US attacked Iran nationalism would take over and every Iranian would view the US as an invasive enemy. I also agree that Iran has to be stopped. But how??? We are at a stalemate. Our hands are tied and the Iranians know it. The predicament we are facing is how can we liberate Iranians without making them view us as an agressor?
Posted by: Anamandy | Apr 20, 2007 4:59:07 AM
Precise strikes now, no troops needed. Or wait until it gets really worse and we do need more military supplies and troops. Just as Isreal hit Iraq's nuclear plant years ago, everyone (cryed)complained back then, but Now! everyone is grateful Isreal did that or Iraq would have had nuclear weapons. This is really common sense. Take care of it NOW, or wait until it gets really bad later. No need for any individuals to get hurt, us troops or Iranian folks, Precise guided bombs. Isreal did it years ago. But I am afraid nothing will be done until it is too late, to many Dems and liberals and Pacifist, here at home sending the wrong message. And the above comment by Bill is correct, "Neither was hitler in 1938."
Posted by: Dave | Apr 20, 2007 5:20:16 AM
The US stated that they would not stand for N Korea to have Nukes (now they do and we did nothing about it).
The US stated we will protect our boarders (it appears that we put boarder guards in prision and reward illegal aliens (law breakers).
Why should be expect anything to be done about this other than talk?
Posted by: al | Apr 20, 2007 8:23:27 AM
The Iran president "Tom"-as Glenn Beck calls him, has declared the the Muslum world will rule the world with surrel law. Countries in the EU seem to be bowing to the Muslum leaders wishes. The US isn't confronting the coming storm, but bowing as well (congress seems to want to take away out guns and eliminate our military.) How many years until we realize that Pres Tom will probably be proven correct...Read Revelations (Russia, Syria, and Iran are mentioned in end times, but not the USA.)
Posted by: al | Apr 20, 2007 8:28:23 AM
The 'war' with Iraq is over and the U.S. won. Everything that has happened after ~June 2003 is reconstruction. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course, many libs are still fighting the Vietnam war (see Kerry '04). I agree that the Iraqis must step up, single out and eliminate the terrorists within their country.
Posted by: Bob | Apr 20, 2007 9:26:00 AM
Has anyone bothered to check their facts for a change. I mean has anyone noticed that, contrary to what so many have said, the Iranian president has never said "They will wipe Israel out" and has anyone noticed that Bush and company have continously said "No option is off the table", meaning they would wipe Iran off the map. And how can anyone take what American media and politicans say after Iraq and Sen Macain siging about bombing Iran as if it was a joke. Is there any suprise with this kind of blood thirsty attitude in USA that you guys have what happened at Virginia Tech.
Posted by: Reality check | Apr 20, 2007 9:46:47 AM
who cares if Iran thinks the u.s. is an invasive army? the U.S. is invaded all the time by illegals coming across our border by the millions. They are not all hispanics and many have guns and weapons. Too bad Congress and the Presidents cared more for the NWO than the welfare and defense of our borders. The reason we are over in Iraq is to keep our troops over there so we don't have defense of our borders over here. the constitution of the U.S. has been dead for a long time...but so are the people in spirit. Our troops are over in the Middle East as sitting ducks. Bomb them over there. Our President, Congress they are nothing more than a bunch of pagan masons anyway. with NO wisdom from God. Support our troops not this damn U.S. government who hates the little man anyway. alice
Posted by: alice | Apr 20, 2007 9:56:46 AM
Just a typo, I meant over a 1000 years not a hundered
Posted by: C S 4 | Apr 20, 2007 10:16:12 AM
I came back here to find all of my posts from yesterday were removed. Interesting, given that I didn't personally attack anyone or use intemperate language. I did put out some detailed (but public domain) information about nuclear weapons, including Pu-240 as a diluent, and actual Iranian capabilities. I essentially tried to correct misinformation that is going around and was being posted on this discussion thread.
Perhaps my statement that the media in general tends to be scientifically and technically incompetent ruffled some feathers. In particular, the uncritical acceptance of the NIE from last year showed that no one in the media had an iota of energy or intellectual inquisitiveness to dig into the story. If anyone had, at a minimum there could have been some extended discussions with the Israelis and why they thought that Iran would have its first nukes in 2007 or 2008. As I showed by referencing my posts from last year, a modest amount of knowledge about nuclear technology and the nuclear fuel cycle was sufficient to make one skeptical about the NIE. It's pretty clear, the Israelis were right and the U.S. was wrong. This was a story the news media completely botched.
I will give ABC a little credit for finally covering this issue the way it should have been a year ago. Better late than never.
Posted by: Paul Hager | Apr 20, 2007 10:37:47 AM
America is a great nation. SO many wonderfull people that offer a helping hand and care, but have allowed apathy to govern. Iran is only one problem, our neighbors to the south are a greater threat to the people of USA and their way of life. The hispanic peoples with leaders that create a hatred and distrust for Americans are undermining the American way of life. Our government has made many many enemies in exchange for profits to its corporate america. SO many tragedies are never reported, the truth hidden. When religion and heritage are the driving force, they are unbeatable. America has been through the same, but has forgotten and abandoned. Right now Puerto Rico receives billions in aid and federal subsidies, yet they are the promoters of anti-americanism with the approval of congress. There is an old saying that is so true, "for money the monkey dances always". As my friend Luis says over and over, America is doomed, period.
Posted by: Jose Munoz | Apr 20, 2007 12:35:26 PM
to the poster that said we have mis-quoted the iranian pres, i beg to differ. He has made many references to the destruction of israel. he has said the holocaust didnt happen, he has said "the day will come when israel will cease to be" and in a pan arab conference (this is my favorite) he showed a map to the delegation of the mid-east WITHOUT israel. israel had simply been removed with syria jordan and the P.A. filling in the blanks. now everyone can say we should shouldnt bomb them etc. whatever, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. HOWEVER remember this guys. Iraq did have WMD's if you thought they didnt your simply dilluted. was it to the degree we were lead to believe? NO. but rest assured they moved lots of goodies into the bekha valley in syria. also think about this for a moment, Where is north korea??? hmmmm strange. we cant make a move on that roy orbison lookin punk cause he has the freakin bomb now!!!!! what happens when jihad jerry gets it? the same damn thing. well have to sit and eat it because once the nuclear geanie is out of the bottle you just cant stuff his fat butt back in there. so the question is do we let them get the bomb? if yes then hey!!! deal with an atomic iran. if not then fuel up the jets and pull the carrier groups into formation. either way we have to get our ducks in a row to deal with these yahoo's! they may be a bit nutty but we have to face facts, right now its there court and there ball.
SS
Posted by: SS | Apr 20, 2007 2:21:48 PM
wow, dont we all know why we are going to war in the first place, if you havent done your homework do it. were at work cuz 9/11 was a inside job look at the facts. were going to drop a 300 kiloton bomb on iran keep in mind the one we dropped on japan was 15 kiloton. world war 3 is going to start soon. also there is a draft going through the starting stages of our government that will bring th edraft back. watch it go right to law as we get into the war with iran..
9/11 truth now stop a war
Posted by: TIm | Apr 20, 2007 4:38:03 PM
Why focus nuclear development on Iran and not North Korea. Iran has not invaded any country in the last century as I recall. The only threat Iran posses is American hegemony (imperialism) in the Middle East via it's proxy fortress Israel. North Korea doesn't have any oil reserves, Iran does are you begginning to see the picture?
Posted by: marc Villa | Apr 20, 2007 7:15:00 PM
Why focus nuclear development on Iran and not North Korea. Iran has not invaded any country in the last century as I recall. The only threat Iran posses is American hegemony (imperialism) in the Middle East via it's proxy fortress Israel. North Korea doesn't have any oil reserves, Iran does are you begginning to see the picture?
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Posted by: marc Villa | Apr 20, 2007 7:15:43 PM
People have to understand that we will never have peace with the Middle East. We will never truly understand them until we understand how evil they are. The breed hate - generation after generation. Until our politicians realize this we will never be in a position to win a war - especially since we are so sensitive due to the media. If and when we do decide to go to war, we need to take the gloves off - not pander to the Rosie O'Donnells and Bill Mahers of the world - if were up to them we'd be taxing the rich to give them reparations for the crusades.
Posted by: Vance Novan | Apr 20, 2007 10:33:26 PM
I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT THE WHOLE SITUATION SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME. IRAN IS CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO DEVELOPE NUCLEAR ENERGY, BUT RATHER A WAR THAT WILL BE PLAYED OUT IF THEY ARE NOT STOPPED. DOES ANYONE SEE THAT THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO SET UP THEIR POSITION FOR THE "END TIMES"? ITS ALL THERE IN THE BIBLE. READ EZEKIAL AND REVELATIONS. ITS VERY SCAREY! ALL THE OTHER PROPHECIES CAME TRUE. DO YOU THINK THIS ONE WONT. IT IS TRUE THAT THE USA IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED. WHO ELSE WOULD THEY GET RID OF FIRST? WE ARE A THORN IN THEIR SIDE THAT THEY WILL REMOVE.
Posted by: angela | Apr 23, 2007 2:00:19 AM
Remember a few years ago two centrifuges were found gathering dust in a building in Iraq. The far righters started crying that it meant Saddam was weeks or even days away from having a nuke. Now Iran has 1300 and is still years away from a nuke. Oh well, the far righters never let the truth get in the way of a story.
Posted by: WDRussell | Apr 24, 2007 3:11:04 PM
Again, only one country has ever used nukes on another.
And now while attempting to prohibit even civilian nuclear use in Iran that very same country is using loop holes in nonproliferation treaties and ramping up to put bigger and better nuclear warheads on old ordinance as though it was just some minor paint up, clean up operation.
There's reason for fear alright.
But recognize the source by it's degree of self righteousness, double standards and hypocrisies.
Posted by: Zach | Apr 24, 2007 11:34:22 PM
Some contend that the deaths (both military and civilian) would have been MUCH, MUCH higher, if the US would have invaded Japan via Okinawa & the southern Japanese islands. Although opening a big can of worms, perhaps Truman made the best call in that situation. Anyway, that was WWII - tough call by anybody in this day and age.
Some parties are just not meant to possess weapons, while others are justified in their possession and able to handle them with responsibility.
I don't really know how close or how far Iran is to having weapons (I'm pretty sure nobody here does), but my bet is that diplomacy (re: leveraged negotiation) is the best way to go right now.
Posted by: Jazz | Apr 25, 2007 10:28:44 PM
The world is going to hell in a hand basket, so let's just attack Iran and whoever helps them and get it over with. I'm sick of all the talk, lets get it done!
Posted by: Jeff | May 4, 2007 4:30:25 AM
I cannot help but marvel at the well meaning, misinformation posed here.
1. Sunni and Shia will unite to fight the infidel (that’s us). An established fact.
2. Iran is governed by radical Shia clerics motivated by religion. Their purpose is to bring back the 12th Imam, allowing them to spread Islam across the globe.
3. Uranium hexafluoride can be recycled through the same 1,300 centrifuges. Ten loops equals thirteen cascades. Also, how do we know there are not other centrifuge sites? FBI Director Mueller asked this question on May 15th.
4. Making an implosion Pu-239 bomb is much more difficult than making a simple assembly or gun-type uranium atomic bomb.
5. Iran’s delivery system can be a shipping container, a truck, or a piece of equipment. The bomb can be put in place and detonated at their will.
6. Blackmail: Suppose an atomic bomb detonated in the U.S., or Israel, or Europe. How much would the peaceniks pay to keep the second one from being detonated? How long would they keep paying the tribute?
7. A prolonged bombing campaign will not work—loss of aircraft and pilots to Russian air defense systems. Invading is not practical. A previous poster said the Iranians would unite against us, and he is correct.
8. Iran has been operating centrifuges for several years. It is possible that they have another secret location. I believe they have enough U-235 bomb grade fissile material for at least one bomb. When they are ready, the bomb will be placed and detonated by a surrogate (al Qaeda, Hezbollah, or some other group we have not heard of).
9. Destroy the source of the bomb if one is detonated. Good idea, but not practical unless we have samples of the fissile material made by the suspect nation.
10. Another poster suggested the MAD approach. Sorry, MAD only works with rational people. Fanatics, especially religious fanatics who take their orders for God, will not respond. If they die doing God’s work they, and their family, get a direct pass to Paradise.
So, we are left with the choice of accepting a bunch of crazy Ayatollahs with atomic bombs they will use, or nuking one or more of their sites—Isfahan, Natanz, and the Bushier reactor.
In reality, we are left with no choice. No choice, that is, until they nuke an Israeli or Western city. Then ... guess it will depend upon who is president.
Posted by: Author Lee | Jun 21, 2007 3:37:48 PM
These comments make you sad! You realize how brain washed americans are! Honestly, with this way of thinking which nation is a greater threat to the global security, Iran or USA? Let's not forget that americans are the only nation to have ever used nuclear weapons against humanity! The funny thing is that the media always manages to twist the general opinion. It is not surprising though with the current low level of education in the USA. Wake up people, listen to your conscience!
Posted by: truth | Jul 28, 2007 2:11:41 AM
Just came in though google, man, you guys are amazing. You are the most hateful and miss-informed people I have ever seen in my life. Except for a few who do not want to accept the lies of this administration.
First of all, there are 4 countries in the world who have not signed the NPT, they are:
- North Korea (took off their signature in 1995)
- India
- Pakistan
- Israel
All the above countries do HAVE nuclear weapons. And in the case of Pakistan, they have spread the "know how" to North Korea, Libya and partially to Iran. But do you see any cry for boycott, attack and destruction of that country? No, they receive 100s of millions of dollars from
