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Lapse of Federal Law Allows Sale of Large Ammo Clips
April 16, 2007 2:30 PM
High capacity ammo clips became widely available for sale when Congress failed to renew a law that banned assault weapons.
Web sites now advertise overnight UPS delivery of the clips, which carry up to 40 rounds for both semi-automatic rifles, including 9mm pistols, and handguns.
"High capacity magazines read extreme firepower and gusto. Stock Up!" is the headline of one of many gun shop Web sites.
Virginia law enforcement officials have not identified the weapon used in the shootings today at Virginia Tech, but gun experts say the number of shots fired indicate, at the very least, that the gunman had large quantities of ammunition.
"When you have a weapon that can shoot off 20, 30 rounds very quickly, you're going to have a lot more injuries," said Paul Helmke of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
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"It's not one or two shots at a time when you're putting 20 bullets, spraying them into a classroom or into a dorm room," Helmke said.
April 16, 2007 | Permalink | User Comments (919)
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Of course, given that the police and administration allowed this thing to go on for 2-3 hours, it isn't as if the gunman didn't have enough time to load and reload as much as he wanted.
Posted by: Tom | Apr 16, 2007 3:18:59 PM
Never understood the problem with large capacity magazines, or the weapons that accept them. They are objects that cant do anything on their own. You have to have someone intent on doing harm with them, before they are a problem.
That being said, I am just as dangerous with 3x10rd mags as I am with 2x15rd mags.
Yes its possible that the VA Tech shooter used high capacity magazines, but its not a given. In such a safe "gun free" zone, you can take all the time you need shooting at innocent people because all the law abiding citizens won't have guns, and no one is shooting back at you.
Is the high capacity ban about saving lives? Surely you jest! How about banning tobacco. Its kills FAR more people every year than guns ever could. Oh thats right, its not about saving lives, its about $$$$
Posted by: TimP | Apr 16, 2007 3:19:33 PM
This incident only happened a few hours ago, not all the facts are in yet, and already the issue of 'high capacity magazines' is coming up. These incidents occur not because of the presence of guns, they occur because a disturbed individual wants to hurt others. More damage was done & deaths occurred in much less time because of Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the A.P. Murrah building than in this shooting. Stop focusing on the weapons, and deal with the real issue - the criminals. Let's get all the facts before making this another sensationalized anti-gun issue.
Posted by: Chris | Apr 16, 2007 3:20:26 PM
"It's not one or two shots at a time when you're putting 20 bullets, spraying them into a classroom or into a dorm room," Hamm said."
The size of the clip, or magazine, has nothing to do with rate of fire. You "spray" a room with a full-auto rifle, which are already illegal everywhere.
Posted by: B Moe | Apr 16, 2007 3:20:44 PM
One adult with a CCW allowed to carry on campus would have been able to take care of the issue, if it was not a 'gun-free' zone. Of course the CCW holder would obey the law and not be carrying on campus. Go figure. I wonder why crimminals are attacking safe zones????????????????
Posted by: Dave Price | Apr 16, 2007 3:21:10 PM
Unless you plan on outlawing semi-auto handguns the size of the magazine doesn't mean anything. Ten bucks says this guy had regular magazines and not "high-capacity" whatever that is supposed to mean.
But that was a silly statement on my part I am sure - of course you want to outlaw semi-autos and no about all guns.
Posted by: NSC | Apr 16, 2007 3:24:16 PM
One adult with a CCW allowed to carry on campus would have been able to take care of the issue, if it was not a 'gun-free' zone. Of course the CCW holder would obey the law and not be carrying on campus. Go figure. I wonder why crimminals are attacking safe zones????????????????
Posted by: Dave Price | Apr 16, 2007 3:24:58 PM
The magazines (not clips) were available during the ban on them, as anything that had been manufactured prior to the ban was grandfathered in. The "ban" banned nothing and was democratic showmanship at it's worse.
You can't ban firearms in the US, they are a constitutionally protected right. Again, the shooter is at fault, not the tool he used.
Posted by: Brian Heck | Apr 16, 2007 3:25:08 PM
The magazines (not clips) were available during the ban on them, as anything that had been manufactured prior to the ban was grandfathered in. The "ban" banned nothing and was democratic showmanship at it's worse.
You can't ban firearms in the US, they are a constitutionally protected right. Again, the shooter is at fault, not the tool he used.
Posted by: Brian Heck | Apr 16, 2007 3:25:37 PM
Lets stick to facts for a side story. This article implies that the person guilty of this used large capacity clips and assault style weapons. all unknown @ this time. As an earlier post stated - lots of small capacity magazines can sould like one large capacity. The Magazine size limit was no clips 10 or over could be manufactured for sale in the US. this didn't stop the existing quantity to be resold.
As to the description of spraying requires large capacity clips. Two handguns with 9 round clips would sound like 18 rounds going off rapidly. If the person was truely Spraying fire into classrooms then Large capacity clips were the least infraction. Automatic weapons as seen in hollywood flicks spraying fire downrange were banned in 1934 for private ownership. either the person had a license for the weapon (unlikely)or modified (in violation of the law) the weapon to fire automaticly.
Again I ask to stick to facts and not jump to conclusions about what may have exasperated the situation to promote a political agenda.
Posted by: glenn | Apr 16, 2007 3:26:18 PM
The magazine size in this case is irrelevant, as the shooter had plenty of time and space to simply walk back and forth between classrooms. He could've used a WWI bolt-action rifle; it wouldn't matter one way or the other. The real problem was the complete failure of the college administration to lock down the campus, as well as the students' inability to respond to this murderer. If one a single one of those students had a concealed carry permit -the kind the college prohibits- the death toll could've been much lower. What a tragedy.
Posted by: JohnS | Apr 16, 2007 3:26:30 PM
The difference between University of Texas, 1969 and Virginia Tech 2007 is that students and police with their own, personal rifles were able to pin down the Texas sniper and stop his killing spree, while no one could lawfully be armed on the Virginia Tech campus--ergo, only the murderer was armed and was able to kill with complete impunity. Decent, law-abiding citizens, including those over 18, attending college must be allowed to defend themselves. No law passed in contravention of the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the fundamental rights of every person to defend themselves should stand, nor should it be obeyed.
Posted by: Ay Uaxe | Apr 16, 2007 3:29:21 PM
High capacity clips? I think the expert meant Hi-Cap magazines.
Granted he even knows what he is talking about.
Posted by: JAY TURTLE | Apr 16, 2007 3:29:35 PM
The magazine size in this case is irrelevant, as the shooter had plenty of time and space to simply walk back and forth between classrooms. He could've used a WWI bolt-action rifle; it wouldn't matter one way or the other. The real problem was the complete failure of the college administration to lock down the campus, as well as the students' inability to respond to this murderer. If one a single one of those students had a concealed carry permit -the kind the college prohibits- the death toll could've been much lower. What a tragedy.
Posted by: John S | Apr 16, 2007 3:30:14 PM
Politicizing already, it's a sad state when even the news media pushes an agenda right after a tragic event such as this.
Posted by: Mark | Apr 16, 2007 3:30:36 PM
Even guns that can only shoot one shot are already prohibited on VA Tech campus. The students and teachers were defenseless against this criminal. When will the schools finally realize that law-abiding people MUST be allowed the means to defend themselves. This is the SECOND TIME THIS YEAR that some nut has gone on a shooting spree at VA Tech.
Posted by: Gary | Apr 16, 2007 3:32:07 PM
Why was this gunman capable of killing 32 people? Because no one could stop him. Had Virginia Tech allowed students to carry concealed firearms without fear of expulsion, he may have been killed before he had a chance to fire more than a couple shots. The Brady Campaign wants to get rid of all our guns. What they fail to realize is criminals will get guns one way or another. They also don't realize Gun Free Zones are actually Victim Zones and lunatics that are bent on murder are not detered by a law prohibiting guns in a school.
Posted by: Grant | Apr 16, 2007 3:34:45 PM
So, it better for someone to carry a bow and 50 arrows, than 2 15 round MAGAZINES, I guess.
The native Americans killed a lot of cowboys with a bow and arrow, just as Custer.
Posted by: Rob | Apr 16, 2007 3:35:11 PM
It is a disgrace that you are using a terrible incident to promote your anti gun agenda. If students were allowed to have guns on campus then this might very well have never happened or if it did it could have been stopped by a student with a gun. The same thing is with 9/11 where people are not allowed to carry guns on airplanes but if they were allowed to then the terrorists might have thought twice about hijacking the plane or at least people on the plane with guns could have stopped it. The issue here is the right of self defense - for a person to protect himself as he cannot be protected by the police.
Posted by: Jack | Apr 16, 2007 3:38:47 PM
One person with a CCW could have stopped this event from the beginning. Unarming the general population just turns everyone into a helpless victim. There was just a law passed in the house that outlawed CCW on campus.
Posted by: kevin | Apr 16, 2007 3:39:26 PM
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