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'D.C. Madam' Client Ready to Testify About Sex
May 04, 2007 2:04 PM
One of the prominent Washington men named as an escort service customer of the so-called "D.C. Madam" is apparently ready to testify he had sex with a woman or women from the madam's now-infamous Pamela Martin and Associates.
A lawyer for Harlan Ullman, a renowned military analyst and Washington Times columnist, says his client won't back down if he is called to testify by Jeane Palfrey, who prosecutors say ran an illegal prostitution ring for 13 years.
Palfrey maintains her service did nothing illegal and only provided "fantasy, legal sex," which does not include intercourse of any kind or oral sex.
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"Any notion that Ms. Palfrey has that Mr. Ullman will help her in any way is incorrect," said Ullman's lawyer, Mark Mukasey, in a statement to the Blotter on ABCNews.com.
Previously, Ullman had told reporters that the allegation he used Palfrey's service was "beneath the dignity of comment."
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When informed of Ullman's new stance, Palfrey told ABC News the former Rumsfeld colleague could be prosecuted along with her.
"If Mr. Ullman committed illegal acts, he can be charged with racketeering as well, since he would be a part of the overall conspiracy the government is alleging," Palfrey said. "It takes two to tango."
Ullman was named by Palfrey in court papers and in public statements outside the courthouse earlier this week.
Phone records provided to ABC News by Palfrey show Ullman was a repeat customer, who Palfrey says was known by her women as "Mr. U" and is well-remembered.
"He was a disagreeable character," Palfrey says, "and there were some complaints about him." She said some of the women refused to service him a second time "because he was an unpleasant person."
Palfrey has rejected an offer from federal prosecutors to plead guilty to reduced charges in return for a four-month prison term.
"I told them to go to hell with their deal," Palfrey said, "and instead will call my clients to testify in my defense."
May 4, 2007 in D.C. Madam Affair | Permalink | User Comments (265)
What a shame, maybe would have been better
if they all had been neutered.
Could have saved we taxpayers a lot of
money since the judicial system does
seem to be overfed to begin with.
Posted by: V. Smith | May 4, 2007 2:22:22 PM
Well Mixon, you seem to be missing the point here: Ullman admits it. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But apparently "shock and awe" doesn't go over well with the high priced call girls.
Posted by: cervantes | May 4, 2007 2:35:46 PM
mixon,
let me get this straight.All these men that are being outed in hiring prostitutes and you're calling this madam a "loony tunes character"? Could it be that these hypocrites are all turning out to be CONservatives from the party of "family values" is why you came to this conclusion?
The GOP party is being outed everyday for their phoney "morality" they love to claim,and I am loving it!! These men are not being forced to hire prostitutes so I feel it's nobody's fault but THEIRS. I hope they all see Karma real soon.
CON-servatives.......wave the flag and claim to own it...talk about God and claim to own him...claim to be the only people on this planet who are patriotic.Well,now they can RIGHTFULLY claim they are the most corrupt,immoral hypocrites world wide.
Posted by: ihbwap3 | May 4, 2007 2:39:28 PM
Enough with the double standards!
Why should Palfrey need to plead guilty to reduced charges and serve 4 mos, let alone even one day.
I don't see the "Johns" having to plead guilty and serve any time.
All charges should be dropped against Palfrey -- UNLESS -- charges are brought against "all" of the clients.
Posted by: bac | May 4, 2007 2:41:54 PM
the GOP perverts? Con-servatives? Funny how your memory is lacking from the Clinton administration and his free call girl service with his own interns there, don't ya think? Perhaps if you would take that plank out of your eye and address the issue, instead of the party, you just might have an awakening of sorts.
Posted by: Sooner | May 4, 2007 2:47:25 PM
I am in full disagreement with this "Madam". Of course it is wrong for these men to have called in for services, but, she was offering, and I highly doubt her "no sex" rule was enforced. She is breaking the confidentiality she had established and guaranteed to her clients, as a business woman. She takes on a business name that looks more like a law firm, than what she was running, and of course she can say she filed her taxes legally, because she was "fooling" the IRS into thinking her business was something other than what it really was. So if she's saying she was running her business legally, then why hide and have to open all the clients' records up? Is that necessary?? 2 + 2 is What??
Posted by: Janda | May 4, 2007 2:49:53 PM
It's interesting that everyone seems to assume that all the clients will be Republicans. Don't Democrats have sex too! I assume that there will be men from both parties and that no group, liberal or conservetive, will be able to say they weren't involved.
Posted by: Cyndi | May 4, 2007 2:51:00 PM
Clinton didn't pay, these guys paid. BIG difference as far as the law is concerned. Look it up if you don't believe me.
BTW I love how Neo-cons are quick to change topic. What des Clinton have to do witht his incident? (Unless his name is actually on the list.)
Posted by: Tony | May 4, 2007 2:55:24 PM
I hope every single one of these double standard, hypocritical, bible-thumping, lying, con-men called politician not only have their careers ruined, but are ruined financially too.
After all, money and power is all their pay reverence too. They make me physically sick.
Oh and as for Monica and Clinton - last time I checked she wasn't working for an Escort service, nothing was 'paid for' and she was a stupidly starry-eye young woman that should have known better. And I mean not only in the whole affair but in the Linda Tripp debacle too.
Posted by: Ann | May 4, 2007 2:58:32 PM
Both parties are corrupt. Democrats lie about it when caught because they buy into the Republican moral authority. Republicans would do well to drop the act.
Posted by: Michael | May 4, 2007 2:59:53 PM
Hey Tony, what does the GOP or "conservatives" have to do with it either? From the information provided, her services included a broad sprectrum of influencial figures. Blinders dude; they impede vision.
Posted by: Sooner | May 4, 2007 3:01:03 PM
Re: the "looney-tunes" comment. Ms. Palfrey like far too many women was hoodwinked by a married man years, ago. From what I understand, the piece of #$@%& lied to her about his marital status. The guy, Tom Czech is a former marine and apparently a fairly dishonest character; a real player. He just didn't like the fact Palfrey eventually found out the real truth about him. After all, no one likes getting busted!
Posted by: Lezah | May 4, 2007 3:01:41 PM
Hmm, what are some of the unpleasant things The Ullman did that the Escort girls said were so unpleasnt that they wouldn't see him a second time? Or would that, too, be beneath his dignity to comment on--until otherwise revealed?
Posted by: Zolo | May 4, 2007 3:02:27 PM
I can't say I either respect the guy anymore or any less for paying for sex. All I know is, I am way too good looking for that.
She needs to release the list to a file sharing network like Gnutella.
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2007 3:03:02 PM
Ulman's gotta be an idiot. this kinda squeeze play might have worked in private - but ABC has got the records. He's screwed.
Posted by: Thom | May 4, 2007 3:05:26 PM
If we really want to get into politics, this may actually be a welcome distraction for the administration. Is it worse to lie and cheat Americans into a needless war costing Trillions, 3300 deaths, and 30,000+ lives?
Posted by: Michael | May 4, 2007 3:07:31 PM
Dawn, how do you know what most conservatives do regarding their sex life?
Posted by: Sooner | May 4, 2007 3:07:35 PM
No she shouldn't go to jail...
Especially if the (Johns) are allowed to say "Yeah I had sex with the call girls"...The (Johns)knew it was illegal...hell are they not lawmakers themselves....LOL....but yet they go free....I am a Democrat....and frankly I dont care if its a Repub or Demo on the list.... Post ALL of the names... Our Men and Women are dying in a senseless war everyday... and these dirt bags are spending most tax dollars on so-called massages. Our Soldiers, Sailors, Troops, Marines and America deserve better representation...than these scum bags....no matter what party they represent... If there name is on the list, send them home if not to jail... and let the lady go free....
Posted by: R U Stupid | May 4, 2007 3:09:20 PM
I'm just wondering when the LWF's will start calling for the next Salem Witch Hunt. Burn them at the stake they say. Hypocrites.
Posted by: Sooner | May 4, 2007 3:09:26 PM
Sooner,
Just watch the news! They say it is immoral out of one side of their mouth and woo homosexual sex out of their interns.
Posted by: Michael | May 4, 2007 3:10:18 PM
I kind of thought this was about prostitution and well extortion. 4 months seems rather paltry and yer all being taken for a ride...
The "johns" are paying left and right and this dame will no doubt write a book a make a chunk of change off of the public's and law enforcement's stupidity.
THROW THE BOOK AT HER!
Posted by: Bill | May 4, 2007 3:10:51 PM
yeah, why does eveyone think ABC news has the only copy? ABC news is just a test run. They have a COPY of the list. This guy Ullman, is a complete moron thinking he can pull a Jason Giambi to the public trying to keep the other names quite (probably has some friends hes trying to save)
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2007 3:12:55 PM
I think the central reason why no one is interested in the Dems is b/c they are already being accused of 'destroying the moral fabric of America.' Where's the fun in seeing a person who is already being told that they have no morals being outed?
We want to see the hypocritical conservatives eat some crow meat when it comes out that they wake up Sunday morning to go to Church- they wake up next to a call girl!
Posted by: Ian | May 4, 2007 3:15:34 PM
The only moral government is a TRANSPARENT government. But we are too busy playing spy games instead of talking much less negotiating with our enemies.
Posted by: Michael | May 4, 2007 3:16:22 PM
The underlying issue here is the 'World's Oldest Profession.' The fact that prostitution is illegal in this day and age is ridiculous. Whether you agree with it or not, there's no way in this world or any other you're going to stop it.
Do what they've done in Nevada - legalize it, regulate it (mandatory condoms, periodic free health checks for the girls) and leave it be. If you support it, fine - if you don't, and it's against your morals, then don't patronize it.
Sex isn't going away, people. It's a part of life, and the fact that we attempt to make laws to regulate how, when, and where it's right or wrong (outside of child abuse and rape) for consenting adults is a mentality that should have died with the Crusades.
Posted by: Scott F. | May 4, 2007 3:18:16 PM
Walk away from it and don't look back
Lot
Posted by: Lot | May 4, 2007 3:19:20 PM
This is too funny....
You always hear the Rep talking about how marriage is a blessed union only to be shared and taken seriously between men and women. But they so HELL NO to same sex couples who only want to be acknowledged as a legal spouse. But yet here are the REPS...cheating on their wives, cheating on their BLESSED UNION. The HOMOSEXUALS should march on Washington, demanding whats only fair.
I love my family....but yet I am secretly calling the escort service for a massage...Can't your wife rub your back and give you a happy ending....FOR FREE.... STOP SPENDING TAX DOLLARS.....
Posted by: Huh... | May 4, 2007 3:20:03 PM
I think having an affair is wrong. I also think using a prostitution service is also wrong. So, I don't really care if someone is liberal or conservative. Wrong is wrong.
The most moronic argument I've seen is "see, the conservatives do it to!!" As if, A.) liberals don't try to tout themselves as good people (what, they just openly admit that they will have affairs and illicit sex and people should vote for them anyway?) or B.) just because one group does it, it makes it right?
Most importantly, the list hasn't even been released in entirity, so liberals AND conservatives alike are probably on this list.
Although the GOP is known to be more about family values and religion, it's as if democrat fans are claiming democrats care nothing about those things. THEY DON'T?? Well, I thought I was split ticket, but forget that if a dem isn't even going to pretend for a second that they care about morals and family values. Which, btw, I don't think is true.
So, dems out there should shut their trap so they don't make their party look so bad. I was hoping to vote for Obama. . . but maybe not if he openly could care less about family values. I would like to believe otherwise.
Posted by: Zamura | May 4, 2007 3:20:04 PM
I guess my point being is that Clinton was also a hypocrite to have an affair. Just as any person on that list likely will be. Democrat or Republican.
Posted by: Zamura | May 4, 2007 3:21:56 PM
Since it's out of the closet that he was a John...............he's had time to consult with his cronies and will probably tell the prosecution what they WANT to hear.....whether truth, or not. Seems like he originally "only" had massages. Now he's had sex. What happened between then & now? Did he return for more?
Posted by: Dave | May 4, 2007 3:23:21 PM
First of all, to whoever, mentioned it, it is highly unlikely that Ullman could be charged with soliciting -- the statute of limitations on any possible solicitiation is long passed. It would be like someone saying "yeah, I bought weed off that guy a couple years ago." You're not going to be charged with anything.
Second, Palfrey is delusional if she thinks solicitation is the same as violating RICO laws, which is what she's charged with. Sorry, Jeane, you're in this by yourself.
Finally, she and her whackjob attorney overreached on this. If I were one of these guys whose name she leaked, like Ullman I'd say, "So, you thought you could leak my name, ruin my career and then I'd help you by testifying that nothing happened. Well, guess what -- I got nothing to lose and I'm going to testify against you." I'll bet she feels pretty ill right now.
Posted by: LMAO | May 4, 2007 3:23:26 PM
These guys were not pay for sex....they were paying the women to shut up and LEAVE! That's not illegal!
Let her go!
Posted by: dean | May 4, 2007 3:24:05 PM
Zamura, finally someone that gets it. I agree with you 100%
Posted by: Sooner | May 4, 2007 3:25:11 PM
Who honestly feels shocked and offended if senior Beltway people are paying for sex from willing, adult professional sex workers? Yes, it's hypocritical and on that point, disturbing. But other than that, so what? These women were willing, adult professionals. This list will ruin careers of perhaps at least a few, talented, capable people. In Europe, this would be a mild scandal at most. But lives would not be ruined over it.
Posted by: Josh | May 4, 2007 3:26:48 PM
Enough is now known to turn this sex scandal into a sting that nets all the hookers and all the politicians. One and all have broken the law and each must be required to serve time in a federal pen or be executed. The madam and her crew can go to jail, her republican supporters should be juiced on the gurney.
Posted by: MaryLou Harper | May 4, 2007 3:28:17 PM
Bravo Scott F, BRAVO!!!!
Posted by: Mike W | May 4, 2007 3:31:47 PM
A politican/washington d.c. insider caught lying and paying for sex. Nope, I just don't believe that could EVER happen, not with our good, wholesome, family loving politicians.
Last time I checked you can't pay for sex, unless you're married, then you pay it all, save half and get divorced.
Posted by: slovak | May 4, 2007 3:45:25 PM
what?!? no one has blamed George Bush for this yet?!?!
Can't you see this is all his fault! If he didn't bring us into the illegal...ZZZ....
Posted by: abba dabba | May 4, 2007 3:46:48 PM
Michael's the only one who gets it. Make prostitution legal and free up law enforcement for 'real' crimes, like felonies, murders, drug busts. Sheesh. A lotta hullaballoo over nuttin. Ain't much different than a guy taking a girl out to an expensive restaurant and expecting to be compensated in the bedroom. Like the fella said, sex is never going away
Posted by: Piece of Class | May 4, 2007 3:48:35 PM
In every single city in this country there are dozens of escorts services. The police could easily bust any of them at any time BUT THEY DON'T.
So why this woman? Why only her?
If I was her I'd do the same thing by releasing the names of the Johns.
This country is full of hypocrites! Most of the Johns would be the 1st ones to vote against the legalization of prostitution.
The sexual repression in this country is frightening.
If you wanna prosecute escorts then prosecute them all. They are in the yellow pages.
Posted by: James | May 4, 2007 3:49:23 PM
There's something unseemly about going on a nookie hunt to uncover who got their pitards hoisted over the past thirteen years. It's only news if the the preponderance of clients include many of the right wing neocon hypocrits
who are morally bankrupt. But, I'm willing to bet that the nookie sales to Dems and Repubs balance out over the thirteen history of the enterprise.
Ronniebeans
Posted by: Ronniebeans | May 4, 2007 3:51:06 PM
Gee wasn't it Clinton who had a double extra sized bible made just so the cameras could be sure to pick it up during his church visits? Can't say ONLY republicans are phony bible pounders .
Posted by: Lee | May 4, 2007 3:51:21 PM
Mary Lou - you make my point!
Posted by: Deep-Thought | May 4, 2007 3:52:24 PM
To all of you Democrat libs that are attempting to make the point that republicans and conservatives had him impeached because of the Monica Lewinsky affair, you need to educate yourselves. Following is the actual reason:
WASHINGTON, Dec. 19 - William Jefferson Clinton was impeached on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice today by a divided House of Representatives, which recommended virtually along party lines that the Senate remove the nation's 42d President from office.
So you can stop salivating at the prospect of Republicans being named in the DC Madam case.
It appears that Clinton will only be judged for his adulterous actions by the one true judge and his sentance handed down through enternity
Posted by: jeff | May 4, 2007 3:52:57 PM
Like T.I. said, "Bring em out, bring em out!" Palfrey is no heroine, and is dragging this out for revenge, but if you we're stupid enough to use her service, you had to know in the back of your head that you might get caught. If you thought you were above it, you were playing yourself.
Wonder how many calls ABC News is taking from friends and cronies on the list. They say they're under legal pressue and whatnot, but you can truthfully say someone's office number shows up on a list, if in fact, someone's office number shows up on a list. Someone might say, "Well, you're making an accusation." You're not. You're just reporting that someone's number showed up on the list. It's not the press' job to explain how it got there. It's there. Report what's in front of you. You report, we decide. I know my number's not on the list ... if Congressman X's is, we have the right to ask how it got there.
Posted by: LAX | May 4, 2007 3:54:24 PM
What is the big deal? There are far more important issues this country should be dealing with, namely homeless men, women and children, child abuse, drug abuse, etc., etc. The money, time and effort spent digging and dragging this D.C. Madam issue over and over again could be put to better use. Wake-up!
Posted by: Kathy | May 4, 2007 3:55:23 PM
I love the comment that Bill Clinton didn't pay for it so that's the difference. Hmmm...let's see...Bill Clinton uses Monica as his semen dumping ground during work hours. If I do recall, the taxpayers paid both Bill and Monica's salary at the time. I don't remember requesting them to engage in sex on my dime. I guess that is the difference...WE paid for Bills follies.
Posted by: Matt | May 4, 2007 3:59:48 PM
Fred: You say "Clinton didn't pay, these guys paid. BIG difference as far as the law is concerned."
Clinton had sex in the workplace with an employee. BIG difference. Look up sexual harassment law.
Posted by: Tom | May 4, 2007 4:00:03 PM
It's funny. Dems are just as hypocrites just like Repubs. However Dems dont say we are about bringing morality back. then you find out evangilicals who supported them are having relationships with transvestites while smoking meth together, gop party members are trying to have sex with underage pages, now they paying for nookie. Wow this gets more and more ridiculous. not that dems are not about morals but we are also about being human which means you make mistakes in judgement. Repubs pass it off as if they do not make bad judgements, then when they get caught they say hey look at the dems they did it too.
Posted by: dre | May 4, 2007 4:00:29 PM
Jeff,
In MOST marriages in this country at least one of the people involved has at least a slight transgression: whether it be flirting, kissing, making out, or sex. Hell, half the marriages in this country end in divorce.
For you to proclaim, Clinton, who did not even have sex and managed to keep his marriage together "will only be judged for his adulterous actions by the one true judge and his sentance handed down through enternity"
makes you appear self righteous since you are proclaiming eternal sentences are handed out by your God to most of the people in this country for making even slight transgressions in their marriage.
Posted by: James | May 4, 2007 4:03:36 PM
DC chatter has it that many of these, ahem, massages, took place as payoffs by the Rep/K Street lobby cartel to pliant power brokers. If true, the action was certainly top heavy with bible thumping wingnuts. As for the notion that Dems will be equally represnted because '..they have sex too', yes we do, but we have it granted to us willingly, GOPers have to pay for it!
Posted by: Bill D. | May 4, 2007 4:03:52 PM
Don't know, but I wonder if Chandra Levy was involved with that service somehow? Seemed to be a coverup there.
On another note, Now I know why I couldn't get a legitimate job in DC despite great work resume. Not enough extracurricular activites.
Posted by: Jane Doe 2 | May 4, 2007 4:05:49 PM
OOOPS..I forgot..Clinton NEVER had sex with that woman..how sillllly of me!
Posted by: Eric | May 4, 2007 4:07:57 PM
Lezah said -- "The madam, the escorts and the clients are all conspirators here. ALL OR NONE, I SAY!"
It doesn't really matter what you say. It's what the law says that counts. And, as they say, ignorance of the law is no excuse (for ignorance).
Posted by: LMAO | May 4, 2007 4:09:04 PM
This is a non-story about adults who had no gripe about any aspect of their private transaction until the government got involved and it became a legal proceeding.
Some of the posters perhaps need a more measured response to a limited issue.
Posted by: Bob | May 4, 2007 4:09:23 PM
pretty bad "Mr. U" - when even the ladies of the evening don't want to be with you ...guess everyone earned their money those night.....other than amusing, this whole matter is not worth anyone's time......yet alone money!
Posted by: claudette | May 4, 2007 4:09:51 PM
The bottom line is it doesn't matter what party you belong to. Republicans and Democrats are all human and we make mistakes. Clinton cheated on his wife and so did these other men if they were married. If the ladies and guys involved are found guilty they should pay for the crime. I will give the person more credit if they come clean and admit their mistake. Most won't because those in Washington can't ever seem to find the word truth in a dictionary to understand what the definition means.
Posted by: Ben | May 4, 2007 4:11:43 PM
Come on, people. Illicit sex is not a bipartisan issue. It's an issue of men in power and women who resort to the sex trade to make money. Personally, I don't like either one.
Posted by: Lisa | May 4, 2007 4:11:50 PM
The leftists here shriek about Republican hypocracy, yet Clinton claimed to be pro feminist while being accussed by young single women (friends and associatites, not 'right wingers')of two rapes (one, Juanita Broderick, was aggravated rape) and approximately eight other sexual assaults, including acts committed while he was president. Hillary effectively served as his 'get away driver', working from the gutter to intimidate her husband's victims into not going to authorities when the crimes were committed. These were real, voilent sexual predations, not consenting acts between john and escort. And, by the way, as someone who dabbles in the world of high end escorts, many of their clients are well known, Hollywood types (e.g., Charlie Sheen), most of whom are leftists. So get off the high horse.
Posted by: DrP | May 4, 2007 4:12:14 PM
"ihabwap3" says of the conservatives,
"Well, now they can RIGHTFULLY claim they are the most corrupt,immoral hypocrites world wide.I hope they ALL go down in flames. "
--How lovely. And rather an exageration, wouldn't you say?! I hope you aren't that blinded by your vitriole.
Posted by: Duncan | May 4, 2007 4:12:26 PM
I find it interesting that there is this big assumption that all of Palfrey's clients were Republicans. She turned over more than 10,000 phone numbers and so far only two identities have been disclosed. Remember that Dick Morris was using an escort service when he was working in the White House for Clinton. Toe sucking was his fetish.
Now lets get equal here. I want not only the names of the clients but the whores as well. If it's time to ruin names and careers then lets ruin all. These "ladies' of the evening have gone on to higher profile jobs to include one who is a legal secretary for Vernon Jordan and Bob Schrum. Both staunch Democrats.
Posted by: Ric | May 4, 2007 4:13:29 PM
This is entire conversation is one very good way to do a gut check on the moral qualities of the participants. We regulate everything in this country already by establising laws regarding how individuals perform in relationships and positions of trust.
Currently, our laws are based on morals and traditions that involve fidelity in business, marriage, and performance of duties....why...because trustworthiness is a character trait ....either a person is trustworthy, or they are not.
If we are going to change the way we work with, live with, and govern each other...then please show me the better alternative and we can move toward that newer level of living...but this whole "prostitution is okay" argument is really the wrong argument. If the trust of a spouse, an employer or a country is extended to a person who is fundamentally dishonest...then that person ought to be removed from the position of trust ala Gingrich, Clinton, Jesse Jackson, Martin Luther King Jr., the many disgraced televangelists...and any person who professes a worthiness of trust through an oath and then breaks it....and their penance ought to be open and conspicuous so we can witness either a change of heart, or a declaration of continuity....
This isn't sensational because the left of the right are good or bad...
This is sensational because all of us have been lied to in the past by someone in a key position in our lives......and we'd like to see these folks get nailed to the wall so there can be some sence that "not everybody gets away with it.."
Elevate the conversation above hate for the left, the right or the current administration...and talk about change....either we change the system to accept adulterers, whores and liars in the open...or we search for people who can actually honor the public trust.
Screaming at each other is just a sign that we are poorly educated fools behaving in predictable patterns allowing the status quo to be maintained...and the guilty keep laughing all the way to the bank.
Posted by: Chris | May 4, 2007 4:13:58 PM
So far, the only names ABC has 'hinted' at are Republicans.
Can't you all realize that the full list will never be released by ABC?
If they out the Democrats on the list, they will lose the trust of all their 'anonynous' contacts and leakers who get them 'scoops'.
Posted by: Slip | May 4, 2007 4:15:23 PM
Jeff,
Allow me to proclaim your eternal sentence for judging others and claiming to speak for God.
Posted by: James | May 4, 2007 4:15:48 PM
Bob -- Regardless of the merits of the law, prostitution is illegal, and soliticiting prostitution is illegal. The public has a compelling interest to know which of our leaders feel they're above the law. (That includes private citizens who become public figures by advocating for particular issues of public concern -- i.e., lobbyists.) If they dislike the law, they can change it. That's one debate. But in theory in this country, you're not allowed to break the law selectively, regardless of whether it's a private transaction. It's far from a non-issue.
Posted by: LAX | May 4, 2007 4:15:56 PM
Adultery is not illegal. Prostitution is. So don't compare Clinton to the guys who hired the prostitutes.
And this really is a partisan issue, because the Republicans consistently and continuously advertise themselves as the "family values" party, even going so far in some cases to imply or explicitly state that Democrats lack morals. If Republicans have been hiring the prostitutes, it just proves what liars they are. It's like the molesting and gay priests, or the self-proclaimed Christians who bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion providers ... act all pious and tell us to follow religion's rules, but blatantly disregard them yourselves ? Freaking makes me sick.
Posted by: Amanda | May 4, 2007 4:16:54 PM
Slip, ABC is protecting both Dems and R's. You need friends on both sides.
Posted by: LAX | May 4, 2007 4:17:25 PM
This has little to do w/ a double standard at this point. In fact, it's comparable to punishing a drug dealer vs a drug user. Dealers go down harder. Get the big fish. In this case, they're going for the big smelly fish (something's rotten at her core, remember?). I'm laughing. Her plan is backfiring. She's being seen for what she truly is... a vindictive, desperate woman w/ too much makeup on her bloated face.
Posted by: Sandra | May 4, 2007 4:17:31 PM
I've been waiting a long time for
a juicy sex scandal like this. Thank
you abc
Posted by: Jake | May 4, 2007 4:18:10 PM
The Clinton thing wasn't about sex. It was about lying under oath in front of a Federal Grand Jury and convincing someone to sign a false afadavit. These were felony offenses that robbed a citizen of the U.S. their day in court. That is why he was impeached.
That aside, legalize prostitution and tax it. All client's names have to be submitted to the IRS. ]
Palfrey is a madam who ran a prostitution business. She can deny that their company policy would allow prostitution all she wants.
If she outs her Johns, she outs them. That would be a violation of client confidentiality. It doesn't change the fact that she was running hookers. I think she feels she can threaten her high profile, powerfully influencial political clients with being outed in the hopes that they will convince the government to drop charges against her.
Posted by: RUFREAKINGKIDDING | May 4, 2007 4:21:17 PM
Repubs caught in DC sex scandal..
CLINTON!
US Prosecutors fired for GOP politics
CLINTON!!
Iraq quagmire and lies
CLINTON!!
White House outs CIA agent
CLINTON!!
The GOP, out of ideas and excuses.
Posted by: Bill D. | May 4, 2007 4:21:45 PM
I agree with Lot's comment -- but I can't stop looking ba----
Lot's Wife
Posted by: Lot's Wife | May 4, 2007 4:22:54 PM
I bet that list ends up being 50/50 GOP & Dem - with small number of ladies on it too.....
Posted by: Will Ublowme | May 4, 2007 4:24:20 PM
Let me see Sooner, unless "my" memory is lacking . . .the entire Republican Party opened impeachment procedures against Clinton for this! So, why don't we at least prosecute and call for these people to be removed from office as well?--Stormtec
Moron Clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury, which is considered a high crime and misdemeanor. Had nothing to do about having sex it was the fact that he lied about having sex.
Posted by: Allen | May 4, 2007 4:24:47 PM
Allow me to say, that ALL men pay for sex one way or the other. Dinner and a movie, jewelry, if we aren't getting the goods neither are the men. So judge how you please, I say if you've got it flaunt it sister. I was told once that I should use my talents and abilities and do what I love for a living well now we know where that would get me - on the stand with Palfrey
Posted by: Lesa | May 4, 2007 4:25:02 PM
Ever think of how many names may be WOMEN on this list? nothing suprising any more.
Posted by: h t conger | May 4, 2007 4:26:01 PM
This is a country that was founded under rule of law. Law breakers should be judged all the same. The well placed
elite if a law breaker should be judged the same as common people. I exceptions are made for one group or class, then the law should be abolished for all.
Posted by: Eugene | May 4, 2007 4:29:37 PM
Lesa- false dilemma, but go with it if that's what you think. There's a difference between respectable, polite courtesy (getting to know someone first) and outright bribery for sex, don't you think?
Posted by: LAX | May 4, 2007 4:29:45 PM
Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican. Most here could find a way, however convoluted, to turn just about any news story in to a juvenile, partisan talking points forum (see above). We're a few hours away from hearing a small fraction of a very long list but most Democrats posting here swear all the Johns are likely to be Republicans because the first to be named, was a Republican. Will the same Lefties be back here to apologize when it's revealed there are just as many or more of their liberal friends on the list? Not likely. Ain't the anonymity of the web great (if your a partisan hack)?
My name is Joseph Crowley, I'm a card-carrying Republican and damn proud of both!
Posted by: Joseph Crowley | May 4, 2007 4:30:12 PM
Amanda -- what about those Republicans who are conservative on fiscal issues, but "family values" issues? Or what about Democrats who are strong "family values" supporters (a lot of them beat Republicans in November)? I'm confused. Are you just looking for anyone with an R next to their names?
Posted by: LMAO | May 4, 2007 4:33:30 PM
All of you need to get the significance of the statement by professional hookers that this man was an "unpleasant person" as they refused to service him a second time. Most of the bush and cheney cabal of losers like this cat are as unpleasant as this world has ever produced. And the MAINSCREAM media like the Rev.Moons' WHITEWASHINGTON TIMES SHILL RAG supped on this mans fruition, eh?????
Posted by: frodaddy | May 4, 2007 4:35:54 PM
Joseph,
As many have already pointed out Democrats don't go around high fiving Jesus everytime they speak. Also the Democratic party is made up of intelligent forgiving people who wouldn't judge our leaders for transgressions most of us are guilty of.
The Republicans will hang their own leaders because it's a party made up of judgemental hypocrits.
Posted by: James | May 4, 2007 4:37:45 PM
Amanda -- what about those Republicans who are conservative on fiscal issues, but not on "family values" issues? Or what about Democrats who are strong "family values" supporters (a lot of them beat Republicans in November)? I'm confused. Are you just looking for anyone with an R next to their names?
Posted by: LMAO | May 4, 2007 4:38:46 PM
To the ONES who are ranting about Republicans. Barney Fwank lived with a male hooker who ran a gay prostitution ring out of Fwank's condo. Garry Studds,(there's a misnomer, if there ever was one) admitted to having sex with a male page. Studds was given a standing ovation by the House when he returned after his censure. And yes, Bubba was a rapist, and sexual

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