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Investigator: 'High-Value Targets' Imprisoned by High-Level 'Cover-up'
June 08, 2007 6:09 PM
The CIA's secret prisons for the U.S. "high-value detainee" program existed because of the "secrecy, cover-up and dishonesty" of high-level European officials, Swiss Sen. Dick Marty said today.
"We have sufficient grounds to declare that the highest state authorities were aware of the CIA's illegal activities on their territories," Marty, who led the Council of Europe's investigation into the CIA's rendition program, said in the 72-page report .
Thirty current and former CIA and European intelligence officers provided overwhelming proof that the Szymany airport in Poland and the Air Force Base at Mihail Kogalniceanu Airfield in Romania served as the two locations for the CIA secret prisons, according to the report.
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The investigators found that the CIA planes out of Afghanistan would file phony flight plans as if they were heading to Glasgow, Scotland. But over Poland, the planes would veer off, something the investigators discovered by matching the tail numbers of the CIA planes with local flight records.
As first reported by ABC News in December 2005, "high-value detainees," including al Qaeda commander Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, who investigators say was one of the most prominent inmates at the Szymany facility, were held in these secret facilities and subjected to the harshest interrogation techniques in the CIA's arsenal, the so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" authorized for use by about 14 CIA officers.
"It is an amazing amount of human rights abuses that have been taken place with the knowledge of huge numbers of people for long years," said Veronica Szente Goldstone of Human Rights Watch, "and the truth has to come out."
Today's report came on the same day that President Bush met with Poland's new president, Lech Kaczynzki. Neither man mentioned the report, and Polish officials dismissed it as pure political fiction.
The spokesman for Romania's Defense Ministry flatly denied the report's findings. "This is nonsense," Lt. Col. Liviu Flutur said. "We have no knowledge of this."
The report also concluded the U.S. put heavy pressure on both Poland and Romania, who "were economically vulnerable" and dependent on American support "for their strategic development," to house the secret CIA prisons.
Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld visited the Romanian air base where the prison had been set up in 2004. The report also says there was a quid pro quo: the U.S. promised to help Romania get into NATO as part of a secret agreement.
Like Poland and Romania, the CIA dismissed the report finding the spy agency committed "a whole series of illegal acts," but stopped short of specifically denying the report's central allegations.
"The CIA's counterterror operations have been lawful, effective, closely reviewed and of benefit to many people -- including Europeans -- in disrupting plots and saving lives," the CIA spokesperson said in a statement to the Blotter on ABCNews.com.
The prisons were closed one-and-a-half years ago when the existence of the operations became known. Most of their inmates are now imprisoned at Guantanamo Base, Cuba.
June 8, 2007 in CIA Secret Prisons | Permalink | User Comments (48)
Thank you Brian Ross for exposing this dreadful issue of torture. Keep up the good work!!!
Posted by: David Vantasil | Jun 8, 2007 7:28:58 PM
These people are trying to kill Americans and Europeans alike. I couldn't care less that they have been "mistreated".
Posted by: Chris | Jun 8, 2007 7:34:52 PM
I wonder if we will ever find out whether ANY of the prisoners subjected to torture ever divulged a serious, genuine planned attack. Given the level of failure in this administration to support any of its dire predictions/allegations, I'm guessing they're just spinning to make this heinous program look like a success when, in fact, it's just more rights-violating boondoggle that has lowered all Americans in the eyes of the world...far more damaging than a terrorist attack, being isolated in the world with little respect or support has weakened America everywhere, not just in the Middle East.
Posted by: windrider | Jun 8, 2007 7:39:09 PM
There is nothing wrong with secret prisons, Stalin had them, Hitler had them, why can the United States have them.
Posted by: Dan | Jun 8, 2007 7:56:15 PM
This Government would be better off telling the truth, we don't believe the lies and cover ups any longer. You can't hide any longer.
Posted by: Patriot 2007 | Jun 8, 2007 8:01:09 PM
What happens at Gitmo, stays at Gitmo
Posted by: ANNBERETTA | Jun 8, 2007 8:24:16 PM
Good. Terrorists who kill innocents, including children and hide behind religion do not deserve any better. I, as one American do not care about abuses. Find them and get the information necessary, any way.
Posted by: Brad Harris | Jun 8, 2007 9:40:04 PM
I wonder if ever found out from this terrorists anything just by asking for the info. And for Dan, if you compare the U.S. government with the govenment of old Russia and the Nazis, you are killing again all of those killed in the Nazi camps and in the Siberian camps. You're either an ignorant that hasn't read a page of any history books, or a radical like Ahmadinejad. In either case, you should be ashamed of yourself. You don't know anything about pain and suffering of millions, in Russia of many generations. Turn off the radio and the TV and pick up a book or if that's too hard for you just shut up...you're torturing / killing the over again.
Posted by: Joe | Jun 8, 2007 9:57:06 PM
Hitler KILLED out of racism, Stalin KILLED against freedom and democracy, U.S. is using SECRET PRISONS to defend our land (9/11 for those with short memory) and way of life. Hope that you're not or never be parent.
Posted by: Bill | Jun 8, 2007 10:08:40 PM
When did it become O.K. to become them.
Posted by: maxsinn | Jun 8, 2007 10:29:03 PM
Hmmm.....if it's OK to do it, why try to hide it? Is there any strategic advantage in keeping such behavior secret? Some might say it's so "they won't know we know," but does anyone really think those meaning to do us harm won't re-think thier plans when a co-conspirator is captured? Maybe they're not that smart. Why does the US hide this sort of behavior? To avoid the appearance of hypocrisy. What's the outcome when the information comes out? The appearance of hypocrisy.
Wikipedia definition: Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, virtues and feelings that one does not truly possess. The word derives from the late Latin hypocrisis and Greek hupokrisis both meaning play-acting or pretence. The word is arguably derived from hypo- meaning small, + krinein meaning to decide/to dispute. A classic example of a hypocritical act is to denounce another for carrying out some action whilst carrying out the same action oneself.
Posted by: mountainfast | Jun 8, 2007 10:52:02 PM
Defending one's country by any means it's a duty that you'll never understand from your confortable universe. Get out of your cacoon and be gratefull for those who put their live in danger for you to watch TV. I bet you wouldn't put your live in danger to save a woman been rubbed. Just think a bit about that. I'm a naturalized american, but if you don't mind me asking you...where did you learn english? KILLING innocent poeple DOES NOT equal secret prisons. And to mountainfast read your made up definition and read your post again, where is the hypocrasy? We're just trying to defend ourselves, yea by any means, because people like you would hide under your bedswhen the tough get tougher. So many kids have lost their lives so you can sip from your wine and take your vitimins. They have something you'll never have, because you can't buy it at the foo foo shops. They know something that you don't know because you live a selfish live. Don't go to see the movie "300", don't waste your time and money, you'll NEVER understand!!!!
Posted by: Bill | Jun 9, 2007 12:06:54 AM
...you'd be surprised how fast the outrage disappears if we get clobbered by another 9-11 scenario. Yeah, sure, everybody is aghast at this...but I'm wondering how many are showing indignation to soothe their own consciences...
Posted by: Bill | Jun 9, 2007 12:51:02 AM
Take a breath, Bill - first of all, I'm just saying that it's hypocritical to righteously claim "we don't torture," then have it turn out that we've been doing so. I'd be fine with it if our government said, "we'll do WHATEVER we need to do to protect our people." I simply have a problem with the hypocritical aspect.
Secondly, I don't sip wine, I don't take vitamins, and I've never been to a foo-foo shop. I'm a wildland firefighter, and am not accustomed to hiding under a bed when things get warm. You have every right to be insulting, but it doesn't become you.
Congratulations on being a naturalized US citizen - please try to remember, though, that a citizen's responsibility to express disagreement with the government is one of the many freedoms our military has bled for since our nation's inception.
Sheep make good subjects, not good citizens.
The movie "300" was very entertaining, and has value in being so. If you're interested in the history behind it, try reading Herodotus.
Posted by: Mountainfast | Jun 9, 2007 12:54:44 AM
Thanks again to Brian Ross. Isn`t Poland where all those WWII Concentration Camps were?
Posted by: A Viet Nam Vet | Jun 9, 2007 1:13:51 AM
Let's see, did we learn anything when we tortured and killed the Native Americans out of their land? When the Japanese Americans were put in camps after Pearl Harbour? Slavery? ....apparently NOT.
Posted by: impeachbush999 | Jun 9, 2007 4:22:55 AM
Some things never change. Hitler would have loved this secret "detainee" concept, he would have admired Bush/Cheney.
Posted by: impeachbush999 | Jun 9, 2007 4:24:15 AM
Bill, you have some real anger issues, as well as being verbally abusive. You make suppositions about Mountainfast's character and behavior based solely on his statements and personal viewpoints. Personal attacks like that just make you look nasty.
IF the US does, in fact, have these secret prisons, then the US is breaking international law. You and others can justify it until Hell freezes over, but it is still illegal. ILLEGAL. Get it?
Posted by: EDJ | Jun 9, 2007 4:26:55 AM
3,500 men and women did not die for you and I and this country, they died for nothing. I don't like having to say that but it's true. Iraq was not a threat to any of us and was not a haven for terrorists until we invaded a soverign country for no cause at all. Which is by the way illegal. Bush and Cheney should be tried for war crimes and impeached for all the high crimes and misdemeanors they have done.
Posted by: shane | Jun 9, 2007 7:39:48 AM
Well i guess gassing a few thousand of your own people, invading two neighboring countries, executing your rivals ( some in wood chippers feet first on video ) thumbing your nose at the U.N., and responsible for a few million deaths over the decades...na, he wasnt bad to the pacifist left..its ok to do all that..just as long as they keep republicans from doing anything about it. Liberals are used to defending our enemies since vietnam. You know, like poster girl liberal Jane Fonda on the AAA gun.
Posted by: annberetta | Jun 9, 2007 9:13:22 AM
there are a lot of bad leaders in this world that have done really bad things but we have not invaded their country. Isreal thumbs it's nose at the UN quite a bit. Iraq was NOT a treat to us and as for invading it's neighbors, the first Iraq war took care of that. The only thing the 3500 soldiers died for was oil..we had no right to invade iraq.
Posted by: larry | Jun 9, 2007 10:08:30 AM
Where was those Human Right Activist when 3,000 plus American perished during the 9/11 attacks, where are they when an innocent American business man was beheaded by the same cowards they are defending, why don't they investigation when a journalist Daniel Pearl was tortured and beheaded by the same terrorist? Yeah go ahead and complain human abuse....when the CIA are doing their part to defend and safe more innocent lives. I may sacrifice to save thousands or million of American lives. We need more Jack Bauer in the field.....
Posted by: Jude | Jun 9, 2007 11:15:54 AM
Jude...Jack Bauer is not real...Wake UP!!!! Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11...get your head out of the sand and stop drinking the bush/cheny kool aid.
Posted by: larry | Jun 9, 2007 11:39:33 AM
I just wanted to remind impeachbush999 that the Native American's are a conquered people. If you feel that badly about how the US took their land, and how evil the US is, you can start by giving up all your land, wealth, money, assets, or whatever else you own to the nearest tribe or reservation. While you’re at it, you can give up your US citizenship and move to Iran. I'm sure you'll be at home there.
Posted by: AmericaRules | Jun 9, 2007 11:45:26 AM
You guys compare the Nazis and Stalin's government to ours, you compare torture and beheadings with secret prisons. There is no cure for your sick minds. The millions that were tortured in Germany and Russia alone are angry as I am..."Bill, you have some real anger issues" You guys are lost for good. I see that all of those statements you guys made are political ploys to get one of your politicians in the White House. But please, please, don't do it on the backs of so many millions that were reduced to skin and bones before they were gased, or on the backs of millions tortured and killed by Stalin. Don't do it for Hillary, don't do it for ANY one. You are loosing your credibility. So Bush won the White House twice, so what. I never voted for him. Put it behind you. But don't twist reality for your trivial goals. How can you even write such insults..."3,500 men and women did not die for you and I and this country, they died for nothing." You people have lost the last bit of humanity. You sound like the cowards that run to Canada during the Vietnam war. I hope that this country will never be attacked by another nation, because you would throw your hands in the air faster then the french army. Freedom has to be defended at all times not only when there is a democrat in the White House. I was not born in this country, but I would defend it just as if I were. Because it was my choice to live here. For you, your taking it for granted. All over the world, I southeast Asia, in south America, in eastern Europe, in Africa and yeah even in middle east, people gave up and are still giving up their live for freedom, now and for hundreds of years. My question to you is, what would you do for freedom? Would you give up your stocks, your SUVs, your plasma TV, how about your life? Words are very easy to throw around, but please think about what you say, they can hurt more then a bullet.
Posted by: Bill | Jun 9, 2007 12:27:58 PM
Oh, and to EDJ, ILLEGAL I got it, but morally right YOU don't get it.
Posted by: Bill | Jun 9, 2007 12:42:20 PM
Anyone should be able to understand that the only way you can ever win a war on terrorism is to demolish the enemies' recruitment base. If we had in our possession, all the ordinance on Earth, we could still never bomb and shoot our way to victory.
That said, it should be just as easy for anyone of any political alignment to understand that until we can boast to the world that we never torture, until we are so unwaveringly dedicated to human rights, to not debasing ourselves or our way of life through abuse, until it's clear (as it once was) to the world, that America is something apart and above all of that -- until we can accomplish this, we will never make a dent in their recruitment base, and we will never be done with this war.
Posted by: Ben | Jun 9, 2007 1:29:45 PM
It's amazing what people will tolerate when they're frightened... and you can almost smell the fear in a lot of the comments which approve of "anything goes" when it comes to our paranoid "war on terror".
I'm ashamed to note that a lot of these gutless wonders are fellow countrymen of mine right here in the Land of the Free, Home of the not-so-Brave.
Posted by: Dutch | Jun 9, 2007 1:43:06 PM
Bill refresh my memory....what country attacked us?
Posted by: larry | Jun 9, 2007 2:32:25 PM
There are plenty of people in this world having their human rights violated everyday, I don't see any use in wasting anyones time or energy on detainees when people who were never given a choice in life need the attention.
Posted by: dana | Jun 9, 2007 2:55:30 PM
Larry, thank god that no country attacked us yet, because with guys like you and Dutch there will be a 5 minute war. Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden is not a country . Hey Dutch, I've seen frightened people..jumping from the Twin Towers, did you "almost smell the fear" in Daniel Pearl and many others innocent Americans, Iraqis, Japanese, Filipinos and many others before been beheaded. That is fear. This what you smell coming from me is something else that does not exist in your vocabulary. You use the word "gutless": Lacking courage or drive, lacking substance; weak or insignificant, I couldn't put it better myself. Read all the blog entries above and you decide. You guys are out of touch with reality. I hope your lady Hillary will take the White House, maybe that will bring some sense to you. You're motivated by who's in power and forget the essentials. There is no king without a country.
Posted by: Bill | Jun 9, 2007 3:30:18 PM
Meant to say "These are definitely NOT innocent individuals".
Posted by: Bill | Jun 9, 2007 4:52:05 PM
Anyone suprised not me I knew of this type of action for years. It is not something new.
Posted by: ant | Jun 10, 2007 10:40:08 AM
Can we talk about things we know nothing about ?
Can we talk about why other people are trying to kill us and each other ?
Can we sit at home and think about what our next step in life will be ?
Can we argue about who is right and wrong without fear of gettin beheaded ?
If you answered yes to all the above you can thank this place called America and the people that die everyday for it.
Posted by: Tracy | Jun 10, 2007 1:24:42 PM
Hussein may not have been a member of Al Qaeda, but he did in fact harbor a number of them and give them support within Iraq. He was attempting to find enriched uranium in Africa...in contrast to what Valerie Plame's husband tried to sell in the NY Times article. If people were as against these terror squads as much as they were against Bush, we'd have won by now...the terrorists think that they can sway public opinion back here and win ... and the liberals fall for it constantly. Probably the same crowd that is facinated with what Paris Hilton is up to.
Posted by: Will | Jun 10, 2007 4:31:59 PM
I love the comments from the bleeding liberals. Wake up you bastards, these people are trying to kill us! I could give a damn about them. I hope the CIA puts their feet in boiling oil to get information that may save one American.
Posted by: steve | Jun 10, 2007 8:46:23 PM
We traded Article V for this!!! We could have shipped these guys anywhere in the world and NATO was the quid pro quo in our negotiation!
This administration values nothing of value. The Constitution, our alliances overseas, the only multilateral organization that actually works, the truth...
The amount of damage that this administration and the neoconservatives have done in just six years is staggering. I thought that Lyndon Johnson would be difficult to beat considering Great Society and Vietnam, but the Bush Administration has eclipsed even him. Absolutely amazing!
Posted by: Ed Nashton | Jun 11, 2007 8:37:31 AM
Any chance ABC would post the CIA's full statement?
Posted by: one source | Jun 11, 2007 11:36:04 AM
"Dr. Mengele NAZI"..."NAZI inspired abuses"..."torture of innocent American's, including children, inspired by psycho NAZI's"..."Gov't Gestapo Goons used D4 tactics"..."your KKK ways"..."Go put on a white sheet and go to hell with the rest of the bigots, Pharisees, and Cains"..."selling short' day before 9-11, e-mails were received by certain people in Twin Towers the day before"...these are all great points that I was never thought about. You guys are right, you won this debate. This is a lot worse then my old communist country, this is worse then "1984". Now I know why for the last 20 years there were 1 million immigrants(like me)coming to this country from all over the world to settle here...they are all Nazi sympathisers. They all want to torture some. If my old country will take me back I guess I'll go back without my white sheet, I can't live in this horrible country anymore. You guys are master debaters and I want to thank you for opening my blind eyes. I know that I wasn't seeing the forest for the trees. I thought that our government was twisting all of the UN leaders minds, but no, today I found out that our government was twisting arms. And all this for oil. Just so we get free oil so we pay again .99 per gallon. I challenge all of the above bright minds follow my example and leave this horrible country. I've been healed!!! Alleluya!!! Hope that I didn't get CIA upset at me to go after me to torture me.
Posted by: Bill | Jun 11, 2007 1:43:53 PM
I don't see how this is news. CIA has been detaining people like this since the 50's. The so-called "torture" being employed against these people have been documented CIA procedure since the Kennedy administration. The only difference between then and now is that back then, nobody knew and nobody asked.
If you want your big-screen TV's, minivans and 3000-sq-ft homes; if you want your kids to get to school without being shot at, kidnapped or blown up, this is part of the price you have to pay. Are you willing to pay it? If not, get out. Our borders are open, and I'm sure a country without the blood of millions staining its history will be more than happy to take you in. Good luck finding one.
Posted by: Steve | Jun 11, 2007 4:19:46 PM
I hope they pull their fingernails out at the minimum. I could care less about secret jails - they deserve all they get and more! It's time to give up all this political correctness - it's for sissys!
Posted by: Lynn Bertrand | Jun 11, 2007 4:30:42 PM
If the choice is between letting these guys go and shooting them, I am for shooting them.
Seems to me they have gotten off lightly.
We should help the European nations who helped us and ignore the rest.
Posted by: lenw9 | Jun 11, 2007 8:08:53 PM
What the heck is all this talk back and forth about? The issue is so simple. Those involved in the rendition and those who authorized their lawbreaking activity acted without any kind of legal authority, or protection and should suffer the harsh consequences for their obvious crimes.
It appears as though the hawks in the Bush administration desperate to squeeze information from suspected terrorists, or perhaps even in some cases prevent witnesses to their own misconduct from sharing what they knew with the rest of us, created secret prisons.
These prisons provided safe havens where the administration's henchmen could without detection circumvent domestic law, international law and cruelly ignore the Geneva Convention.
Will anyone do anything about the well publicized violations? Doubtfully, I think the bad guys just might be in charge.
Posted by: SA | Jun 11, 2007 9:29:47 PM
I found this blog by accident. I started to read it. I then was absolutely amazed by some of the grossly inaccurate, hysterical comments that were made from both sides of the aisle. Misinformation is a leading cause of misunderstandings. I truly beleive that our so-called leaders are grossly neglegent in the amount of misinformation they slather that most of our citizens lap up as though it came right from God's lips.
From the beginning, out leaders have attempted to recreate the home-front attitude of WWII; a sense of national sacrifice and a will to see this thing through to the end. The only problem is that this is not WWII! Americans are better informed about what really goes on. I truly beleive the Repubs are a bit upset that there are more critical thinkers in this nation than there were during WWII.
We were not attcked by a country with a different world view than ours. We sustained a horrific terrorist action by a small group of religious/political fanatics who've hijacked one of the worlds great religions. In no way was 9-11 any comparision to Pearl Harbor. No way. The paralells simply does not exist. Don't try to connect any dots between the two; there aren't any.
Saddam Hussein lorded it over what was once a secular nation. He despised Osama Bin Laden and his operatives. Even the 9-11 Commission Report has confirmed that Iraq did not habor any so-called terrorist or weapons of mass destruction. Yet, G W Bush insisted and maintained that these were the primary reasons that he took us to war. He maintained that Saddam Hussein was threat to the entire Middle east and that he denied Iraqi's their basic human rights as people while gassing anyone who disagreed with him.
Oh, really? For those of you who don't know, yes, Saddam Hussein did, in fact, gas the Kurds. That is indisputable. But he didn't gas them for nothing...The Kurds were in an active state of open rebellion against the Baghdad government. The Kurds also actively ran anti-Iraqi operations during the Iraqi-Iranian war. Iranians commando's luanched several operations deep into northern Iraq from bases in Kurdistan. Were any of you aware of that? After one particularly devastating raid by Iranian commando's, Saddam Hussein issued orders to solve the problem. Want to know the ultimate irony in this trajedy? Saddam Hussein's commanders used chemical weapons provided him by the U.S. government (Pres. George Herbert Walker Bush) for use against the Iranians.
Now, as the leader of a country with a significant portion of your population in open rebellion against the established government, what would you have done? Abraham Lincoln ordered his Generals to crush the Rebels. And that is what they did. Utterly. closely examine history. In any country engaged in a civil war, one side utterly smashes the other. there is no in between. So, similingly use this example as a reason to invade a souvereign nation that has harmed us in abosultely no way is about as disingenuous as a leader can get. People see through it. So you move on to other examples. Like bringing democracy and freedom to a troubled region. Only problem is, democracy and freedom are evolutionary standards. it is not instant. Our own history should remind us of that. A Civil War. Freedom for the slaves? Black Americans had to wait until 1965 before American Apartied officially ended. how long does anyone think it's going to take in Iraq?
No, folks. This is not a war of necessity. It is not even a "just war," contrary to Sean hannity and Rush Limbaugh. It is, however, an egregious war of choice. We are attempting to force change on a portion of the war that we would to see become a bit more like us. Only problem is, they would rather be who they are then who we want them to be. A lot of us get this. An equal number do not. They cannot understand why other people in other parts of the world don't want to be like us. This very often confuses them and makes them angry. Their solution? Bomb and kill anyone who disagrees with their view of the world. George Bush, Dick Cheney and Osama Bin Laden operate with the same standard. thus we have arrived at where we are now.
The best solution to this unncessary mess is just leave and let the iraqi's sort out their own mess. But that won't happen. Want to know why? Because the Shite's are at a moment in thier history when they will finally be in charge of thier own country. They will not let this moment slip away, no matter what the Repubs, Dems, Rice or Cheney want. The Shite's want Iraq for Shia iraqi's. For them, thier moment has come. And when it does come, which it will, no matter what we try to do, they will sell thier oil to whomever they want to, which may or may not include us.
Wake up, folks. te real reason for this war is easy access to oil. Pure and simple. If war is necessary to restore a measure of diginity to human rights, as has so often been alluded to by our leaders, then why haven't we invaded Sudanese-Darfur? Could it be that Sudanese-Darfur has no oil? If restoration of human right s and dignity are what this war is really all about, why haven't we socked it to North Korean? Could it be that North Korea has no oil? Or more importantly, they do have WMD's.
Sheep make good cutlets. But not good people...
That's the end of my rant.
Posted by: Doug M. | Jun 13, 2007 9:57:53 AM
Oh, and by the way, before some of you start with the insults, 1st Cav, 2nd Batt, 5th Brigade, Bravo Co., Republic of Vietnam, 1969-70.
Posted by: Doug M. | Jun 13, 2007 10:06:13 AM
In the greater scheme of things, with regard to this administration, why did the people of character walk from Bush as fast as they could? Character counts for something. Colin Powell. Richard Clarke. Armitaige. And a host of other officials who have declared with thier feet that they "want no part of this farce..." And they refuse to allow history to associate them with the current set of idiots in the White House.
This whole thing is...is ridiculous. it is doing unsurmontable harm to our goals and our image. We won't recover from this anytime soon...
Posted by: Doug M | Jun 13, 2007 12:11:59 PM
Do what it takes to protect the homeland.
Posted by: Todd R | Jun 14, 2007 1:40:16 PM
If our government is capable of kidnapping, torture, and murdering of citizens of other countries, it doesn't make me so sure that in the event of a tragedy in our country, they wouldn't declare martial law and send us all to secret prisons or FEMA camps here in the land of freedom and democracy. Google search - civilian inmate labor program.
Posted by: Bombshell | Jun 19, 2007 8:08:47 AM
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