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How the CIA Broke the 9/11 Attacks Mastermind

September 13, 2007 4:09 PM

Howtheciabro_mn When Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was strapped down to the water-board, he felt humiliated -- not by the treatment but by the fact that a woman, a red-headed CIA supervisor, was allowed to witness the spectacle, a former intelligence officer told ABC News.

This story has been updated (see endnote).

The al Qaeda mastermind, known as KSM, stubbornly held out for about two minutes -- far longer than any of the other "high-value" terror targets who were subjected to the technique, the harshest from a list of six techniques approved for use by the CIA and Bush administration lawyers, sources said.

Then KSM started talking, in idiomatic English he learned as a high school foreign exchange student and polished at a North Carolina college in the 1980s, sources said.

"It was an extraordinary amount of time for him to hold out," one former CIA officer told ABCNews.com. "A red-headed female supervisor was in the room when he was being water-boarded. It was humiliating to him. So he held out."

"Then he started talking, and he never stopped," this former officer said. KSM was never water-boarded again, and in hours and hours of conversation with his interrogators, often over a cup of tea, he poured out his soul and the murderous deeds he committed.

"He was sitting across the table from his interrogator, and he just blurted out, 'I killed Daniel Pearl. I killed him Hahal (slit his throat in a ritual fashion).' There was no water-boarding, no belly slapping; just two guys sitting across the table having a cup of tea."

Water-boarding consists of strapping an individual to an inclined board with the person's head slightly lower than the feet and pouring water over the face to simulate drowning. It triggers a gag reflex and can make a person believe death is near. Water-boarding has been denounced as "torture" by human rights groups and many U.S. officials, including Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who likened it to a mock execution.

A current CIA official says that KSM actually told interrogators the only reason he confessed was because of the water-boarding.

But what if that one episode of water-boarding KSM had not occurred? It is a question at the center of the debate over the harshest technique in the CIA's repertoire that has raged for three years now, a time frame, intelligence officials note, in which the technique has not been used.

Would the agency have eventually worn KSM down? Would the confessions have poured forth about Daniel Pearl's beheading, about his role in the 1995 plot by his nephew, master bomber Ramzi Yousef, to assassinate Pope John Paul II during a visit to Manila, and detailed information about his role as mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks?

In the case of 9/11, U.S. intelligence officials were in the dark as to how exactly it was plotted because at the time KSM brought the idea to Osama bin Laden, the al Qaeda terrorist leader had just stopped using mobile telephones after media reports raised suspicions they were monitored by U.S. intelligence.

"If one water-board session got him to talk, you could have gotten him to talk (without it), given time and patience," said Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant and former FBI agent. Garrett has 30 years of experience interrogating terrorists such as Yousef, the Pakistani man who killed two CIA employees at the gates to the agency's Langley, Va. headquarters in 1994 and hundreds of violent criminals. 

"If in fact it's true that they water-boarded him once and then he started talking and provided reliable information, then he falls under the category of the small minority of people on whom it works. But torture seldom works. Most people start talking...to get the pain to stop," Garrett said.

But in many cases, the harsh intelligence techniques led to questionable confessions and downright lies, say officers with firsthand knowledge of the program. That included statements that al Qaeda was building dirty bombs.

"It is true that the person who was saying the nuke stuff said it under pressure. The analysts believed it was not true; it did not conform to other information," one former intelligence officer told ABC News.

As these targets were subjected to the increasingly harsh interrogation methods -- in some cases including water-boarding -- KSM sat in his cell in Poland, writing poetry in English, writing letters to the president and to the head of the CIA, and debating the merits of Christianity and Islam with his captor.

"Using torture says that we aren't any better than countries that historically tortured people. What are we telling the world about the United States?" Garrett, who has lectured on the subject of interrogation and torture and the perception of a nation, asked.

And just yesterday, an intelligence source told ABC News that the dapper man behind the most successful terror plot against America was not rumpled and disheveled when he was apprehended. He was as well-kept as ever.

But the CIA, conscious of the propaganda value of appearance, messed his hair and pulled his shirt from his pants, leaving us with the image of KSM we have today, and according to days of NSA intercepts, leaving his fellow al Qaeda terrorists chagrined over the changes to their esteemed colleague. 

UPDATE: U.S. Government documents released in April 2009 indicate the statement that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was never waterboarded again was incorrect. In fact, according to a footnote in newly released, previously classified "Top Secret" memos, the CIA used the waterboard "183 times during March 2003 in the interrogation of KSM."

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This kind of torture and human rights violations make me ashamed of America. I always believed we were better than the terrorists; in fact we are terrorists. How sad.

Posted by: LaDonna Albanese | Sep 13, 2007 4:30:34 PM

So the "Mastermind of 9/11" felt humiliated? Boo hoo.

Posted by: dks0442 | Sep 13, 2007 4:35:46 PM

We're all going to hell, you know that right? You, Me, G.W.B., Osama, the Clintons, Paris Hilton, Putin, Kim Jong IL, all of us. Human beings are such sick twisted creatures... I don't think we'll last to see the turn of the next century anyhow.

Posted by: Dave | Sep 13, 2007 4:39:25 PM

Thanks for the propoganda justifying torture,ABC lap-dogs.

Posted by: scott | Sep 13, 2007 4:40:08 PM

How many Americans can truely say they are proud of their country for this?

Posted by: born_7-4 | Sep 13, 2007 4:43:45 PM

Who give a crap about how he attained the "Disheveled" appearance. He's going down and that's all there is to it.

Posted by: emsaund | Sep 13, 2007 4:45:53 PM

Good for them. He should suffer.

Posted by: Gary | Sep 13, 2007 4:46:51 PM

So the Mastermind of 9/11-- which killed thousands-- felt "humiliated?" Boo hoo.

Posted by: dks0442 | Sep 13, 2007 4:50:25 PM

So? Water board away.

Posted by: Scott Hutchings | Sep 13, 2007 4:53:27 PM

Why should be worry about Human Rights with this terrorists. -Do they care about the human rights of their victims ???. If a red haired woman presence was able to make him talk, put a red haired woman to interrogate each and all this criminals...They relinquished their human rights by acting against society.

Posted by: O. Arenas MD | Sep 13, 2007 4:56:29 PM

I think we are telling other countries exactly what they need to hear. If you mess with us and murder our citizens don't expect a danish and cup of coffee when we catch you and want answers. We have been cowering little lambs in the eyes of these people for too long.

Posted by: Chris | Sep 13, 2007 4:58:55 PM

Notice how the left never mentions the capture of this man? This guy was probably more important than the formerly alive, now dead, fake videos wanna be tupac/biggie, bin laden, but the left chants, "6 yrs later, no bin laden." First of all it's been 14 yrs, obl first attacked 2/26/93. Second of all, he attacked throughout the 1990s, but of course the left dates it 9/11 when Bush took office as if that's when the problem began.

And, if it was up to the left, we probably a) wouldn't have captured this guy and b) wouldn't have the information we gathered from him, which led to many thwarted attacks.

The left's obsession with Bush has clouded their minds so much they're missing the greatest battle in America's history like Europe slept amidst Hitler.

Posted by: Jason Malcolm, III | Sep 13, 2007 5:00:43 PM

This is one of the worst stories I've ever read...the whole thing centers around water boarding, but never explains what it is or why such offense was taken to the woman being present (outside of the obvious status of women in Middle Eastern culture..my best guess)???? What journalism school did this guy attend?

Posted by: Derek | Sep 13, 2007 5:01:09 PM

He is a terrorist, he is evil, and someone has a problem with a little waterboard torture and a bad picture? What the heck is wrong with people? Doesn't 9/11 live in anyones memory anymore? It makes me sick to think that our government can't do what it needs to do without some bleeding heart having a fit. How would that bleeding heart feel if this guy killed his/her, mother, father, brother, sister child? Why is this a story?

Posted by: Kat | Sep 13, 2007 5:02:45 PM

I'm not sure what to think of the word torture being inside quotation marks in this article. It is not merely thought of as torture, it is torture, and was used during the middle ages to get people to confess of witchcraft and heresy.

Posted by: Nina Nealon | Sep 13, 2007 5:05:31 PM

So what is Richard Esposito trying to say in the last two paragraphs of this story? It was somehow wrong for the CIA to mess-up KSM's hair and untuck his shirt? Perhaps we should have dressed him up in a tuxedo with a top hat? Additionally, I do not see any quotes from people with other views on the so-called torture of waterboarding. This article, like everything else on this website, is tilted against America. Contrary to the simpletons that work for the democrat party (and the substantial majority of the U.S. media), you don't fight (and win) the war on terror under Robert's Rules of Order. You fight any way you can to secure the safety and security of our nation.

Posted by: jim jones | Sep 13, 2007 5:16:07 PM

Complete B.S.
Spineless liberals will ensure that this war will be longer and bloodier (on both sides) thanks to their BDS.
Pathetic and will be judged by history as such.

Posted by: Sid | Sep 13, 2007 5:17:51 PM

Whoever wrote this should perhaps tell us what water-board is. In Minnesota, this is something people pull behind a boat and it is great fun. I have no idea what it means in the context of this article.

Posted by: Scott | Sep 13, 2007 5:18:31 PM

Torture works and it saves lives. Remember we are not torturing Americans so who cares what we are doing. Remember you have a right to life. Without that right all your other rights are meaningless. Let the serious adults in the government deal with the serious issues so the rest of us can get on with our lives without living in fear.

Posted by: ray | Sep 13, 2007 5:22:22 PM

LaDonna, we could have be-headed him. We could kill all who don't have the same religion as we do. I don't think we qualify as terrorists for trying to get a "mastermind of 9/11" to talk. Anything we did to him was to good for him. Why defend this scumbags rights when he would kill you and me in a second for being American?

Posted by: jrog | Sep 13, 2007 5:23:24 PM

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