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Obama Claims Interview in French Magazine Faked
September 12, 2007 2:33 PM
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., says an interview he supposedly gave to a French magazine, calling the war in Iraq a "defeat," is a fabrication.
An Obama campaign spokesperson says the interview never took place.
The interview appears under the byline of Alexis Debat, a senior fellow for national security and terrorism at the Nixon Center and a former ABC News consultant.
ABC News officials say Debat was asked to resign in June after questions were raised by the French government about his academic credentials.
The Obama interview appeared in the summer 2007 edition of Politique Internationale. Questions about the interview were first raised this week in another French magazine, Rue 89.
The editor of Politique Internationale says the article has been removed from the magazine's Web site.
"If it is a fake, it is a fake," said Patrick Wajsman, the founder and director of Politique Internationale, told ABCNews.com.
"We cannot send the police after every interviewer," he said.
Debat admits he did not interview Obama. He says he submitted questions to Obama through a Chicago freelance reporter, Rob Sherman, "and made the mistake of publishing it under my name."
Sen. Obama's spokesperson, Ben LaBolt, say there is no record that anyone by that name interviewed Obama.
"We're not aware of this being set up," said LaBolt.
Debat told ABCNews.com he was "scammed" by the freelance reporter who Debat says provided him with a transcript of an interview supposedly conducted in March.
"Rob Sherman asked me to remove his name from the interview, and my mistake was to put my name on it," Debat told ABCNews.com.
Sherman has not responded to questions sent to him by ABCNews.com.
ABC News officials say they asked for and received Debat's resignation after French government officials raised questions in May about a Ph.D. he claimed to have received from the Sorbonne.
"We investigated and could not establish his academic credentials," said ABC News senior vice president Jeffrey Schneider. Schneider said ABC News began a review of all of his work as a consultant but that so far, "our initial review has found that the information he provided ABC News checked out and was backed up by other sources."
Debat, a one-time desk officer in the French Ministry of Defense who appeared frequently on French TV after the 9/ll attacks, was hired as an ABC News consultant in late 2001.
He has appeared on ABC News as a counterterrorism analyst during coverage of Zacarias Moussaoui, the London bombings and the search for al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan.
Debat appeared April 3 as one of several sources in an ABC News report about Iranian dissident groups carrying out attacks inside Iran.
In a statement to ABC News, Debat said he plans to take legal action against Rue 89, which claimed Debat had a "reputation for making up stories."
"That is false and slanderous, and I plan to sue," Debat said.
"I have not once made up stories or been suspected of coming forward with false or even weak information," he said.
Debat called the issue of his Sorbonne Ph.D. "an administrative problem" he said he was sorting out "through legal means."
Debat says his thesis was completed in 1999 and is registered at the Sorbonne.
September 12, 2007 | Permalink | User Comments (9)
After the french went with the dreaded sarkozy syndrome to prop up the bushbaby we can conclude that the propaganda paid for by the us military and neo con solutions R US crowd would blowback to many interesting places like this.
Posted by: daddy | Sep 12, 2007 3:19:49 PM
Daddy needs his meds. Wow!!! Bush Delusional Hysteria is such a tragic epidemic. Even when liberal media folks lie to make Bush look bad it's fault? Don't try to understand the BDS mind.
Posted by: f.Jay | Sep 12, 2007 3:56:28 PM
Look for another Rovelike campaign of lies and deception. The conservative press headline also was misleading. Objectively, with what was known at time of publication, simply "Obama Interview Faked" was appropriate.
Posted by: cassandragop | Sep 12, 2007 4:10:53 PM
And ABC is conservative? Yeah...OK.
Posted by: f.Jay | Sep 12, 2007 4:28:24 PM
You people(USA) missed entirely the fact that bushbaby created an underground executive branch, but not one for the judicial or legislative branch. Where do you think karl rover now resides and works..you got it...the underground executive branch...talk about offtable financing...add that to your debt servicing agreement someday, OK????
Posted by: daddy | Sep 12, 2007 4:55:23 PM
Obama 'claims' interview a fake?? The interview WAS a fake. That's what the headline should have been. Is there any such thing as respectable journalism anymore?
You notice how they have polls asking how peope rate the president and Congress? How about a poll rating the media. Want to see some REAL low numbers?
Posted by: Terri | Sep 12, 2007 5:09:20 PM
I love what I read about Obama and his Healthcare Proposal
Posted by: Unknown | Sep 12, 2007 5:14:42 PM
Americans know nothing about the French press. This is just the latest illustration.
The only decent "background check" on the French press in American English, in fact, appears to be a piece that came out in "The New Yorker" several years ago.
The piece dealt humorously yet seriously with issues like several French editors/pundits who are now quite conservative having been Maoists in the 60s.
Also and not insignificantly, the consolidation of the French press was discussed. I.e. that there used to be five major papers in Paris but now are only three was a subject that was fairly treated.
"The New Yorker" even explained how one paper had used the French sociologist/maitre a penser Pierre Bourdieu as something of a standard bearer at one point, but then had decided to dump Bourdieu. As one person explained the uses and abuses of Bourdieu by his paper, it was a marketing decision. There was no remorse at using Bourdieu! In sum, the writer did a thorough job of getting the nitty gritty.
The moral of the story is that to understand the French press, you really need to read the French press. All the dailies, the blogs, etc. You cannot rely, after all, for a good article from "The New Yorker" to come out every generation to explain what the heck is going on in France with the press.
If a major news outlet like ABC cannot figure this out, that's too bad. Is it because perhaps nobody at ABC knows the French scene and even reads and speaks French? Could be.
Also, it should be noted that "Politique Internationale" is hardly a big deal in France. It's got predictable stuff.
Should be noted that this Jayson Blairesque affair is not without precedent. I.e. Blair did this at the NYT. And Mike Davis, as well, who is on the editorial board at "The New Left Review" has also done this. It came out last year, for example, that Davis fabricated an interview for a book that he wrote.
Posted by: Perry Anderson | Sep 13, 2007 6:30:03 PM
Debat's work was of high quality and he got caught into some of the intricacies of DC machineries. His work was of excellent quality. Never anyone said:"well, hey, where is this guy coming from with this information?" because his credentials are real. The sad thing is that his complete credibility and work is now being questioned because he got caught in the game. What about the so called Middle east experts who do not speak a word of Arabic and have never set foot in the Middle East? What about the so called Strategists and hip people alike in the academia who know how to schmooze their way around without a substantial work to back them? What about the fact that the most famous saying in DC is "What matter is who you know not what you know"? You don't hear anyone of them being called fakes or impostors? This is not FEMA case. Debat had credential and high quality work to back his status and fame. It is regrettable that he got caught. For all we know, Obama's people may be lying, refusing to take responsability for such a statement. Finally, this is the only incident that we know of, the other interviews were all real, so please before preaching about making up things get your sources correct too.
Posted by: Carls Rove | Sep 14, 2007 3:39:50 PM
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