Another KBR Rape Claim Brings Scrutiny

December 13, 2007 4:11 PM

Justin Rood Reports:

Morekbrsexas_mn_2 Congress is asking questions about another ex-employee of government contracting firm KBR who claims she was raped in Iraq.

Letters to the Pentagon and the Justice Department today from Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla. underscore congressional concern about a second alleged assault, this time of a woman from Florida who reportedly worked for a KBR subsidiary in Ramadi, Iraq in 2005.

"I am deeply troubled by recent reports that at least two women who worked in Iraq under contractors for the Department of Defense were sexually assaulted by male coworkers," Nelson wrote Defense Secretary Robert Gates Thursday.

In particular, Nelson expressed concern that in the case of Jamie Leigh Jones, the U.S. Army doctor who examined her turned over the rape examination kit, thought to contain useful evidence, to KBR officials. In the letter, Nelson also asked for an investigation to determine how many rape examinations were performed by U.S. military doctors in Iraq, and what was being done to ensure the cases were prosecuted.

In a separate letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, Nelson asked why there has been no criminal prosecution in the case of the alleged Florida victim. The woman, reportedly now 41, has alleged she was raped in her living quarters. She has sued KBR and Halliburton in civil court, but the judge ordered the case into private arbitration.

Contacted Thursday, the woman's lawyer said the rules of arbitration prohibit her from discussing the case or making her client available for an interview.

In the woman's complaint, filed earlier this year, she alleges that in December 2005 a drunken KBR co-worker let himself into her living quarters and raped her. The woman worked as a Morale, Welfare and Recreation Coordinator in Ramadi, according to news accounts and Nelson's letter.

In a statement, KBR said it "in no way condones or tolerates any form of sexual harassment." It declined to comment on the Florida case, "as this matter is the subject of ongoing litigation."

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What do women think is going to happen to them when they put themselves in a situation such as Iraq? You are putting yourself in harms way, you ARE in a war zone with MEN. That being said it does not justify raping someone. But I do not agree with women being in the military. Maybe in a perfect world that would be a great idea, but not in the world we live in.

Posted by: khristina | Dec 13, 2007 4:39:27 PM

And the flood gates are open! Of course KBR didn't know anything about it, they didn't want to!

Posted by: cantcu | Dec 13, 2007 4:48:24 PM

Ah the old "blame the victim" ploy. Very nice. Glad to see it didn't take long for that to happen.

Posted by: 1313CA | Dec 13, 2007 5:00:31 PM

i have never read a more uneducated statement in my life. men are around us everywhere, so if i choose to go to a baseball game i should be subject to rape if my team loses? war zone or not, those men are NOT in the war. they are working as contractors. THERE IS NO EXCUSE TO VIOLATE SOMEONE, male or female, and people that think like the previous poster only perpetuate the idea that women deserve what they get for putting themselves in harm's way. what a bunch of garbage.

Posted by: kgonzalez | Dec 13, 2007 5:11:04 PM

khristina, I think that's a ridiculous comment. the idea that men can't help themselves. I think that's wrong and we should have a higher standard of behavior. Of course, this also lends credence to one of the stronger arguments against having private military contractors, is that they aren't as accountable when crimes like this occur.

Posted by: Alex | Dec 13, 2007 5:18:05 PM

As a man that's been there, I agree, Khristina. With all the raging testosterone pumping through the veins of our boys over there, it is NOT an ideal environment for women who have morals. When I was over there, there were actually female SOLDIERS prostituting themselves to make a buck and fill the need for "release". And they made a fortune! (and as long as they stick to doing just soldiers, there's minimal chance of disease.)No...combat zones are no places for ladies. Sorry if that offends any ERA advocates, but let common sense rule in this case. Keep our LADIES out of countries we are at war with!

Posted by: VeteranD | Dec 13, 2007 5:19:49 PM

These women aren't in the military. They are civilians. The military is supposed to protect civilians, not harm them.

This is just bigotry and racism run rampant under people who call themselves Christians but are just false prophets and descendants of Cain who have no respect for themselves, for others, nor for God.

Posted by: Steve | Dec 13, 2007 5:20:09 PM

Read the flippin' article! These women were CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS. Not military- a big difference.

Our military ability would be seriously curtailed if women did not serve.

Posted by: Lachlan | Dec 13, 2007 5:23:19 PM

ho hum... another day, another 3 republican/corporate scandal

Posted by: earthisnotflat | Dec 13, 2007 5:43:59 PM

khristina... perhaps the world you live in excludes women from war, but not the real world... do you know any women serving???? undoubtedly NO!... there are countless brave qualified gutsy women serving the oil corporation, er, i mean the USA in iraq

Posted by: earthisnotflat | Dec 13, 2007 5:45:35 PM

khristina, those women were NOT in the military. Regardless, I don't see how being a female in Iraq is "put[ting] themselves in a situation". Women get raped right here in the U.S. But at least here there is hope for a justice system. Should we just shut ourselves in our houses, wear burkas and chastity belts, and generally be paranoid? The fact is that a U.S. company, taking U.S. tax money, is covering up a heinous crime. They are accountable to U.S. laws, regardless of where they are.

Posted by: ex-gi | Dec 13, 2007 5:49:58 PM

Based on Khristina's comments I suppose that women can only expect not to be raped in a "perfect" world. It's easy to see how women can sometimes be construed as being their own worst enemies. Talk about blaming the victim. Maybe we could blame car crash victims for driving or plane crash victims for flying?

Posted by: Jef | Dec 13, 2007 5:50:15 PM

Well, its too bad for her... but is much worse the cover and the protections these peoeple get and being so hard to prosecute there... imagine, if they can rap her and get immunity; what other kind of kinky biznez could be done from people with that position over there. And remember: US Bush pretened to be the saviors in Iraq, but it more seems is an invation from vary points of view.

Posted by: Benjalamelami | Dec 13, 2007 5:50:37 PM

The real problem is that anyone, male or female, can anonymously accuse someone of rape, basically ruining that person's life whether the accusation is true or not. The accuser remains anonymous and is never subject to the proper vetting, while the accused's life is ruined, again, whether or not the allegation is true. In addition, the fact that these parties are SUING instead of prosecuting is a big red flag. How convenient that not only are they allowed to remain anonymous, but they are allowed to sue for a situation that may not have even been a crime. The stigma associated with the accusation is so great that the parties involved will probably settle, and again, *whether or not* the allegations are true. Do you get my drift? The criminal justice system should not allow one party of a given case, male or female, to remain anonymous.

Posted by: why | Dec 13, 2007 5:56:31 PM

khristina: as a woman you have no idea how your comment angered me! men need to learn SELF CONTROL!! your comment is just like the ideals that are pushed onto women in other countries--why are women forced by men to cover their bodies with sheets? cover themselves with full hijabs? Because the men think that if they see a woman skin, they might not be able to contorl their urges. Give me a break!

Stop blaming women when you cant keep your pants on!!

Posted by: getreal | Dec 13, 2007 6:00:52 PM

These women are just trying to make the President look bad. This is purely political. Remembmer the Duke Lacrosse case? These women should go to jail for trying to undermine our war effort with their lies!

Posted by: Eagle Man | Dec 13, 2007 6:03:27 PM

I agree that it is unacceptable. KBR should be nailed to the wall. Men should be ashamed. I also, unfortunately, have to agree that it is guaranteed to happen in an environment like Iraq. In the military I hated the attitudes and pressures surrounding women everyday. there aren't enough words to describe how inappropriate it is. People are not good, and in a masculine fueled, war environment, men are going to find a way to hurt women. Not blaming the victim, just know it's the worst kind of environment and would not advise any woman I care about to go there.

Posted by: Mike | Dec 13, 2007 6:07:04 PM

That is the most ignorant statement I have heard in a long time, (including all those said by GWB). Stop defending testosterone filled goons by blaming the victim. You repulse me and give women a bad name.

Posted by: Mary | Dec 13, 2007 6:17:46 PM

I don't understand why allegations of rape must be referred to "arbitration." instead of being tried in court.

Posted by: misskitty | Dec 13, 2007 6:21:25 PM

khristina you inquired; 'What do women think is going to happen to them when they put themselves in a situation such as Iraq?'
Is it not a woman's choice to serve her country? What is the negative regarding this? There is not one. Men are subject to rape and violence, just as women are. This is about power and control. Not sex. However, what is definitely interesting is that they are on the same team (USA). Of course, there is no justifying of any action (rape) of this sort; but it highlights the nature of the minds of some men; not all...when away from the homeland; away from laws. This is an issue of moral character. Yet, how can war be one of moral character?

I end with a quote from Sun Tzu, "War is based on deception."

Posted by: Adagio | Dec 13, 2007 6:29:19 PM

I don't know who "khristina" is, but its argument sounds more like self-serving justification by KBR than a reasoned opinion by any woman. I would expect that MANY more of these cases will crawl out from under the woodwork once Congress shows that it is serious about digging out the facts and dealing out some justice. Some people - like this current "administration" - just seem to believe that a war zone means a "no-rules" zone where anyone having "authority" can do what he wants without consequences. The whole war is an example of that thinking, as are all of GW's infamous "signing statements" and other lawless trash. Congress needs to take the admin apart from the bottom up - starting with chief Dick.

Posted by: JLS1950 | Dec 13, 2007 6:31:04 PM

Khristina is generally on the right track.
Sure it would be nice if these guys would control themselves, but the fact remains these women should not be in this dangerous environment if they can't handle the risks....for the same reasons it's not a bright idea for an unarmed citizen to confront an armed bank robber. Fortunately, people are usually not that stupid.

Posted by: Doug | Dec 13, 2007 6:42:21 PM

...but they won't let gay men or lesbians serve in the military. WHAT A COUNTRY.

Posted by: artiejoe68 | Dec 13, 2007 6:49:13 PM

I have never seen such repugnant and stupid conclusions. As a rape survivor (won't call myself a victim)- to those of you playing the blame the victim line- grow up and get a clue- there is and never will be a justification for rape. Just because they're in a war zone as a CIVILIAN CONTRACTOR does not make defensible in any way, shape or form. Does anyone remember Sarajevo? Rape,in a war zone, is now a war crime punishable by death. Shall we blame the thousands of women in Darfur that are raped systematically that it's justified because they're in a war zone- you people that think this way disgust me.

Posted by: GetAClue | Dec 13, 2007 6:50:25 PM

Wow. I think a previous poster had it right. I guess us women should never go to sports events either. Or sports bars for that matter. I guess, just because we have hoo hoos (sorry - had to Disney that up) we deserve to get raped in any manly situation. I'm sorry but this attitude towards women needs to stop. In a round about way you placing all the blame on women and deflecting it from men. A person has a job to do whether they are male or female, and they have to do that job. I don't give a crap if it takes them to Iraq or the moon for that matter. The last thing on earth you should have to worry about is rape from your co-workers/people you know. The only advice I can give the ladies is learn self defense. Gouge the eyes, punch the throat, knee the groin. Since, obviously, no more rape cases should be accepted, then you have to protect yourself. It would be a nice change. Men charging women for bodily damage, humiliation, suffering, etc...

Posted by: Hagen | Dec 13, 2007 7:10:12 PM

State Department appointees, Bush, Halliburton KBR--- they are birds of a feather. Of course they have arranged loopholes in the laws so that they beat their political/economic enemies over their heads with the "law", but themselves enjoy impunity.

It is very naive to expect this government and their contractees/good ole boys, to accord their behavior with the laws of civilization.

Posted by: quadspect | Dec 13, 2007 7:22:58 PM

war is immoral so let's not act surprised when amoral individuals who make the CHOICE to go to a war for the money.
and let's not act surprised when some of them are criminals.
and it's not a ballgame.

Posted by: gregg | Dec 13, 2007 7:39:29 PM

Military service in a war zone does not make men rapists.

Working as civilian contractors in a war zone does not make men rapists.

Rape in war zones is carried out by men who were rapists in the first place.

Rapists are rapists, pure and simple.

Posted by: Vietnam War Vet | Dec 13, 2007 7:42:39 PM

Now, now, Eagle Man-
No need to insult- we all know the President does not need any help to look bad- give him some credit please, he can do that all by himself.

Posted by: Apple Pie Gal | Dec 13, 2007 7:45:49 PM

I dont understand these people talking about men in the military being unable to control themselves? The Military men are supposed to be the most disaplined in the world.
Even though these are not military personnel the simply fact of the matter is; We are all responsible for our own actions. Built up hormones or not.

Think about it this way; many serial killers use the defense that they just couldn't control themselves. It was an impulse (like sexual urges).

A woman should not expect to be raped just because she is around men in a secluded area ;just like a person doesnt expected to be murdered.
(sorry about my spelling and punctuation my keyboard is busted)

Posted by: SVC130 | Dec 13, 2007 7:54:49 PM

Ok, let's use this case to set a standard for these types of cases. Let's get Congress involved and USE these horrible crimes as an excuse to hold MAJOR hearings about how these contractors get immunity where they work. Lets use this to enrage the American people, to create such a deafening public out cry, that our leaders in Congress will fall all over themselves to support it. These people need to be subject to the rule of law, and this is how we get the political capital to bring them under that law.

Posted by: Johnny | Dec 13, 2007 7:59:01 PM

Hey Eagle Man, how exactly does this make the president look bad? Your sentiments towards the alleged victim make it sound like you'd be more at home in Saudi Arabia. Or is that where you are from? By the way, that Duke thing was more about an over zealous prosecutor than anything else, but we've got no shortage of those.

Posted by: redwhiteandbluebeard | Dec 13, 2007 8:38:06 PM

Looks like you all missed the point -- which is that there is no recourse to criminal justice against civilian contractors in Iraq. These cases are similar to the one involving Blackwater shooting at Iraqi civilians in that square in Baghdad. At that time it came out that the civilian contractors are not subject to Iraqi criminal law, U.S. criminal law, or U.S. military justice.

This would seem to be the only situation (besides perhaps diplomats) where an American can commit a felony against an American with impunity from any criminal justice system.

That is the situation. It's not about rape, it's about unpunishable felonies. Consider whether that seems like a good idea.

Posted by: Garrigus Carraig | Dec 13, 2007 8:39:27 PM

If these These women are just trying to make the President look bad then why the cover up. What is it with you people, are you sick too. In a real world this case would go into the court system and maybe, just maybe justice will be served.

Posted by: dras | Dec 13, 2007 10:12:26 PM

Garrigus- You're right, actually; but it is still about rape.
It is about legal and ethical vacuum in which these contractors exist, with unlimited power and no accountability. And the complicity of the US government in their crimes. Anyone trained in sexual assault intervention will tell you that rape is an act of power, domination, and entitlement. And usually,statistically speaking, there is no accountability.

It is hard to imagine an situation more suited to this specific kind of violence. A woman is raped in the U.S. every 3 minutes. But rape is also a specific weapon of war. If these men were raping American women who theoretically could eventually access help, god only knows what they did to Iraqi women. Men's violence against women is real. It's absolutely epidemic. Let's not ignore it. No matter in what context it occurs.

Posted by: caebell | Dec 13, 2007 11:12:23 PM

Hell, I thought Bush went to Iraq to put money in the hands of his contractor friends and raise the price of oil. I would have been against the war if I had know he was doing it just so his contractor friends could have a good time without fear of the law.

Posted by: Ken | Dec 13, 2007 11:28:01 PM


With a stroke of his pen President Bush could exempt the crime of rape against Americans from the immunity that contractors in Iraq enjoy.

Clear message: if you are loyal to President Bush, you can rape American girls he will protect you.

That is an ugly thing to say, but if you think it's not accurate tell me why President Bush will not allow these crimes to be prosecuted.

Posted by: matt | Dec 14, 2007 1:34:51 AM

khristina: Very noble of you, but you might want to pay a little bit better attention to the article -- these women aren't in the military. They are civilian contractors working for a civilian company.

Posted by: J | Dec 14, 2007 2:32:03 AM

Unfortunately there is nothing "new" about any of these allegations...it's just a continuation of military behavior by a bunch of hyped-up mercenaries, most of whom are ex-military, where sexual assault reports are given little more investigation than a wink and a nod. The defense industry as well as the military may pretend to have taken serious steps to protect women, but I can tell you from my own personal experiences in the Army that the only person who suffers when sexual assaults are reported are the victims unless she is smart enough to outsmart the great military/industrial machine or finds a sympathetic and experienced care giver, which clearly these women have NOT. I do not regret having served my country, but I do wish the only blood, sweat and tears involved had been directly related to my duties.

Posted by: Michelle, Army Veteran | Dec 14, 2007 5:40:05 AM

Keep the Ladies at Home? It's a war zone and men can't help themselves - Wth is wrong with you people? Alright, if that is going to be some of the remarks made here - how about all women should carry guns and shoot men who "seem" to be a threat to them - aim for the balls ladies - get em where they live! You know what they say about women hysteria - if the men can use the excuse of war and hormones to rape - the women can get away with shooting a man's #### off because we were hysterical - its only fair! Oh, and the president makes himself look bad - he does not need any help!

Posted by: LJ | Dec 14, 2007 7:48:12 AM

AH HAHAHAHA - LJ you might win on humor on that one. Um, what's with the "boys will be boys" by our Khristina? I might expect that from some guy, but not a fellow female. That does nothing but promote that whole Burka mentality they have going in the Middle East. I suppose I expect my fellow females not to promote that type of garbage. Bottom line - rape is rape. Don't care where or what's going on. UNacceptable. And I'd like to include that just because some idiots like the Duke gal have pulled some horrible stunts it does not mean that from now on every other female is lying. I'm beginning to think we have not heard the last of this. I find myself wondering if some lawless "ye haw" mentality might not have been going down over there since they can't be held accountable. I mean, we know they're ripping off the taxpayer unlike ever before - why not consider that this could be something as well?

Posted by: Sandra | Dec 14, 2007 8:26:59 AM

I kind of like the idea of a chastity belt device for females serving with idiot male soldiers and contractors. Could they be made out of Kevlar like the vests? :-)

Posted by: Merg | Dec 14, 2007 8:59:00 AM

All I can say is that I worked as a contractor in the middle east for a number of years; after a while, females I normally wouldn't have looked at twice started looking very attractive. That was in a non-war, fairly normal day-to-day work environment, albeit with only one female in our entire department. It seems to me that we often overlook the fact that we males and females are essentially animals. Whether we accept that as an excuse for bad behavior depends on our sympathies toward the victims of our lapses in civility.

Posted by: picky | Dec 14, 2007 9:23:29 AM

EMPLOYMENT LAWYER PROSECUTION FOR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE -- EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS SUCH AS THOSE ARE TRAVESTIES OF JUSTICE. PROSECUTE THE EMPLOYMENT LAWYERS.
APPARENTLY THE SAME TYPE OF LANGUAGES EXISTS IN MANY LOAN CONTRACTS, EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS AND MORE IN MICHIGAN.

Posted by: Michigan | Dec 14, 2007 9:24:12 AM

Okay fine -- for the sake of argument, let's accept that women who sign a contract to work in a war zone have a higner probability of being raped.

How does this excuse her employer from NOT supporting her if she is raped, or from destroying evidence and otherwise obstructing justice? THAT is what should be the topic here.

Posted by: JBL55 | Dec 14, 2007 9:25:32 AM

Picky, you're probably a decent person who thinks physical appearance is a factor in the probability of being raped. It is not.

Rape is about power, pure and simple.

Posted by: JBL55 | Dec 14, 2007 9:30:04 AM

Sounds like the employment laywers who wrote those contracts are intent on promotiing a culture where "obstruction of justice" is the norm. Same thing here at the University of Michigan -- the employment lawyers and more in the Office of General Counsel need to experience a comuppance. Their decision behavior based on their ability to write contracts like that make University faculty /employees think they can get away with anything. Feels like a codified dictatorship. Isn't that why we went to war in Iraq. To fight the axis of evil. It seems we ought to do a little house cleaning here in the United States --

Posted by: Michigan | Dec 14, 2007 9:30:07 AM

At least from the crime statistics I heard, a woman gets raped every few seconds. I'm sure a multitude of those raps occur in companies both American and that of another country. The news media picks THIS particular company and makes this rape a top story. Why? This particular company is in some way linked to the Bush administration. These alleged rape victims wait until NOW to report them. Isn't it a coincidence they make their reports on an ELECTION year! Something is a little fishy.

Posted by: jfm125 | Dec 14, 2007 9:41:04 AM

As a Marine Vietnam veteran I am appalled that the "official" agency of my country who claims to pursue issues of human rights and criticizes other countries for their treatment of women throughout the world can even begin to participate in a cover up such as they have. Many heads should roll over this beginning at the management level of the State Department and continuing to Haliburton and KBR.

Posted by: Dennis | Dec 14, 2007 9:43:06 AM

You are correct, these women are civilians; but if they wanted to serve their country and have rights of a us citizen on foreign territory then they should have joined the military. The civilians that are in the war zone are there to make a quick buck and keep our military from doing their job effectively. Contractors are everywhere and most are working alongside the military, the only difference is that they make 100K a year, while our military makes about 20K. Does that seem right to you?

Posted by: EVO31 | Dec 14, 2007 9:45:07 AM

It a sad state of affairs when citizens of the most powerful country in the world who are trying to help in the war effort are forced to bringing civil cases for rape because their own government created a legal black hole that allows criminals to escape jurisdiction. When our government creates a situation where overseas civilian contractors cannot be charged under U.S., military, or Iraqi law, the criminals are going to commit crimes and get away with it.

Posted by: D | Dec 14, 2007 10:08:12 AM

"And what rough beast,its hour come round at last, slouches toward
Bethlehem to be born?"
We have found the enemy, and he is us.

Posted by: doug | Dec 14, 2007 10:36:20 AM

Why would murder's care about rape.

Posted by: Michael | Dec 14, 2007 10:36:26 AM

Always a bit sad to see any justification for rape, whether the victim is male or female. Rape is a crime of violence, not a crime of love.

Posted by: John Ryan | Dec 14, 2007 10:40:07 AM

Historically after a battle men had the spoils of war. Absent that in Iraq these women in Iraq are there as the substitute - to keep our fine fighting men happy and as a reward for jobs well done and no other reason - why are they so upset - didn't the guy say thanks, come back for more, or leave a big enough tip.

Posted by: Kingfish | Dec 14, 2007 10:58:57 AM

All of you idiots who claim 'a woman shouldn't be there" as if it were HER fault she was raped:

What do you say to the MEN who get raped?! So men shouldn't be there, either???

Idiots.

Posted by: jgmurphy | Dec 14, 2007 11:22:37 AM

And a pursed lip and furtive glance smile emanated from the fabulous KINDASLEAZY Rice and the State Dept. who absolves them of any crime.

Posted by: daddy | Dec 14, 2007 11:32:49 AM

Violence happens to men, but generally not just because of their gender. Violence - murder and rape - is committed by men on women because of their gender. Perhaps we should restrict the men instead of the women.

Posted by: Richard H. Davis | Dec 14, 2007 12:05:45 PM

KBR is a Cheney corporation and therefore inherently evil. It should be RICOed and dismantled as soon as possible. KBR is a prime example of Chimpy's privatization of everything and how Chimpy is wrecking America. These KBR jerks obviously have NO moral values whatsoever. I bet they're all conservative Christians too.

Posted by: Tom3 | Dec 14, 2007 12:21:50 PM

Another sign of these times and the cover-ups from the Bush and Chaney administration !!

Posted by: Glo | Dec 14, 2007 12:29:59 PM

JBL55 - Thanks. I like to think I AM a decent person. And, to clarify, I never raped anyone no matter how sexually deprived I may have felt. I will accept that rape is often a power-play but I believe the environment "over there" changes the playing field somewhat. I never heard of any rapes, but by the same token, I never heard about any male-male rapes; which you DO hear about in prisons here. It could happen there, but it just doesn't seem to. I truly believe "over there" it's a uniquely testosterone-heavy environment and not really a good place for single women. Where I lived and worked we didn't have a rape problem, but extra-marital affairs were rampant. Perhaps it's more accurate to describe the situation as one where people revert somewhat to their more animal-sexual natures where new-comers are apt to become prey of sex-starved veterans (many of whom, as someone previously noted, are military vets who would be EXTREMELY disinclined to resort to homosexuality to satisfy their "needs").

Posted by: picky | Dec 14, 2007 1:41:15 PM

Maybe we should make sure all the women are fully weapon trained, with a holstered pistol on hip and since they are in a war zone they can shoot them. Might stop a few of them.

I know this is absurd but who are some of these monsters from above?

I have a daughter and retribution and revenge would motivate me to do something crazy.

Of course in Bush World where up is down and down is up these boys are true Patriots fighting for Amerika.

Hey maybe they were priests!

Posted by: Marid | Dec 14, 2007 2:13:25 PM

Benjalamelami you are way off base. The monsters who invaded Iraq have forced laws upon Iraq in the war zone so that no prosecution can take place. Only an arbiter or a civl suit is available. How convienient they lost the rape kit.

What the heck have we become?

Check out SOFA agreements and see how they screw other countries also. Then youmight find out why some people might not like us.

Posted by: Marid | Dec 14, 2007 2:21:27 PM

What do you expect to happen when these private contractors are immune to prosecution in Iraq. When laws don't apply to you, they do not protect you as well. The alleged rapist would get away with it because it happened outside US jurisdiction and he cannot be prosecuted in Iraq due to the bs regarding foreign contractors. Too bad.

Posted by: Whatever | Dec 14, 2007 2:34:13 PM

Why said:
"The real problem is that anyone, male or female, can anonymously accuse someone of rape"

No, the real problem isn't accusations of rape. The REAL problem is RAPE. OR don't you believe that it really happens?

I think that's what's at the bottom of asinine posts - especially since the accusers AREN'T anonymous. Even if a name is kept out of the newspapers, it's known to the court, to the defendant, and to law enforcement and all the supporting agencies. It's not some kind of unfair legal shield, just a shred of privacy for someone who has just had their safety and dignity ripped from them.

Or is that too compassionate for you?

Posted by: elsie | Dec 14, 2007 2:55:14 PM

picky,

Nice I like how these rapes are now Bush's fault. THe crack about priests is great too, its not religious hate speech if its about Catholics, right?

Posted by: Ed | Dec 14, 2007 3:17:11 PM

What obscene apologists! I simply can't believe the ignorance of some posters on this topic--starting with the very first post. So men with "raging testoterone" are exempt from the laws and from basic civilized human behavior? Give me a break! If your environment can dictate your behavior to that extent, you don't have much internal character and probably should be locked up somewhere to protect society. Khristina--Your assertion is ridiculous. Do you really believe these women brought this on themselves because they should have been able to predict that hired private contractors would break into their living quarters, hold them hostage in storage units, brutally assault them, threaten them if they told anyone, collude with the ARMY to destroy evidence and deny them access to proper healthcare and legal services? Was it in the job description? Is that why they should have "expected" it? If it was so obvious to you, than what is the responsibility of KBR hiring people? Shouldn't they have been able to predict this then, as well? If so, why did they put vulnerable individuals in harms way? We are all responsible for our behavior--having male hormones doesn't let you off the hook. If this is truly just "business as usual" when groups of men get together, heaven help us all.

Posted by: Michele | Dec 14, 2007 4:08:11 PM

I just posted on first article: let me reiterrate. Rape and Sex have nothing in common. Rape is totally about control, power, and humiliation and degradation for the victim---which is WHY most rapes go unreported. The victims feel as if they did something wrong. And our society causes that.
Only when it walks into your life will
you understand---when your daughter tells you she was date-raped at college and wants to drop out--because she cant deal with it---and it just wont go away.

Having been raped while in my early twenties, I know some of what these
people went through. But only some.
I would never pretend to know all.

Not all men are rapists---only the ones
that are will bring it home from Iraq--it will not stop there--cause that is what gets them going. They are diseased, and if this steps on your sensitive toes, well, I will not even go there.

Posted by: kate | Dec 14, 2007 4:25:45 PM

Picky inferred that homosexual rapes don't occur in the military because military men are simply 'disinclined' to homosexuality. I'm not sure what branch of the military you served in, but sexual assault on another soldier exacts very severe punishment from the military. It is the severe and certain punishment that deters such behavior. But in the case of military contractors, there is no threat of certain and severe punishment. Behavior is mitigated by our belief systems. If men think they can rape and get away with it, rape will happen. If they believe severe punishment will likely result of their actions, men will find some other outlet for their raging hormones.

Posted by: NadaSpin | Dec 14, 2007 4:40:00 PM

Most of you completely missed the point of Christina's post. No, she doesnt excuse the rapists and doesnt blame the victim. The point is: just because this is a free country none of you will stroll into some really bad neighborhood or ghetto at night without some really good backup. Or you will not let your little kids ride with or go into stranger's houses. The war zone will always be the same: hell, lawless, and where the strongest get what they want. It is not right, but its the way it is, and nothing is going to change that, nothing! You need a special mindset to go into a war, and people will always be people. You soldier son Timmy will talk one way at a dinner table, but wow, the sexual fantasies you would hear if you would get drunk with a bunch of infantry where its just boys. And no, I'm in no way bashing the military.

Posted by: sg | Dec 14, 2007 5:21:06 PM

Wait a minute...what about the women in Iraq? These men are in Iraq, supposedly protecting and carrying up responsibilities towards democracy...so following this whoever Khristina is arguments, Iraqui women better get out of Iraq and not put themselves in this situation...this person has absolutedly no understanding of the implication of her statement...obviously either not well thought thru or just...well, pretty ignorant.

Posted by: mary | Dec 14, 2007 5:36:26 PM

sg,
You must not have actually read the articles about this situation. These women, and their families, were assured their working environment would be perfectly safe. KBR went to some lengths to recruit women for administrative positions. These women, who frequently expressed concern about the security situation in Iraq, were told that the Green Zone was safer than most urban US neighborhoods. What they were not told is that the safety risks would not come from Iraqi insurgents, they would come from their own people! For your analogy about not going into bad areas without backup to be useful, you have to be equating KBR employees either to the violent thugs and criminals who prey on urban residents in the US or to the bloodthirsty insurgents in Iraq. Neither comparison is very flattering for a US contractor in the service of our military. Quit excusing this behavior by faulting the victims. There is NO excuse for it. Even if these women had been running around in bikinis and stilettos, their male coworkers would not have had the right to rape them. It is insulting to women and it is insulting to men--the implication being they are nothing more than the sum of their hormones and are compelled to resort to violent sexual behavior under certain situations. Thank God, that is not the case with ANY of the men I know. What a world we live in where people will actually stoop to defending this sort of behavior--which is exactly what you and others are doing by blaming the victims.

Posted by: Michele | Dec 14, 2007 6:54:51 PM

WHY: Like poor old Kobe Bryant, the rich basketball player who intimidated the woman he raped until she was forced to drop the criminal suit against him? Use your head for something besides a hat rack!

Posted by: Jim | Dec 14, 2007 7:45:19 PM

The problem here is not women serving in war zones. These women were allegedly raped by fellow co-workers not by the enemy. Why should women in serving in the US military, State Department, or working as contactors in Iraq have to protect themselves from attacks from their fellow Americans? Most women are constantly vigilant with their safety but have some expectation that employees hired by their company will do them harm.

The greater issue is the “out sourcing” our military during a time of war. Contractors are doing the work what military used to do but with no accountability. They operate under a contract for profit not a prevailing mission’s of expanding freedom. KRB does not care about honor, courage, and commitment in resolving this problem. The bottom line is how this will impact the value of their stock. KBR will probably pay the alleged victims for their silence and truth with remain unknown. War is hell but a woman working for KRB in Iraq, the experience may far worse.

Posted by: Jude | Dec 14, 2007 8:42:51 PM

If you read about this case, it was clearly a well thought out, premeditated and likely oft-repeated "initiation" of new females at KBR in Iraq. She was offered a "special welcome drink" (meaning drugged) after which she lost consciousness, only later realizing from the massive evidence of repeated trauma "by more than one man" as the examiner assessed the next day when the rape kit was done and STUPIDLY handed over to KBR. Her thighs were badly bruised, she was torn and bleeding...I wouldn't be at all surprised if these sickos have the whole thing recorded somewhere with the victims in neat alphabetical order...or maybe they just have them organized by date. But as usual, wink wink, nod nod, blame the victim and carry on with business as usual. Don't these men have mothers or sisters? I know they have no conscience.

Posted by: Michelle, Army Veteran | Dec 15, 2007 2:46:24 AM

When recruited by KBR we are NOT TOLD that we will be safe. It is explained that we will be in a war zone, possibly living in tents, and with limited access to our everyday conveniences. I work for a contractor and I am here to tell you that some women bring it upon themselves for various reasons but mostly for promotions that they are not even qualified to do. I am not saying this is th