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Radical Ties an Issue as Dems Debate
April 17, 2008 10:37 AM
The Democratic candidates' ties to violent domestic radicals came up in last night's presidential debate, as ABC News' Nitya Venkataraman reported, highlighting a Clinton pardon I had omitted while first reporting on this story in February.
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., hit Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for having served on the board of a Chicago nonprofit with Bill Ayers, a former member of the 1960s-era left-wing radical group the Weather Underground. "What they did was set bombs, and in some cases people died. I know Sen Obama is a good man and I respect him greatly but this is certainly something the Republicans will be raising."
Obama hit back, pointing out -- as I did in February -- that Clinton had her own ties to the group.
"President Clinton pardoned two members of the Weather Underground," Obama said, "which is a bigger deal than serving on a board with someone."
As I reported in February when the Clinton camp first raised the issue, in 2001 then-president Bill Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg, a Weather Underground member arrested in 1984 while unloading 740 pounds of dynamite from the back of her car.
But Clinton indeed pardoned a second -- Linda Evans, who had been convicted of several charges stemming from a series of bombings in the 1980s.
April 17, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (116)
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This report is erroneous. No pardons were ever issued. Obama got it wrong last night, and so have you by following him without basic fact-checking first.
The sentences were commuted; a vast difference.
Posted by: commonsensenj | Apr 17, 2008 11:26:15 AM
45" on Bosnia, weatherman, Wright, and 'bitter'! What a shame. Just because these 'seeds' have been planted in people's minds, doesn't mean that ABC should have nourished them in the debate. I expected better from George and Charlie...and ABC. In the final debate the
ISSUES should have been at the forefront.
Posted by: herb-les | Apr 17, 2008 11:26:33 AM
Former President Bill Clinton is not running for President.
So that has no bearing on Hillary.
I don't know about your guys, but many times I do not see eye to eye with my husband.
That would be like saying Michelle Obama did not want Obama running for president, so he should not be elected, for that reason.
Posted by: seah | Apr 17, 2008 11:32:46 AM
i told my wife that abc already took a story from sean hannity of fix news to use after the debate about ayres. are you kidding me the only question you did not ask was obama a muslim---ABC SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES!!! GEORGE WAS IN THE CLINTON WHITE HOUSE HE SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE DEBATE!! 50 MINUTES OF INTERNET GOSSIP IN A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE--ONLY ONE QUESTION ON FOREIGN POLICY AND A BUNCH OF GOTCHA QUESTIONS--WHEN IS THE MEDIA GOING TO COVER THE ISSUES AND STOP TRYING TO GET RATINGS FOR THE CORPORATION WHO OWNS THEM? TO ASK ABOUT A FLAG PIN? WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK CLINTON WHERE HER PIN WAS--OR WHY DIDN'T YOU BOTH HAVE ONE ON--I MEAN COME ON--WHY DON'T YOU DO A STORY ABOUT HOW OBAMA HAS BEEN IN PUBLIC SERVICE FOR 20 YEARS? ALSO TO ASK IF REV WRIGHT IS PATRIOT AFTER REV WRIGHT GAVE UP A COLLEGE DEFERMENT AND JOINED THE MARINES AND LATER RECEIVE 3 PRESIDENTIAL ACCOMIDATIONS!! WHY DON'T YOU DO A STORY ABOUT REV WRIGHT AND BE FAIR ABOUT THE GOOD AND BAD? YOU TWO SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES HOPEFULLY THE VOTERS ARE SMARTER THAN YOU TWO ELITISTS!!!!!!
Posted by: william | Apr 17, 2008 11:36:02 AM
I can't tell you how disappointed I was in last nights debate. Since when is ABC News (my news outlet of choice) a mouthpiece for FOX?
I tuned in to hear about the ISSUES this country is facing. I am smart enough to know that neither candidate is always going to be on their game and they will make gaffes. I do not think that bringing up someone from the 1960's and blaming Obama for his actions (when Obama was a kid) was thought provoking. I have never been disappointed in Charlie Gibson or George Stephanopolis until last night.
Posted by: L. Kopriva | Apr 17, 2008 11:37:19 AM
Stupid issue. Stupid question. I paid over $60.00 to fill up my car today. They spent 1 minute on that problem, but over 5 on this non-issue. Do you think people losing their homes care about Obama serving on a board with someone or who Bill pardoned? The banality of some of the questions was amazing.
Posted by: Ginger | Apr 17, 2008 11:39:18 AM
Weather Underground was a COINTELPRO operation to discredit anti-war activists with false-flag acts of violence. So of course some were "pardoned".
Posted by: JEdgar | Apr 17, 2008 11:41:00 AM
The debate: a shameful display, embarrassing really, by the moderators. I wanted to see a substantive debate and the moderators turned it into a superficial, meaningless charade.
Posted by: John W. Willison | Apr 17, 2008 11:51:51 AM
ABC is simply trying to clean up their mess from last night. Too late. I'm switching to NBC.
Posted by: Que | Apr 17, 2008 11:53:29 AM
Thumbs way down on the way ABC handled this debate. Your organization continues the perpetuation of finger pointing and avoids the real issues this country needs to hear and talk about. This kind of broadcasting won't be winning you any ratings. Next time you host a debate ABC, I for one, won't be watching.
Posted by: S. Lewis | Apr 17, 2008 11:55:15 AM
MAYBE OBAMA IS CORRECT:
1. Maybe words DON'T matter.
2. Maybe friends DON'T matter.
3. Maybe past actions DON'T matter.
4. Maybe past associations DON'T matter.
5. Maybe experience DOESN'T matter.
I guess that leaves us with the question . . . just what DOES matter according to Obama?
Slick stump speeches? Psychotically-obsessed fans? Cult-like followers?
Posted by: TJ | Apr 17, 2008 11:57:10 AM
Don't the democrats get it - they will get pegged as hippie, tax-and-spend, liberal, tree-hugging radicals no matter what? Even if they aren't this is how the game works. So why play into it - it is silly for them to let Republicans define who is a patriot and who is an American.
The 'Rovian' strategy (I think it is a bit much to give him complete credit for this) is to attack the opponent at what the opponent perceives as their strength. The democrats, I think, get this and plan on doing the same to Senator McCain.
Posted by: MIguy | Apr 17, 2008 11:57:22 AM
Dear ABC,
What a stupid, shallow debate. With the problems afflicting the world today, the best you can come up with are questions regard flag pins and whether somebody's former pastor loves America.
You should all feel a deep sense of shame.
Posted by: Glenn | Apr 17, 2008 12:00:06 PM
Both these women were convicted, and served time. Neither Ayers or Dohrn served time. I have not researched this, but I think I remember that there was talk in Chicago newspapers at the time that Ayers and Dohrn parents had somehow paid off somebody (Chicago politics). Both Ayers and Dohrn are from well-off families.
Posted by: svsolis | Apr 17, 2008 12:00:24 PM
Hillary neither served on a board with people from that radical group (Obama has) nor did she pardon them(President Clinton did). Just where is SHE involved with them? Nowhere. You are reaching to try to make her on par with Obama's ties to them.
Posted by: SM | Apr 17, 2008 12:04:22 PM
ABC NEWS: I'M A HUGE CHARLIE GIBSON FAN BUT THAT DEBATE WAS NOT A DEBATE. IT WAS OBVIOUSLY HOSTILE TOWARDS OBAMA AND MOST OF THE TIME WAS SPENT ON STUPID ISSUES WITH NO DEBATING, JUST ATTACKS ON OBAMA. IT'S THE ABSOLUTE WORST DEBATE OF THE 21! SHAME ON YOU!
Posted by: Judy Mulloy | Apr 17, 2008 12:04:43 PM
Hillary Clinton also has ties to Communists. She worked for Treuhaft, Walker, and Bernstein in Oakland. They represented radicals such as the Black Panthers. Treuhaft was a member of the Communist Party.
Posted by: JB | Apr 17, 2008 12:08:18 PM
Thanks for mentioning Willam C. Ayers - finally! It only took 2 years for ABCNews to wake up!
Thank you.
Posted by: Mohsen | Apr 17, 2008 12:09:29 PM
George S. used to work for Clintons!!!!
Posted by: Matt | Apr 17, 2008 12:11:06 PM
We need a new loyalty oath question: "Do you now know, or have you ever known a member of the Weather Underground?"
Posted by: Chuck | Apr 17, 2008 12:11:32 PM
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