House GOP Leaders Outline Health Care Plan – Without Numbers or Details

Isn't it just too fascinating that a bunch of Congressmen…Senators and Representatives, mainly on the right, but some also on the left, that benefit HUGELY, every year, and apparently quite satisfactorily from a "government run health program"…which ALL Congressmen enjoy for FREE, should be the very FIRST to decry a similar program for the American citizens who are the very people that PAY for that perk? Did you ever stop to wonder? Guess who's paying them off to say "NO"…just guess!

Don't the American people deserve as good healthcare as their representatives in Congress? Well…don't they?

This is a plan that makes greedy insurance companies decide your fate instead of you and your doctor. More of the same.

It is not the Fed's responsibility to provide you with health insurance. If you want gov't insurance, get a gov't job...until then, grow up and take care of yourself. Everyone else is not here to take care of you.

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It is not the Fed's responsibility to provide you with health insurance. If you want gov't insurance, get a gov't job...until then, grow up and take care of yourself. Everyone else is not here to take care of you.
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Why am I paying pay taxes? Why is my tax $$$$ used in paying somebody else`s insurance? Don`t the gov`t workers and Congressmen need to grow up?

Why shouldn`t the feds take off that burden that is forcing business bankrupt?

Why is healthcare a necessity rather than a luxury?

Why are the greedy insurance and drug companies paying off our congressmen to vote against universal health care?

Why shouldn`t we reform healthcare now and save all the money that is going waste?

The Insurance companies decide what health insurance will cover. If your Doctor states this procedure will save your life, the insurer will state it is not covered, and people have died. The Republican breed hate and intolerance, we seen this at the rallies the Republican ticket had. Also we pay taxes so these Republican politicians a long with the other two parties can enjoy can enjoy free insurance paid from by the American people, while the rest of us pay 25% out of each paycheck for ours along with an additional cost of the co-pay. Republican politicians are in bed with the insurance companies why else after 8 year they have done anything, I guess they were to busy cooking the Iraq books.

Jeff,

From my Psych 101 class, I know name calling is a sign of insecurity especially when one does not having any good argument to make.

I do believe in stopping insurance companies from determining what I get treated for. That`s between me and my doctor.

What the GOP is recommending is more of the same. It doesn`t adress how to lower health care cost. It lacks details and is no better than a bunch of talking points. And I am not surprised since it`s coming from the GOP, the party of NO.

The GOP is like a robot. Their answer to every problem is TAX CUT. Pretty pathetic.

What a surprise. A list of talking points with no numbers or substance. Meanwhile, Democrats are putting real bills on the line and getting real debate going with real cost estimates.

I hope they do come through with that bill that has real numbers and a real plan. It would be nice if the Republicans decides to start governing rather than just campaigning (Look at how we say No!).

A plan is nothing “Without Numbers or Details”! These are the same politicians minus Bush that had a plan for TAXPAYERS when they refused to let Medicare negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies. The plan was to hand Billions of your TAX dollars to two huge entities pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

Oh really Mike, You tell that to my friend that lost her husband because the insurer would not ok the procedure required to save her husbands life, even though they called over and over again. The doctor called the insurer over and over again, until the day and this is Ironic Mike Died. Tell that to his 10 year old daughter that found her dad dead on the stairs when she came home from school. The procedure that the doctor wanted to do would have saved this mans life. And you prove my point, hate and intolerance. Name calling to, oh yes in God we trust.

Mike_C:"You honestly beleive that if the govt is running the show, these things will magically disappear."

The documented fact is that in the other first world nations, that have a universal health care plan of some sort (some, like the Swiss, have a hybrid public/private) spend half what America does per capita on health care and lives as long or longer than Americans. (And Europe in general is not as enamored of padding life expectancy numbers by keeping granny on a machine for a year at the end of her life.)

In every real example of a national health care system, it is far cheaper and offers equivalent health outcomes on average. That is the documented facts.

Oh yes Sarah Palin, could not even recall what ligature she has read. Crap if she could not do this simple task, how would she lead congress.Question asked by a 3rd grader "They’re in charge of the U.S. Senate … really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes…"

"What a surprise. A list of talking points with no numbers or substance."

LOL....jlw...perhaps a visit to th dictionary is required for you on this one...

OUTLINE - remember making an outline in school?

By the way, NONE of these so called plans have any real detail. That has been the problem with govt run programs for decades.

The real issues are with the implementation of a plan. For example, the idea/plan that having the "great national medical database" is somehow going to save money.

Take a good long look at the nitty-gritty of that idea. while most doctors today do use computer systems, there is very little commonality between them. Customized databases, millions of people whose historical info is still in paper form stored in files. years upon years of xrays, mamograms, MRI's CAT scans.

It is in reality going to take YEARS to create the "all=powerful" centralized database. On the positive side, this task should employ thousands of people, but its going to be a long a tedious process as well as an expensive one!.

How far back in time should we go. Will there be any limits on how much data per person the system can hold?

should we toss out xrays from our childhood, WHO exactly will be making the call on how much of your current medical data will be placed in there. WHO decides on what is or is not important enough to go in? and what happens when the inevitable mistakes are made in translating data from one database to another or transcribing or scanning written records. Who will be double checking to make sure things like xrays, MRIs..etc are scanned with appropriate resolutions and clarity?

This is just scratching the surface of the REAL details and issues involved with just this one part of the healthcare issue. It is not anywhere near as simplified as Obama wants people to believe. You are complaining about Republicans lacking in this area, I would say Obama & the Dems are just as lacking. The problem is they are in the driver's seat on this now and if they decide to just drive off the cliff because they didn't pay attention to that road closed sign back there (kinda like not knowing the language of their own "Stimulator" bill had been changed"), then we all pay for the mistake!

"how would she lead congress"

LOL, certainly better than Joe "opps, i was asleep again" Biden & Nancy "It's not my fault, EVERYONE lied to me" Pelosi !

Mike_C:"By the way, NONE of these so called plans have any real detail."

That is a lie. There is already one full bill option that has the details and has received a budget analysis. That is a plan. There is another that is nearing completion.

It is a lie to say there are no complete plans out there. There are, and that's where the hard numbers are coming from for honest debate. They will hopefully change and evolve, but there are people working on this issue rather than blowing hot air like the House Republicans.

jlw,

I am talking about real true implementation. Not the fuzzy logic of these plans. Tell me exactly how these so-called plans are implementing the national medical records database.

what % of the premium costs are they going to pick up? What is the language of the plan when it comes to the decisions of what the course of treatments are. Are they picking up the full cost of those cant afford the premiums?

You had a post earlier out here about how the Swiss System should be a model for us. Well, there are aa couple of interesting things about the Swiss system you didnt bother to mention. The government regulates the costs. They select the drugs, tests and devices which are covered by the plans.
It is not quite the perfect system your making it out to be. There are different layers of coverages, and hence that means the fundamental level, that by law everyone must have, does not provide universal coverage. The govt pays only 25% of the premiums and that means its still over $1000/month for reasonable coverages for a family. They also still have a pre-exisiting conditions clause that means that insurers do not have to offer anything beyond the basic coverage to someone with them.

Not quite the utopia you want people to buy into.

Also, they have not been succesful at controling the costs of heathcare either. And they are only talking about covering 7.5 million people!

I'm sure ABC will promote the Democrats position, all $1.6 trillion for starters.

Republicans are useless. Leave them behind. They have done nothing - NOTHING - to find real solutions to the problems facing us. The only thing they've done since losing power is snipe and pray for failure. Real American of them. Country first? Yeah right.

If ANY of you think that President Obama's healthcare plan is the same as HIS own healthcare plan or the benefits that CONGRESS receives, YOU ARE VERY NAIVE. There are about 500 people in Congress, and 200 million taxpayers that pay for it. There is no way ON EARTH that everyone else in the country will get those same benefits. WHO WOULD PAY FOR IT? There's a huge difference between paying for these benefits for 500 people than paying for 300 million. Come on, people. Use your common sense! Someone commented that it's about time the "average Joe" receives the same plan as Congress. It will never happen! The Obama/Democratic plan will be similar to England and Canada...plain and simple. There will be MONTHS to wait for a doctor, and health care will be rationed. I have a friend who lives in the Toronto area, and she waits MONTHS for tests and for checkups. She has awful teeth because dental care is rationed as well. They all have Austin Powers teeth!!
The crisis is not in THIS nation. The health crisis is in ENGLAND and CANADA and other countries that have socialized medicine.

Not sure how you can defend the gop here.

For weeks they been whining about not enough info or numbers then they come out with exactly that.Lack of info and numbers.

When talking about cost people really need to look at how many hundreds of billions we spend in health care alone out of our OWN POCKETS. Then look at how much it would be to cover us all. Then take into consideration how much xtra dollars americans would have to spend after we get health care for all.

Its really not hard to add/subtract.

The gop/insurance agency biggest point is it will get rid of competition. Oh really? We have competition already?

Gop keeps touting MediGap Plan D as this huge success. Please....