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Hard Counts: There’s a big ‘I’ in ‘Win’ as Reid shops for votes

October 28, 2009 8:13 AM

Klein_3ABC News’ Rick Klein reports:

Who can count around here? (And who would want to know the results right now, anyway?)

Surely Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid didn't go through all that trouble just to give Sen. Joe Lieberman (or, in truth, any other senator in the Democratic caucus who feels like it at any given moment) the leverage once enjoyed by Sen. Olympia Snowe.

This is what it's going to be like finding 60 votes -- just like it's been from the start. Senators aren't wowed by a sense of inevitability, not when they can debate something forever by being one of 41.

Reid, D-Nev., delighted the left by injecting the public option into the Senate debate. Maybe he'll get points for trying. But the math is no less stubborn than it was before we had a Senate bill.

Building up will probably mean buying off -- and it's a seller's market when every vote means everything. (And does the price rise the longer this goes on -- and the more the pressure builds from the other side?)

If this is true (and it just might be) ... "Joe Lieberman is the least of Harry Reid's problems," said Reid, sounding like Bob Dole for the moment.

Gotta love Indy Joe (or not): "I will not support cloture on a bill I don't support," Lieberman, I-Conn., told reporters, per ABC's Z. Byron Wolf. (The "I" deserves boldface type, both in his quote and his party label.)

"Democrats expect Reid to spend the days ahead attempting to secure commitments from all 60 members of his caucus to allow the Senate to begin debate on the legislation, aimed at lowering health-care costs, reforming insurance practices and expanding coverage to about 30 million uninsured Americans," Shailagh Murray and Lori Montgomery write in The Washington Post. "But lawmakers said that if moderates' concerns do not prevent the Senate bill from advancing next month, the opt-out provision could be ditched on the floor."

"In the near term, at least, Reid will be judged on whether he can persuade his 60-vote, filibuster-proof majority to hold tight. He has one simple refrain that he repeats in private conversations with senators and that he repeated at Tuesday's Democratic luncheon: The caucus must stick together on health care reform," Politico's Carrie Budoff Brown reports.

"An air of jumpy uncertainty pervaded the Senate side of the Capitol yesterday, as packs of reporters surrounded senators on their way to their weekly luncheons to ask them about Reid's proposal," The Boston Globe's Lisa Wangsness and Susan Milligan report.

"Retreating on the public option would be embarrassment for Mr. Reid. But his effort has political merits, too. Most Democratic senators support a public option, and Mr. Reid may have believed that it was better to make a strong push, even if it fails, than not try at all," The Wall Street Journal's Janet Adamy, Patrick Yoest and Greg Hitt report.

Everyone has a price -- and for some, it's lower prices: "Outsized influence is falling to Democrats who are on the fence," the Los Angeles Times' Janet Hook and Noam N. Levey report. "They are being courted with possible concessions not just in broad policies -- such as ways to reduce the impact on the budget deficit -- but in provisions affecting home-state industries."

Forget 60 -- how about 55? Aside from Lieberman, "At least four Senate Democrats criticized the idea and won't commit to backing their party, and the two Republicans who have signaled a willingness to support health-care legislation said they won't vote for the program," Kristin Jensen and Brian Faler report for Bloomberg.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., on whether he's changed his view on whether 60 is possible for a public option: "I don't know. I don't know. I don't know."

Bob Shrum says Democrats should just be Democrats: "Unlike 1994, this time both liberal and moderate Democrats understand the danger if they don't pass a credible health-care bill. That's why, in the end, they will. And they may be propelled in that direction by reading not just the history of 1994, but the election returns of 2009 in Virginia and New Jersey," Shrum writes for The Week.

And cue the assault: The US Chamber of Commerce is launching a new TV ad campaign Wednesday, on national cable and in seven key states.

From the script: "Washington's latest health reform idea? An $800 billion health care bill… and a government run ‘public option.' With big tax increases… over $300 billion… even on health benefits. The Wall Street Journal says larger deficits are guaranteed… Inflated taxes… increased spending… and expanded government control over your healthcare. Call your senators. Tell them to say no to a government-run health care bill."

Can the House save it? "House Democratic leaders are preparing to unveil a health care overhaul including a version of the public insurance option favored by moderates that would allow the federal government to negotiate rates with doctors and hospitals, top Democratic aides said," Roll Call's Tory Newmyer writes. "The development is sure to anger some leading liberals, who have drawn a line in the sand on a public insurance option pegged to Medicare rates. But it comes after leaders determined through a rigorous, weeklong whipping effort that the approach fell far short of gathering the support it needed."

And can the president save his Afghanistan strategy?

A bombshell in The New York Times makes it a bit harder to find our friends: "Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president and a suspected player in the country's booming illegal opium trade, gets regular payments from the Central Intelligence Agency, and has for much of the past eight years," Dexter Filkins, Mark Mazzetti and James Risen report in The New York Times.

"The agency pays Mr. Karzai for a variety of services, including helping to recruit an Afghan paramilitary force that operates at the C.I.A.'s direction in and around the southern city of Kandahar, Mr. Karzai's home. The financial ties and close working relationship between the intelligence agency and Mr. Karzai raise significant questions about America's war strategy, which is currently under review at the White House."

Pressing the strategy: "October became the deadliest month for U.S. troops in the eight-year-old war in Afghanistan when two bombs killed eight soldiers and an interpreter in separate attacks Tuesday," Joshua Partlow reports in The Washington Post. "This time of year typically brings a decline in violence as insurgents regroup with cold weather approaching. Instead, the bloodiest days this month have displayed both the range of threats American soldiers face and the persistent danger of the most basic weapons."

"Combined with the deaths Monday of 11 U.S. servicemen and three agents from the Drug Enforcement Administration in separate helicopter crashes, 22 Americans have been killed in Afghanistan in the past two days," per ABC's Luis Martinez.

"The White House says that there's no way that these attacks are going to influence the president's decision," ABC's George Stephanopoulos said on "Good Morning America" Wednesday.

"There is an emerging consensus among Obama's team," he said -- including no "precipitous withdrawal"; a focus on protecting cities, building up the Afghan army and government; attempts to turn the Taliban; and new targeting of al-Qaeda.

Per The New York Times: "President Obama's advisers are focusing on a strategy for Afghanistan aimed at protecting about 10 top population centers, administration officials said Tuesday, describing an approach that would stop short of an all-out assault on the Taliban while still seeking to nurture long-term stability."

The political fight will come home, regardless of what path Obama chooses regarding combat forces: "There's an emerging consensus that additional trainers have to be deployed, because the key in the long term to avoid the repetition of this cycle is an Afghani security force that is capable and can provide basic stability," Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., said on ABCNews.com's "Top Line" Tuesday.

Tom Friedman, on Afghanistan: "It is crunch time on Afghanistan, so here's my vote: We need to be thinking about how to reduce our footprint and our goals there in a responsible way, not dig in deeper. We simply do not have the Afghan partners, the NATO allies, the domestic support, the financial resources or the national interests to justify an enlarged."

Big stakes for the secretary of state. ABC's Nick Schifrin: "Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived in Pakistan today for one of the longest visits by an American diplomat in years, an attempt to combat rising anti-Americanism here and convince a skeptical Pakistani public that the United States is a long-term, dependable ally. . . . Her 3-day visit, conducted under extraordinary security, comes in the middle of one of the Pakistani military's most important operations since 9/11 – a 30,000 troop offensive into South Waziristan, where Pakistan says more than 80 percent of the attacks in the country are planned."

Clinton told Pakistan's leading English newspaper, Dawn: "I hope on this trip I will be able to start that ball rolling, so to speak, so that maybe some in your country will say, ‘I really didn't have a good opinion before -- I thought it was all about, "Are you going to be with us or against us on the war on terrorism?"

A special moment at the Capitol, at 11 am ET Wednesday: 90-year-old former Sen. Ed Brooke, R-Mass., receives the Congressional Gold Medal at the Rotunda. President Obama will be there, making it the first (and perhaps the only) time the nation's first popularly elected African-American senator meets the nation's first African-American president.

Also on the president's schedule: "President Obama today will trumpet his administration's efforts to slash wasteful projects from defense spending when signing the Defense Authorization bill approving the Pentagon's funding blueprint," Christina Bellantoni reports for Talking Points Memo. "At 2:30 in the White House Rose Garden Obama will sign the measure authorizing 2010 spending of $680 billion. The president will laud Defense Secretary Robert Gates for helping him remove funding for F-22 fighter jets and a new fleet of presidential helicopters."

This one will be huge with talk radio: The Washington Times' Matthew Mosk has a long piece taking apart the Obama money operation.

"During his first nine months in office, President Obama has quietly rewarded scores of top Democratic donors with VIP access to the White House, private briefings with administration advisers and invitations to important speeches and town-hall meetings," Mosk writes. "High-dollar fundraisers have been promised access to senior White House officials in exchange for pledges to donate $30,400 personally or to bundle $300,000 in contributions ahead of the 2010 midterm elections, according to internal Democratic National Committee documents obtained by The Washington Times."

He continues: One top donor described in an interview with The Times being given a birthday visit to the Oval Office. Another was allowed use of a White House-complex bowling alley for his family. Bundlers closest to the president were invited to watch a movie in the red-walled theater in the basement of the presidential mansion."

Flashback to the campaign: "The argument is that I know it's muddy, and I want to clean it up," Obama said.

It looks like the administration is going to like Friday's numbers: "States have reported using stimulus money to create or save more than 388,000 jobs so far this year, buttressing the Obama administration's claim that the $787 billion plan has had a significant impact on the economy," Brad Heath and Matt Kelley write for USA Today. "That total, based on a USA TODAY review of reports from 33 states and Puerto Rico, includes teachers, construction workers, and others whose jobs were funded by stimulus money awarded to states. The administration plans Friday to release reports from all 50 states, providing the broadest accounting yet of the stimulus plan's impact."

Bill Gates' new mission: Telling the public that foreign aid to health programs works.

"It's not often you hear about a government program that's gone so well, in fact, even better than expected," said Gates, interviewed alongside his wife, Melinda, by ABC's Charlie Gibson on "World News" Tuesday. "We think when people hear about that, they'll support what's only a quarter percent of the budget being continued and even increased."

The Gates' new venture, The Living Proof Project, is an outlet for "impatient optimists."

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, R-Calif., not mincing letters: "It reads like an innocuous letter from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, explaining why he vetoed a wonky piece of legislation that would have made changes to ‘infrastructure financing districts,' " the Los Angeles Times' Michael Rothfeld reports. "But hidden in Schwarzenegger's text is another message: an obscene phrase apparently directed at the bill's author, Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), who ridiculed the governor earlier this month."

"A straight reading of the guv's letter laments ‘the fact that major issues are overlooked while many unnecessary bills come to me for consideration,' and concludes, ‘I believe it is unnecessary to sign this measure at this time,' " Phillip Matier and Andrew Ross write for the San Francisco Chronicle. "But a vertical read of the far-left-hand letters in each of the missive's eight lines offers a more blunt explanation: ‘I f--- you.' "

ABC's Teddy Davis: "The bill was unobjectionable to legislators of both parties: it sailed through the Assembly and state Senate on unanimous votes. It was vetoed, however, by Schwarzenegger who said in his message that he considers it ‘unnecessary' to sign the bill at this time because another year has gone by without the legislature tackling big issues such as water reform, prison reform, and health care."

Tight in New Jersey: "New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine leads Republican challenger Christopher Christie for the first time in their five-month slugfest, on top 43 – 38 percent among likely voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.  Independent candidate Christopher Daggett has 13 percent, with 5 percent undecided."

Is there even a Republican candidate anymore in NY-23? Accountable America gets into the outside-group spending game (take that, Club for Growth) on Wednesday, with an ad attacking Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman.

Learning a lesson? "Rep. Alan Grayson, the Florida Democrat who became a hero to some liberals by standing by his remark that Republicans want sick people to ‘die quickly,' issued an apology on Tuesday evening for calling a senior Federal Reserve adviser a ‘K Street whore' in a radio interview," ABC's Teddy Davis reports.

Let us know when she accepts (then let us know again when she actually shows up): The Iowa Family Policy Center has invited former Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska, to keynote an event next month. "Palin, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee, would be making her first visit to Iowa since campaigning here last year for candidate John McCain, should she accept the invitation," Tom Beaumont writes in the Des Moines Register.

Talking baseball: the AFL-CIO has placed print ads in the Hill papers, with MLB players including LaTroy Hawkins, Torii Hunter, John Lannan, Andrew Miller, J.J. Putz, Jimmy Rollins, Mark Teixeira, Justin Verlander, Shane Victorino and Adam Wainwright endorsing the Employee Free Choice Act.
 
"It makes sure everyone plays by the same rules," the ad says. "That's as important in the workplace as it is in baseball."

Fine, but does Jill Biden dare where a Phillies hat Wednesday night? "First Lady Michelle Obama and Dr. Jill Biden will be in the stands at Yankee Stadium on Wednesday night for Game One of the World Series between the New York Yankees and the Philadelphia Phillies," ABC's Karen Travers and Yunji de Nies report.


The Kicker:

"I wanted women to still hold their heads up so I didn't want to shoot triple bogies every hole." -- Melody Barnes, White House chief domestic policy adviser, to Maureen Dowd, after breaking the gender barrier in one of the president's foursomes.

"A lot of people are saying the polls don't look the way we want them to." -- President Obama, not mentioning that some of those people are on the White House payroll, and are talking, anonymously, to The Washington Post about it.


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It's okay! The baucus bill in the senate is poop anyway. 2010 Elections are coming soon. Just 13 months away! We get rid of the yellow dog democrats that call themselves blue dogs along with more republicans. We do it right and go single payer. No more co pays, no more 10 thousand dollar a day ICUs, no more 75 thousand dollar prosthetic limbs. We will hopefully get a list of the politicians that need to be sent packing and we move on!

Posted by: rightbehind | Oct 28, 2009 8:45:15 AM

I hope the DNC is looking for replacements to run against the yellow dog democrats that call themselves blue dogs. I say cut them loose. They are barnacles. We don't have long to wait to clean out more garbage. 2010 elections are just 13 months away and we got another 18 republican senate seats on the ballot! We know all of them need to be sent packing unless you believe in hedge funds, credit default swaps, derivatives, speculators, speculation, and bailouts. I say it time to call these dogs out and move on!

Posted by: rightbehind | Oct 28, 2009 8:51:34 AM

60 votes? Why? Just stick this healthcare obamination onto an appropriations bill and pass it with 51 votes. No GOP/Blue Dog/Joementum filibuster to worry about; no sweat. And Pelosi can push whatever she wants in the House.

The Republicans will scream, for a little while, but the media will hail Sen. Reid as a hero of the people. If the Republicans try to hold up anything in the Senate in protest, then the media will flood the airwaves 24/7 with charges of obstructionism and “party of No.” The Dems will lose a few seats in Congress in 2010 anyway, but they will still retain control. Then they can focus all their attention on passing Card Check and the Fairness Doctrine, and drive a stake through the heart of the GOP. Hey, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

Posted by: The Chicago Way | Oct 28, 2009 9:01:42 AM

rightbehind? yes elections are 13 months away but you might want to read the polls, the dems will be losing quite a few seats in both houses. The republicans are coming to save the day. NO GOVERNMENT OPTION!

Posted by: BRAD | Oct 28, 2009 9:03:20 AM

Just what part of "America has Spoken" does Reid not understand? We DO NOT want this, and yet Reid still insists on shoving it down our collective throats.

We cannot afford to even be spending any more time on this. If the Democrats want to sacrifice their precious power and positions, fine, I'll say good riddens in 2010

Posted by: Kevin | Oct 28, 2009 9:05:30 AM

rightbehind. it must be nice to live in a fantasy world. You had better look at the pools, because Dems are in trouble and Reid will be the first to go.

Posted by: sammy | Oct 28, 2009 9:07:48 AM

rightbehind, you might want to take that poop of a bill, because in 2010 we clean house of all dems and repubs that go for these Obamanation bills. The people of this country, it is time to stand up, get rid of big government, and clean house. 2009 Governor races in VA and NJ are just of sign of things to come.

Posted by: Joe Schmo | Oct 28, 2009 9:09:15 AM

2010 - 2010 - 2010! Looking to clean and REFRESH the Senate and the HOUSE! We want someone in those seats who will HONESTLY, SINCERELY and EARNESTLY represent their constituents!

Posted by: Nancy | Oct 28, 2009 9:10:40 AM

Just for giggles. Do those of you in favor of this, not realize that we cannot afford it? That the Gov't will manage to screw this up worse than any other country ever has?

Does it not matter that the majority of people want health care left alone? Or is it more important to simply "get the win"? What about the very survival of our country?

Ahhhh... never mind, see ya next year.

Posted by: Kevin | Oct 28, 2009 9:11:06 AM

So you folks here think the mid-term 2010 election is going to get you more Dem-wits? Ha! It's going to be a blood bath, the American people are so angry at the Dems right now that they are about to be made the minority party for years, maybe DECADES, to come. I too look forward to the 2010 elections, but not for the reasons you have stated here. We are going to install a Conservative Congress and will start dismantling the Obama Socialist agenda brick by brick and send that 1-term moron back to Chicago, hopefully never to be heard from again. Maybe he and Jimmy Carter can sit around and talk about the "good old days" of their failed presidencies.

Posted by: Bill from Tennessee | Oct 28, 2009 9:11:42 AM

"""no more 10 thousand dollar a day ICUs, no more 75 thousand dollar prosthetic limbs. """""

Posted by: rightbehind

How, exactly is this legislation going to lower the cost of ICU's or prosthetic limbs? I didn't read that in this bill. I only read about a government subsidized insurance program. Please point ouot which page supports your facts so I can read it.

Posted by: lfrichar | Oct 28, 2009 9:17:54 AM

rightbehind:

What are you basing this on?

"No more co pays, no more 10 thousand dollar a day ICUs, no more 75 thousand dollar prosthetic limbs."

If you truly think a govt-run health program is good for America, you probably have no clue how many govt-run programs are doing badly. You probably get all of your news from Obama cheerleaders, but even Obama himself slips up once in a while and blurts out the truth. Like when he said the Postal Service is always having problems.

And Social Security, bankrupt. If you need further prooof, just look at my homestate, Michigan. Ever since Granholm got her patties in the tax pie, it has only gotten worse. Now that she's run so many businesses out of the state with her unfriendly business climate, she wants to hike taxes even more!!! And to force the issue, she singlehandedly doubled the monetary cuts to grades K-12. Now she thinks lawmakers will be shamed into raising taxes, I guess.

Do you see a pattern here, rightbehind, or do you truly think more and bigger government is a good thing???

Posted by: MichiganBlues | Oct 28, 2009 9:23:41 AM

I can't wait until 2010 when hopefully the socialists in washington will be kicked out of power and replaced with conservative capitalists.

Posted by: Dave | Oct 28, 2009 9:25:18 AM

The media is incredibly naive to believe that the Reid proposals is any more groundbreaking or important than, say, the Baucus bill. Both are just intermediary stops on the roads to a final reform bill.

Will a final Senate bill even include a public option? Who knows? Nothing is settled, and that's hardly a disaster for the president.

Posted by: matt | Oct 28, 2009 9:25:53 AM

I am also looking forward to the 2010 elections. This time around conservatives are going to get out and vote because the government is too big, spends too much, and never gets anything right.

Posted by: Will | Oct 28, 2009 9:28:57 AM

I hope Reid rams the bill through the Senate with 51 votes. Talk about tearing this country apart. If the rules don't work in your favor, change the rules, just like they did in Massachusetts when Kennedy died. This is how Revolutions start, one "bad decision" at a time.

Posted by: Mike Jones | Oct 28, 2009 9:29:38 AM

Got news for you conservatives or republicans or whatever you call yourselves these days. The local tea party in Cincinnati this weekend couldn't even attract enough people to surround a city building. Their event was called we have you surrounded. Their plan was to surround the building of the local democratic congressman. Based on the video I seen the attendance surrounding even that one building was highly unlikely. Most are catching on that those in attendance are nut cases. There are over 2.1 million people that live within a 10 mile radius of that event. They also were at most exit ramps handing out flyer's announcing the event 3 days before. The real tea party began more than 4 years ago. My prediction is the republicans are going to loose another 8 of the 18 senate seats on the ballot in 2010. GOP = RIP Just hope they replace some of those yellow dogs with real democrats.

Posted by: rightbehind | Oct 28, 2009 9:37:31 AM

Rick Klein wrote: "Fine, but does Jill Biden dare where a Phillies hat Wednesday night? "
Rick, if you can't even spell "wear" correctly, how can anyone ever take you seriously? What kind of crap passes for journalism (and journalists) these days?

Posted by: ricardo maxwell | Oct 28, 2009 9:42:12 AM

rightbehind:
What are you basing this on?
MichiganBlues >>>>>>
The same thing Obama is basing his statements on. Nothing. The Press has still to ASK the ultimatte question WHAT proposal or bill is Obama talking about? I can say I want health care that lowers cost and delivers more for less. SO WHAT.. The devil is always in the details. So far all the bills will RAISE premiums. Yeah RAISE EM according to the CBO. And one was already 250 BILLION off. Thats 1/3 the estimated total cost. The Press are still acting like Lap Dogs. They cant seem to get in there and really drive home the point that so far this administration has been a total pie in the sky failure.
Guess they never will since they bought into the lie. BUT there is hope. Even a hard cord liberal friend has now tired of Obama and his crew.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | Oct 28, 2009 9:44:05 AM

Rightbehind. Do your homework. The removal of the 1939 Glass-Steagall Act paved the way for the destruction that followed. Republicans introduced it. Republicans passed it. It was a Democrat by the name of Bill Clinton who signed it into law. So if either party were so interested in their constituents it didn't show that day. So why do you expect either party to show any interest now? It's all about power to them and always has been.

The Chicago Way. Paving the way for even more political abuse and using quotes from Karl Marx is not the way to resolve this issue. Considering the wiz bang job the govt has done thus far on other programs. And considering that they are running a deficit of 1.7trillion and the national debt is 12 trillion and growing. Not to mention that the country is still in the middle of a recession (jobless recover my a$%, no such thing). I have to honestly say that we just can't afford it.

Posted by: Larry | Oct 28, 2009 9:44:34 AM

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