Dem Defections Pile Up on Health Care

While questioning funding for abortion is certainly a worthy cause, why aren't these rational Dems questioning the funding for the whole darn bill? This bill is ludicrous. No one knows what's buried in it's absurd 2000 pages. Can't a Democrat stand up and say we can't afford another entitlement program. We can't borrow or print enough money to pay for this disaster of a bill.

Let's all hope that there are enough sane and independent thinkers in the House of Representatives who will tell Nancy P. where she can stck her stinker of a bill and prevent its passage. The American people do not want this 2000 page mess!!!!

Of course it's going to be tough to make it to 218 votes. The multi-trillion dollar health care industry has spent literally hundreds of millions of dollars to kill this bill and bought one entire party outright.

America can't afford the insane spiraling of health care costs. If we continue to spend twice as much as the average first world nation (and get on average _lower_ life expectancy for it) America simply won't be a first world nation in a decade's time. Our businesses are weighed down with massive health care costs that no other first world nation corporation is saddled with.

We can't afford the status quo anymore. A trillion dollars a year is sucked out of America's economy versus other first world nations and for what? I believe America is the best nation on Earth, but the cold hard facts show that our health care - at twice the cost - isn't even making average.

jhw539

Have no fear. Obama will take care of
his own.....with Soros money, if neces-
sary.

Has Speaker Pelosi posted the bill online? She promised it would be online for public view for the 72 hours prior to the vote.

Have no fear. Obama will take care of
his own.....with Soros money, if neces-
sary.
grizzlybare | Nov 6, 2009 9:30:50 PM

What does that even mean? Is the right wing now just stringing together ominous words like some sort of malevolent sentence generating program?

Has Speaker Pelosi posted the bill online?
spoutinghorn | Nov 6, 2009 9:32:58 PM

The main bill has been posted for over three days. It speaks volumes about your false concern that you are unaware of this.

Pay your $15,000 per American family per year healthcare bill to your government, or be fined $250,000 and/or spend 5 years in jail. It's in the Bill! http://tinyurl.com/ykhk3k3
DJ | Nov 6, 2009 10:39:36 PM

More paranoid exageration from the right wing. Yeah, if you DON'T PAY YOUR TAXES, including the watered down penalty for not carrying health insurance (ie, freeloading off the ER system for catastrophic coverage), you can go to jail. Guess what - if you claim your dog as a dependent to not pay income tax, you could go to jail to.

BREAKING NEWS FROM REPUBLICANS: IF YOU REFUSE TO PAY YOUR TAXES YOU MAY GO TO JAIL - THIS IS THE DEMOCRATS FAULT!!11!

Hey Congress . . .remember you work for us. It is really quite simple. If you vote for this bill, we are going to vote YOU out of office.

This is truly a great day for America. A day where no American should have to die from lack of health care. I for one am glad to see this historic day and am glad I gave Obama and the Democrats my vote.

It is a pleasure to see American's stand up to those who claim to be looking out for America. The constitution begins with "We the people..." and tomorrow the voices of the majority will finally be heard over the minority, corporations and special interest.

I cannot believe the amount of clueless and ignorant people who post here. This is a great day? Over a trillion dollars about to be siphoned over is a great day? Get your head out of your asses, we are broke!! Completely and utterly broke and no amount of stimulus is going to save us.

Yes, we spend a lot on health care, but we are also the richest country in the world. There are plenty of proposals to reduce health costs - yet the Pelosi bill does NOT DO THAT.

The fine or jail clause is in the Pelosi bill, but not the Senate bill. jhw539 doesn't have all the information. As to special interests, the unions are getting big time payments out of this bill. I don't know where all this strong arming from the insurance companies is coming from. Obama's people threatened them into silence, like they do all dissenters. Health care will not be free. You will have to pay for it. The IRS will decide what you can afford. That's in the bill whether you want to believe it or not.

You still-clueless HopeyChangey types had better get a clue REAL fast! If you think 10.2% unemployment, the highest in 26 years and the second highest since the Great Depression is bad, just wait until this $1.8 Trillion Bill is passed! The single largest government program in our nation's history. The second record government boondoggle since the immaculation of the great and wonderful messiah, T.O.T.U.S.

And to the moron who posted the brainless comments about "pay your taxes or go to jail now": you DO realize that this $15,000/yr per family is in ADDITION TO what you already pay in taxes! That's $1,250 month IN ADDITION to what you ALREADY PAY in taxes! So help yourselves to "FREE 0bummer Healthcare" or go to jail for 5 years. This from the candidate who lied repeatedly during the campaign that "95% of Americans will NOT see a tax increase" yada, yada. Good luck with that!

How's that Hopenchange crap workin' out for ya?

"The fine or jail clause is in the Pelosi bill, but not the Senate bill. jhw539 doesn't have all the information."
pam | Nov 6, 2009 11:49:29 PM

CITE THE PAGE AND LINE NUMBER. The bill is posted online and has been for a while now - we all have all the information. Jailing is not in the bill. The bill cites a fine be levied as a tax if you do not carry insurance. THAT'S IT. If you don't pay your taxes, yes you can go to jail, happened to almost 500 people last year. How shocking.

Again, if you are not grossly exaggerating and/or flat out lying, CITE THE PAGE AND LINE NUMBER MANDATING "JAILING".

.. and one more thing JHW: you stated "More paranoid exageration [sic] from the right wing.."

So 3 things: (1) either you can't read (you know .. I posted a link which gives the exact part of the Bill verbatim which describes the penalties), or (2) you are incapable of clicking link. Or maybe you're just going for that ignorance-thing that it takes to be a follower of 0bummer and are afraid to read the truth, and (3) you can't spell.

Yes, we spend a lot on health care, but we are also the richest country in the world.
arkady | Nov 6, 2009 11:38:24 PM

And for spending on average twice as much per person our life expectancy is LOWER than average - even though we smoke less and have literally seen acts of Congress to keep a brain dead woman 'alive'.

Sheez! You 0bama people are a clueless lot!

I'm going to make it even easier for you. Us intelligent people who DIDN'T fall under the spell of the messiah-of-Hopenchange always have to pick up the slack (and pay the bill).

"“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]"

I'm also going to call you out on your "life expectancy is lower than average" statement. I want you to back that up with actual FACTS, with citations for reference. Because I have intimate knowledge in this discipline, and I KNOW you can't back that up!

Waiting ..

I'm also going to call you out on your "life expectancy is lower than average" statement. I want you to back that up with actual FACTS, with citations for reference. Because I have intimate knowledge in this discipline, and I KNOW you can't back that up!

Waiting ..
Posted by: DJ | Nov 7, 2009 12:13:03 AM

The current CIA world factbook, life expectency by country. United States is FIFTIETH in the world, just ahead of Albania. Google it up.

So does documented and cited reality have any impact on your opinions at all? And your intimate knowledge seems to be wrong - go ahead and pick out the first world countries from that list and you'll see how woeful the US life expectancy really is. Where is your cite?