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Palin Gives New Life to 'Death Panels'

November 09, 2009 11:24 AM

Klein_3ABC News’ Rick Klein reports:

Sarah Palin is bringing "death panels" back to life.

Three months after creating a firestorm with a widely debunked claim that President Obama's plans could leave her son with Down syndrome's fate decided by a "death panel," Palin is again raising the specter of "death panels" in arguing against Democrats' health care plans.

In a posting on her Facebook page late Saturday, Palin, R-Alaska, said the fact that the House adopted an amendment barring the use of public funds for abortions shows that Democrats weren't being honest when they assured the public that abortions wouldn't be covered under the bill.

Palin added: "We had been told there were no 'death panels' in the bill either. But look closely at the provision mandating bureaucratic panels that will be calling the shots regarding who will receive government health care."

At a speech Friday night in front of a gathering of abortion opponents in Wisconsin, Palin didn't say "death panels." But she left the same impression in saying that if policy-makers don't value the life of a child in a womb, "perhaps the same mind-set applies to other persons."

"And what about the child who perhaps isn't deemed normal or perfect per someone's subjective measure of their use or questionable purpose in the eyes of a panel of bureaucrats making our health care decisions for us," Palin said, according to Politico's Jonathan Martin, who was at the event.

A Palin spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a request for comment from ABC News.

Democrats are teeing off over the fact that Palin is bringing "death panels" back into the discussion, after non-partisan fact-checkers have repeatedly rejected such claims:

"The only demise she hastens with her outrageous fear-mongering, extremist rhetoric and right-wing regressive positions is that of a viable Republican Party going into 2010 and beyond," said Hari Sevugan, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee.

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The Health Choices Commissioner is still in the bill and will be in charge of what care you get. Common sense dictates that an increase of people + a decrease of funds and doctors = rationing. Another interseting twist is that US citizens will be fined or jailed if they do not purchase healthcare insurance, yet Timothy Geitner evaded taxes, Charlie Rangel didn't report income to the IRS,Kevin Jennings didn't report child sexual abuse and receive a free get out of jail pass, go figure!

Posted by: Downwithsocialism | Nov 9, 2009 11:43:46 AM

Ms Palin is a chronic liar who would set herself on fire to get attention. As a registered nurse, her moronic and irresponsible comments on healthcare are infuriating. Why are public figures allowed to lie? A shame her mother wasn't on birth control

Posted by: leogorky | Nov 9, 2009 11:53:23 AM

yet Timothy Geitner evaded taxes, Charlie Rangel didn't report income to the IRS,Kevin Jennings didn't report child sexual abuse and receive a free get out of jail pass, go figure!

but none of them ran on the GOD platform while cheating on their wives, trolling bathrooms, sending love letters to boys, while covering for each other

Posted by: today | Nov 9, 2009 11:58:30 AM

Palin is an artesian well of ignorance. She's the Republican gift to Democrats that just keeps on giving.

Moose Barbie is a great example of "it is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

May Sarah never stop running her mouth!

Posted by: Doppelganger | Nov 9, 2009 12:02:02 PM

Why does anyone still listen or publish what Palin has to say. She graduated from five colleges in six years dammit and should have stuck to beauty contests and the entertainment industry. There is nothing deep or well reasoned ever come out of Palin.

Because there was well intentioned disagreement among democrats about how far the BAN on abortion went? Heck, a more conservative group could fault the agreement further (refuse to even let women pay outside exchanges for their own choices and remove the exceptions on rape, incest, or threat to the mother) and would that mean the current ammendment is a lie also? This attempt by some GOPers to turn a health care bill into a new abortion bill or a new comprehensive immigration reform bill is not right or possible and Americans should stop getting jerked by this silliness.

Posted by: J. Richter | Nov 9, 2009 12:09:29 PM

So many people refer to Ms. Palin's comments in a derisive manner. They refer to her as a "gift" to those who support healthcare reform. Isn't it interesting, however, that the statements she makes seem to resound with people and the media continues to pick up on everything she says? She may say things in ways that don't sound scholarly or highly intellectual to some, but she speaks the language of the common person. Agree with her or not, in many ways she has become the voice of people who are frustrated and disgusted with the typical inside-the-beltway, Washington DC mentality right now.

Posted by: bkm | Nov 9, 2009 12:14:08 PM

You may not lile Paline but she is telling the truth if you are old or really sick the gov. health care will not be there for you.If you think Health care is exsensive now wait till its free or everone is covered. The true liers in this programs are the ones that say it will be good and it will cover 95% of Americans. Ive said before if this is so great then why does it not cover then or there families.As for controlling cost there is not one thing in this bill to do that plus they have made it a crimanial act not not buy there insurance.

Posted by: dlamrine | Nov 9, 2009 12:15:13 PM

What part of it's already limited can't so many get?

Palin's only saying this because she's not getting enough attention.

Posted by: secondlook | Nov 9, 2009 12:19:53 PM

It's amazing how Ms. Palin can be so disrespectful and they call her a so-called conservitive. If anything this bill will help individuals with special needs. She can afford coverage for her son with down sydrome, however there are average American citizens who cannot afford the proper care for their special needs kids and are hundreds and thousands of dollars in debt with medical bills and that's with health coverage.

Posted by: justayreal | Nov 9, 2009 12:26:52 PM

Sarah...Sarah....come out, come out, wherever you are.
Don't be scared..
America has intelligent questions for you.
Facebook is a crutch...

Posted by: today | Nov 9, 2009 12:36:25 PM

Okay... its time to shut BabyDoll down. The media just should not provide coverage to her unless she is willing to sit with the press to fully explain her views. Its time to end this FaceBook/smoke signal strategy. Without question this woman has the "power" to draw. Now its time to make her accountable of it. If she has something say, I say give her a forum by which she can, but also to be objectively questioned. Her previous claim was debunked, yet she nearly caused a derailment of the Healthcare initiative. It's fine if she disagrees but I for one would like to hear what facts exactly she is basing her claims upon.

Posted by: FS | Nov 9, 2009 12:45:42 PM

Go Sarah!

Posted by: tina | Nov 9, 2009 12:53:01 PM

PEOPLE!!!! Just what do you think insurance companies are? They decide which procedures they wil cover,NOT you, NOT EVEN YOUR DOCTOR. Insurance companies play God on a daily basis.

Posted by: jenny | Nov 9, 2009 12:53:03 PM

CORRECT JENNY!!! Someone should bring the 2002 film, "John Q" to BabyDoll's attention! I do recommend the fil to those who have not seen it. Below is a synopsis:

John Quincy Archibald (Denzel Washington) is with his wife Denise (Kimberly Elise) at his son's baseball game. As his son (Daniel E. Smith) runs around the bases and heads to second, he grabs his chest and collapses. After a series of tests at the hospital, John is informed that Michael has an enlarged heart and will need a transplant. However, his health insurance has been changed by the company he works for to a cheaper option and the new policy does not cover the surgery, so they must raise $75,000 (30% of the $250,000 transplant fee) in order to get their son's name on the list of likely recipients of an available heart. The family tries to raise the money by selling some of their possessions and helping out their neighbors, but to no avail. Eventually, the hospital gets tired of waiting for payment and decides to release Michael.

This film in a sense was one before its time. It was a great story about HMO's and what treatments they allow or won't.

...hmmm, the current HMO's sound more like death panels to me! Jes' sayin'

Posted by: FS | Nov 9, 2009 1:02:24 PM

Joe Wilson deserves an apology. Obama stood in front of the nation and lied to everyone one of us about abortion not being in the health care reform bill. If it was NOT in the bill, then why did they have to pass the ammendment Saturday night?

Why doesn't the media question Obama about his big fat lie to the nation?

Posted by: grannysunni | Nov 9, 2009 1:03:12 PM

While Palin may be over exaggerating the issue, the basic premise is not without valid indications, that such may eventually become the case, at least to some degree.

That has actually happened in the UK's National Health Service, where some care is in fact denied, due to the individual's advanced age.

There is no reason to expect, that governmental control would be any different here, than there.

Perhaps the true indication, is whether treatment is at least provided to relieve pain for those who are denied other treatment.

Of course, National Health Care in the US, will eventually become necessary, in order to remove the profiteering from health care, and control costs. Nothing less will accomplish the goal of reducing costs.

Perhaps we won't see "Logan's Run" kind of mandated extinction by age 30 (or perhaps we will), but there is no doubt, that excessive world populations will become a prime factor in discouraging keeping people alive, past a point in the aging process.

It should become obvious, of course, that all of the attention being paid to prolonging people's longevity, is counterproductive, in a world that is already so overpopulated with humans, that we are destroying the planet, through our numbers.

Health care would be much better advised, to concentrate on disease control, rather than longevity extension, not so much to keep people alive, but to relieve suffering.

In the end, of course, we have only 40 yrs. until our numbers get too large for the planet to recover from, so if we haven't done anything about population control by then, the process is likely to become irreversible anyway, and the entire issue of health care will become of no particular importance, as the planet will enter its final decline and death.

The true Armageddon, is overpopulation of the species.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | Nov 9, 2009 1:03:50 PM

leogorky -

I'm all for stopping the lies coming from our government... let's start at the top with our president.

Posted by: Shane | Nov 9, 2009 1:15:13 PM

Rick Klein - Obama suck up and Robert Gibbs wannabe. The facts are that palin has a point and the media can't stand it!

Posted by: Sandra | Nov 9, 2009 1:18:22 PM

"And what about the child who perhaps isn't deemed normal or perfect per someone's subjective measure of their use or questionable purpose in the eyes of a panel of bureaucrats"

Well, lets look at reality for a moment. In the UK under fully nationalized health care, such an imperfect child (which NO ONE has ever proposed for the US), such a child received 67 years (and counting) of intensive and exemplary care. He is now one of the most distinguished theoretical physicians of his generation, Stephen Hawking, and has explicitly thanking the British National Health Service for their high quality socialized care.

But that's just reality; I wonder why the opponents of health care have to keep painting non-existent dark fantasies to argue against health care?

Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 9, 2009 1:34:09 PM

Doh - my last post was mangled to incomprehensibility. Should read:

"Well, lets look at reality for a moment. In the UK under fully nationalized health care (which NO ONE has ever proposed for the US), such an imperfect child, received 67 years (and counting) of intensive and exemplary care. He is now one of the most distinguished theoretical physicists of his generation."

Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 9, 2009 1:36:05 PM

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