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The Role of Race
February 15, 2008 9:35 AM
Race has been a riveting factor in the Democratic presidential primaries; even beyond sex, age and socioeconomics, it looks to be the single most powerful demographic in vote choices – at least for nonwhites.
Witness New Mexico, which Hillary Clinton last night was announced to have won by a razor-thin 1,709 votes – despite losing white voters there by a 12-point margin. The reason: her 26-point victory among Hispanics.
I wrote last week about white men as a swing group; it proved out in Virginia and Maryland. But differing vote preferences between African-Americans and Hispanics are essential as well, and especially worth evaluating with an eye toward the Texas primary ahead.
There is some tension here. In aggregate exit poll data from the Super Tuesday states, just 3 percent of whites called the race of the candidate “the single most important factor” in their vote; that rose to 12 percent among Hispanics. Voters in both those groups favored Clinton by roughly 3-1 margins, 73-22 percent among whites, 72-27 percent among Hispanics – in both cases, better for Clinton than she did among whites and Hispanics who gave less importance to the candidates’ race.
Among black voters, 6 percent called race the single top factor and 83 percent of them went for Obama, but so did 82 percent of all other blacks.
Obama surprised Clinton among Hispanics in Virginia this week, seemingly beating her by 54-46 percent; that only happened previously in Connecticut, 53-43 percent. In fact, though, the sample size in both states was too small for reliable analysis, and the difference between the candidates was within sampling tolerances.
More reliable is the overall result among Hispanics: Across all primaries to date, Clinton’s won them by 61-34 percent. Her 67 percent support from Hispanics in California (where Obama won white men by 20 points) and by 55 percent in Arizona (where white men split evenly) were crucial to her winning those states. New Mexico’s the latest example.
As with whites, socioeconomic status plays into the Hispanic vote. Clinton has done 10 points better among Hispanics who don’t have a college degree (65-32 percent, vs. 55-42 percent among Hispanic college graduates) and among those with less than $50,000 in family incomes (67-30, vs. 57-40 percent among better-off Hispanics). She’s helped in this population by the fact that Hispanic voters are less likely to be college graduates (32 percent vs. 39 percent of blacks and 54 percent of whites) and more apt than whites to have incomes under $50,000 (49 percent of Hispanics vs. 33 percent of whites.)
Clinton’s done 11 points better with Hispanic women (66-31 percent over Obama) than with Hispanic men (55-39 percent). Among whites, she's won women overall by 59-34 percent, but managed only a dead heat among men, 45-44 percent.
Among blacks, meanwhile, the surge to Obama since December has been remarkable. In the last pre-primary ABC News/Washington Post poll last year, Clinton led Obama among blacks by 52-39 percent. That changed after Obama established his credentials by winning Iowa; across all primaries to date he’s won African-Americans by 79-17 percent.
Whites have accounted for 61 percent of Democratic primary voters; 20 percent have been blacks, ranging from a low of 1 percent in New Hampshire to a high of 55 percent in South Carolina. Hispanics have accounted for 14 percent overall, peaking at 35 percent in New Mexico and 30 percent in California, where their turnout was up sharply from 16 percent in 2004. The Texas primary is March 4; in 2004 Hispanics accounted for 24 percent of Democratic primary voters there, blacks, 21 percent.
All these number stand in sharp contrast to the Republican primaries, in which voters have been divided much more by religious belief (evangelical vs. non-evangelical) and ideology. There’s good reason race hasn’t been a factor: Whites have accounted for 88 percent of Republican primary voters, compared with 61 percent of Democrats. Hispanics, at 6 percent of GOP voters, are less than half as prevalent in the Republican ranks as in the Democratic. And blacks, two in 10 Democratic voters, account for just 3 percent of Republicans in this year's primaries.
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I think the white men in pennsylvania and Ohio, maybe even Wisconsin might have something else to say about it. Does anyon ereally think calling the Clinton's racists is going to help Obama, or democrats retake the white house?
The Clinton's have done so much for black communities over decades of political life. It is actually revolting to see what is being done to them by the black community. It may not be apparent right now, but this will come back at them hard. If not sooner in other democratic primaries then later. How terribly terribly sad.
Posted by: s.b. | Feb 15, 2008 9:55:48 AM
Can anyone point me to new conspiracy theories that have Obama not Osama as the third historical antichrist according to Nostradamus? His name fits better with MABUS = Bush + ObaMA.
Posted by: Tom | Feb 15, 2008 9:56:19 AM
ABCNEWS Quote explaining Latinos for Clinton: "It's simply that Latinos know her better, there is name recognition, Latinos still remember good economic times with Bill Clinton," said Jorge Ramos, a Univision television anchor". So, for Latinos it is like "The candidate we know is better than the candidate we don't".
The US ELECTORAL VOTES map looks like a baseball field with big states with Latino voters like Florida as the 1st base, NY as second base, CA as the 3rd base and home plate-TEXAS to complete the LATINO GRAND SLAM for Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Angel | Feb 15, 2008 10:00:49 AM
When I listen to Roger Clemens talk about being raised by his mother, I wonder why Obama doesn't. Considering both his Muslim fathers left him to be raised by his white mother and grandparents, I cannot respect nor support a candidate that exploits the black race card when the opposite is true. I do not believe he will be a better solution for this country when it just perpetuates the racial divide. At least the Clintons go both ways.
Posted by: Tim | Feb 15, 2008 10:05:01 AM
You know I'm sure the Obama camp would be calling everyone racist if they didn't allow Florida and Michigan's delegates to vote at convention if he had won these states. 100% sure. It's so cheap and so sad to misuse this word. It diminishes real acts of rascism and real victims of racism to talking points and politics.
Posted by: s.b. | Feb 15, 2008 10:12:07 AM
I wonder what news stories we would see if whites voted 95%-5% for a white candidate vs a better known black candidate?
I mean afterall, if we ignored politics for, oh let's say, 25 years, it is obvious then, that when one of ours runs for office, we would KNOW he or she was better than the other candidate because . . . why?
You wouldn't know who was best because you have not been taking part for years. Therefore to claim now, out of the depths of time, that you have awakened with the knowledge that you KNOW Obama is better is simply LUDICROUS, and I don't mean the artist spelled differently.
Claiming now to know Obama will do the job is impossible. You haven't paid attention to the past but you know the future? You have not participated in elections, nor watched debates, nor volunteered for campaigns, but the moment a black candidate appears, who the media builds as a uniter and the media twists an Iowa win into a white acceptance of black folks, you are right there to say you ALWAYS KNEW he was the one.
Two years ago you didn't even know who he was. And if asked to day, without google, to tell the world all you know about his record and his achievements wouldn't fill a demi-tasse espresso cup.
So voting suddenly 95%-5% means WE as non AA's are the racists for demanding a fair hearing on Obama's record. Demanding we hear and see proof is racist, is it? Really? We are the racists because we are demanding evidence to support the speeches he doesn't even write himself? We are the racists, because we are not swallowing the Movement Kool-Aide willingly? And we are married to minorities, have minorities in the family, including AA, Jews, Catholics, Gays, poor members and rich, but that family make-up is one of white supremacy?
You should be ashamed to wave racism around like a weapon to avoid answering questions you don't want to face. That is wrong and is typical of people trying to hide from truth by throwing up smoke from the past. If they label all discent as racism there is no chance for free speech, and that suits them just fine, when it comes time to face the music.
Please let's not turn this into a racism contest to see who can name the most McCarthy-type violators in the shortest period of time. McCarthism was a nightmare and it might not be far beyond the horizon :(
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | Feb 15, 2008 10:14:35 AM
If the Clinton's are racist, then I must be some monster in a white cape because I haven't dedicated decades to helping black communities.
Posted by: s.b. | Feb 15, 2008 10:27:22 AM
Is anyone in the DNC not concerned about Jessee Jackson and others pressuring black superdelegates to vote for Barack so that "the first black president" will get in office?
I'm highly disappointed and concerned. I thought America was beyond this mentality in the 21st century. This contest should be about the best qualified person leading our country - not race, gender, sex.
Concerned enough along with others to consider going to the other side to vote - Time to end all of this - I fear it will end up in our country becoming divided and in strife. There are already fights in schools, out about "black vs white." We've left the 60's behind us I thought. I thought we were American's first... plain/simple Americans...?
Disappointed in this presidential race for our democratic party.
Posted by: Betsy | Feb 15, 2008 10:28:25 AM
i am sick at the bias against hillary,but we do not hear any opposition to it,but oh yes its always racial, i will be praying and voting for hillary,her intellect, her experience make her the best candidate. i was under the impression good jounalism,was not biased. dee
Posted by: de | Feb 15, 2008 10:34:32 AM
The whites support Obama, because they don't want to be labeled racist. On the other hand, when 90% blacks vote for Obama for his race, it is brother and sister votes. The Hispanics and other races are free to vote whom they think the most qualified candidate. They pick the one who can deliver the promisses, not just the rhetoric with no substance. Hillary is the choice!
Posted by: tigerjcs | Feb 15, 2008 10:42:27 AM
I am so tired of the race card being played. Obama is only getting the votes cause he's a black man who talks like a preacher. If you forget that Obama is black and Clinton is a woman what do you have? Watch the debates and forget about the color and the sex and just listian to them both. Clinton is more factual and to the point where Obama beats around the bush. He may sound like JFK but look what happened to him. Do you really think times have changed that much where that wouldn't happen again? Clinton is the most experienced, the more to the point and she sure won't back down on anything. Not to mention the fact that how many married couples are there really where the woman dosen't wear the pants. Don't let her chest fool you, she is more aggresive then most men I know. If you vote for Obama you might as well throw your hands up in the air and hope to pray the good lord takes you soon before all hell breaks loose.
Posted by: KITOJJ | Feb 15, 2008 10:45:19 AM
A Response to Tim of | Feb 15, 2008 10:05:01 AM and others: It is unfortunate that people like who don't read, travel or do any research that make comments like Barack Obama never talks about his white mother. First of all, he doesn't need for someone like you to tell how to call his mother. She "was" his mother and not his "white mother." When she fed him, clothed him and provided the best edication that this country has to offer, she was his mother and not his "white" mother. Second, Barack has always (and I saw him do it at the JJ Dinner in Richmond,VA) talked about how he was raised by his mother and grandparents after his father left when he was two. If there is one about Sen. Obama, he has been very honest and clear about his past, present and what he wants to do for this country going forward. My only suggestion to you is that you read and do your research before make such "factually" inaccurate statement.
Lastly, the black race has never needed and will never need the Clintons, Bushes or Obamas to do for them what they can't do for themselves. Every black man or women is responsible to chart their own course for the future individually. Unfortunately, some of you are still living in the 1960's mindset. Barack may be black, but in the words of Colin Powell...he is an American man running for the presidency who happens to be BLACK. Likewise, Hillary is an American running for president who happens to be a WOMAN..and thank God for her also.
This is still the land of the "free" and the home of the brave.
Wake before history leaves your name of the roll.
Thanks
Dekonti
Posted by: Dekonti | Feb 15, 2008 10:46:56 AM
Media, you are responsible for the division of people and causing hatred between communities. No one asked you to give the breakdown of all these.
What do you benefit by seeing people devided or start hating each other? This is not what you are paid for. And I think those who are paying you, are not proud of the division you are creating right now.
Posted by: Peace | Feb 15, 2008 10:51:36 AM
Mr Obama is wet behind the ears in administative experience. He also has little exposure to any military involvement which Hillary got indirectly in the White House and Washington. His promises are backed by few if any explained plans of how to make them into reality! Lot of smoke screen saying things folks want to hear with any real study of what he is saying! Now he tackles her on the basis of finances when in his collections I feel sure are many questionable! Let's be objective about this election instead of jumping on a stylish trend bandwagon!
Posted by: TVCASTER | Feb 15, 2008 10:54:45 AM
Racists rush for their defence always. If you aint one just keep mum and all will be fine. In all this you must know that Hillary and Obama together with all the delegates are just but small players in a big game. Remember, the system knows how to adjust. If you push against it-you break. Do you think that all that USA has done inthis world-excellent or bad-has know effect on the big boys upstairs? Watch and see as they put in place the players. Get the sense, buddy and look at the big picture
Posted by: Alex | Feb 15, 2008 10:59:16 AM
Hillary says she has 35 years of Experience;Experience We Dont Need!
Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 15, 2008 11:02:31 AM
Hillary says Words Are cheap!, Well thank you Hillary, for letting America know your speeches are meaningless
Posted by: Listen Up | Feb 15, 2008 11:06:35 AM
Hillary continues to sound like a broken with regards to her experience. Bill Clinton make a big "hoopla" about the 1990's and how it was great. Yes it was but who or what made it so...Timing and a Replublican Congress. What was Hillary's signature effort, a failed Healthcare Reform Program. Also, she talks about 35 years of experience and echoed by someone earlier. The only organization she has ever MANAGE is her campaign and look at it...Went out of Money mid-stream and her staff turning on eachother.
People wake up and see how how our country is going to be managed by Hillary...a broke federal government by the middle of the fiscal year and bitter infighting in government and the Congress.
But look at the "no name" candidate's campaign...flushed with cash raise from the grassroot and clear on strategic direction.
Yes Hillary, talk is really cheap!!!
Posted by: Dekonti | Feb 15, 2008 11:17:30 AM
Fellow Americans, let us not be cajoled by the words of the media. The media is so desperate to get Obama elected just because of their self interest and not for me or you. they see Obama as a novice that can be controlled. on the other hand, Hillary poses a threat to them. listen to both candidates and make your judgement. vote your conscience. it is an open wound, only truth can heal it. lastly, it does not matter if your supporter has lost ten or twenty primaries. still vote your conscience.
Posted by: tombay | Feb 15, 2008 11:21:12 AM
Top Reasons not to vote for Hillary; she says Obama's speeches, and talks, dont put food on the table, well I dont see her speeches and talk putting food on my table! She wont disclose her Income Tax Return, come on people that right there should tell you something is fishy! Her own Top 2 Campaign Managers got fired or stepped down!She is old Politics, under her 35 years of experience, has Washington changed any? No! "Hillary The Experience We Dont Need
Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 15, 2008 11:30:25 AM
I am so sad at the thought of some folks so quick to vote for this black man because he is black. Lets don't make this a racial contest. Nor a contest a black man or a white woman. Let your conscious lead you to the right person for the job. I don't see any real experience with Obama and I do see where Hillary has plenty of knowledge because of her exposure to the White House. I believe she is what our country needs at this time. Put away all the sarcasm about the candidates and get to the business at hand. OUR COUNTRY AND WHERE WE GO NOW!!!!! Stop fighting like a bunch of kids and get serious about this election and what or who is good for this country and the inhabitants therein. With God's help maybe we can pull ourselves up out of the mire that our govenmnent has put us in. No man is an island unto himself. Please pray for the one we chose for our next president and don't just vote for the ticket. And pray it is the one God wants to lead this country. Just my opinion. God Bless our Country
Posted by: lizzie | Feb 15, 2008 11:42:27 AM
As an Independent, Obama is an empty suit that doesn`t show a thing to me, other than being another political hack. No way I could vote for him rather than McCain whose eco expertise Obama desparages. This from a guy with little if any eco experience and who can`t put together a sentence with out a bunch of uhs, ums etc. Seems all these JFK wannabes have the same problem talking.
Posted by: luke | Feb 15, 2008 11:58:52 AM
I am so sad, that there are still a few women out there who would vote for Hillary because of gender! My son is Active duty Military and hillary Voted for the War In Iraq! she wasnt even against the War till she decided to run for Office.
Posted by: Mom First | Feb 15, 2008 11:58:56 AM
When voting, the voters always choose their own people first normally. There is nothing to surprise. If today Mr. Obama is Mexican, I think he will win the Hispanic votes and lose the Black votes when competes with Senator Hillary Clinton. It is too bad to say that the DEM is really has a big problem inside itself. Senator Obama should drop out the race and support Senator Hillary Clinton to win back the White House. He is too green to lead the broken country at this time. His politically life could end in this November if he wins the DEM nomination
Posted by: stock_craft | Feb 15, 2008 12:07:04 PM
THIS STORY IS A RUMOR. CONGRESSMAN LEWIS THIS MORNING STATED THAT THIS IS INACCURATE AND HE HAS NOT DECIDED TO ENDORSE OBAMA.
Lewis' office: Report that he's endorsing Obama "is not accurate"
By AARON GOULD SHEININ
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/15/08
A story in Friday New York Times that said U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) was going to back Barack Obama for president is inaccurate, a spokeswoman for the former civil rights leader told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution this morning.
Posted by: Justin | Feb 15, 2008 12:10:31 PM
The Clintons are racist. What some people here are refering to as help for the black community is nothing more than the usual paternalistic white dude trying to sort out poor and helpless blacks. Why did Bill Clinton compare Obama's win with Jesse Jackson's win he other day? What was the common denominator? Obama is black and Jackson is black. Race wasn't an issue until Bill Clinton started talking with his ghastly eyes bulging and his ugly fingers pointing all over the place.
The Clintons pretend to help blacks, but as far as I can see, their "help" has been nothin more than calculated ploys to be used for future gain. So because Bill Clinto has an office in Harlem, he's a lover of black people?
Oh, Clinton would "love" to help blacks, as long as blacks remember their 'place' in American society. I can tell you guys that the Clintons are shocked that Obama has done this well.
It is sooo simple. Why did Romney fail and McCain do well? Look into their eyes, the answer is there. Americans aren't fools. We know phoneys when we see them. McCain's eyes speak of sincerity, unlike Romney's. It's the same thing with Clinton and Obama. Clinton's eyes are full of lies and cynicism. Obama's eyes are sincere. Ditto his smile, unlike Hilary Clinton's fake and contrived smile. Everything about her is fake. Deep down, I'm sure she doesn'teven understand why she's running for president. McCain and Obama on the other hand are passionate. There is genuine passion in both of them, and the American public perceives this.
By the way, I'm black, and my vote is for McCain. Better to have some conservative values than have none at all!
Posted by: Gbenga | Feb 15, 2008 12:12:15 PM
There should be at least 2 re-actions from black leaders:
1. pondering why the lopsided vote for BO from the black voters and its ramifications
2. decide on whether to follow their constituents.
Guess what? Action #2 has begun. It will take a long while for them to overcome denial to get to action #1.
I echo a lot of posters' comments here. BO's victory will be Pyrrhic for him by Nov and be so for a long time for the black communities.
Posted by: esvida | Feb 15, 2008 1:12:53 PM
Howcome the race is an issue if half of the Potomac dems whites voted for Obama and vice versa?
Posted by: Foreigner from Finland | Feb 15, 2008 1:31:06 PM
Our roots in the White religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an European people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.
I just want to know if there was a candidate that attended a church with this mission statement would you support them? Be honest.
Posted by: Chris | Feb 15, 2008 1:40:28 PM
I don’t have anything against Obama, but I think 4 years experience is too little
Obama its time for STOP your words with no actions
Obama its time for STOP your speeches with no solutions
Obama its time for STOP your talk with no actions
Obama its time for STOP your cheap speeches & words as the only thing needed
Obama its time for STOP biased media that’s in your favor
Obama words are not change and anti Clinton media might helped you but not all the way will STOP you. Truth will speak out
Yes - it’s Time to point out weaknesses! and STOP free rides from bised media like ABC & MSNBC.. They can not harm you any more - they already passed the border line on this. Truth wins at some point
Go Hillary!
Posted by: david | Feb 15, 2008 1:46:59 PM
I believe race becomes an issue if ANY black superdelegate breaks their commitment to Clinton just because their predominantly black constituents vote for Obama. The superdelegates were given their vote to be based on the tenets of the platform not the majority of the masses. They should do what 80% of the blacks are not - vote on the issues.
Posted by: Sam | Feb 15, 2008 1:50:22 PM
I just read some of the interview of Michelle Obama by Katie Couric and Michelle must be confused by saying "We’ve spent eight years gearing ourselves up for a fight, and we haven’t been educating our kids. We don’t have universal health care." Doesn't she remember that only Hillary supports universal health care. I guess Barack stole so much of Hillary's platform that Michelle forgot about the universal part of the health plan.
Posted by: Tina | Feb 15, 2008 2:03:46 PM
The black voters don't owe the Clintons or anyone, including BO, any vote. They owe themselves and the society they live an obligation to be impartial to skin colors. Our society has expended great efforts to fight against racism. No politician is worth going backward in racial relations.
Posted by: esvida | Feb 15, 2008 2:26:59 PM
esvida....here is what you should be pondering:
1. why the lopsided vote for HC from whites, hispanics and women voters and its ramifications
2. decide on whether to follow their constituents.
Guess what? Action #2 has begun. It will take a long while for them to overcome denial to get to action #1.
I echo a lot of posters' comments here. HC's victory will be Pyrrhic for her by Nov and be so for a long time for the white, women and hispanic communities.
Dekonti
Posted by: Dekonti | Feb 15, 2008 2:28:36 PM
Hillary 35 year of Experience, We Dont Need!
Posted by: Listen Up | Feb 15, 2008 2:52:55 PM
Excuses me to say that because the Clinton have done so much for the black community that the black community owes her something is innocrrect and insult the intelligence of the black community as a whole. I think people play the race card too quickly and should look at the facts. The fact is that based on some of the latest exit polls its not only blacks that are voting for Obama but majority of whites as well. If anything it was Clinton job to improve on the black community its not the black communites job to elect his wife.
Posted by: Nechia C | Feb 15, 2008 2:54:13 PM
Betsy and others. I am "White" and I live in a state "Pennsylvania", where our "Democratic" govenor said, that because "obama" is black, those of us who are "White" in the state would not support him. This man received 80% of the "black vote in the last election, so you may wonder why he decided to call the voters racist. Suprise he is a "Clinton" backer and he was playing the hatred card. Let me assure you that today I changed my registration from Republicain to Democratic in order to support Senator Obama in the primary. Also President Clinton was the first to interject race into this election cycle and I am sure that is why his Surrogate "Wife" has lost the so called "Black" vote. The Clintons' and others like them is the reason we need to transition to a younger more enlighten group of leaders. I only wish my "Republicain" party had done the same. At my age (66), I look forward to supporting the future leaders of this great country.
Posted by: murl41 | Feb 15, 2008 3:55:17 PM
Speech is very important for good leadership. If you cant do it you dont have the vocabulary for inpiration articulation,negotiation and persuation and therefore all that is necessary for good leadership.
In history evidence abound for one examination.
There is quite a lot of people here that dont really put their opinions what they read and what actually exist into proper critical analysis.and inspite of others here attempting to educate somewhat educate them still are incapable of well informed thoughts and statements.
Its also important to know that in individual lives in our daily situations those who are vocabulary challenged are more likely to resort to physical violence in sorting out arguments or attempts at resolving problems and I see this very much in Hillary's new tactics.............ITS enough evidence that much cannot be expected of her.
Also note that nothing comes from her except worked from Obama output.......
Please how can one expect Hillary to accomplish something she has been working for yrs and yet no success? Again the vocabulary issue comes in for she had tried a few times during Bill's reign to get through this so called wonderful health plan .........it was not possible, for the fight to get it through legislation had not the vocabulary to mobilise law-makers around it.........Give me a leader good at speeches!! Winston Churchhill used it to inspire and motivate ....in getting things done.
Posted by: humanity | Feb 15, 2008 4:01:57 PM
No We Can't
No group can discriminate racially without ramification. If 85% of white voted against a qualified black, some in the media would use the L word the next day.
Posted by: esvida | Feb 15, 2008 5:39:52 PM
I am a German and I find some comments about Obama stupid.A spade should be called a spade......Obama is doing great
He has the brains and atouch of politics.I was a big fun of Bill Clinton, he was a good politician.Hillary is good but with the sama old politics. Obama is something else and although he doesn´t win,he has inspired so many people not only in America all over the world.Americans don´t forget he is an American and you should be so proud of him.You forget one thing Obama is half white and half black.He is opening doors for the young generation.
Posted by: Monica Ebert | Feb 15, 2008 6:45:08 PM
s.b. wrote: The Clinton's have done so much for black communities over decades of political life. It is actually revolting to see what is being done to them by the black community.
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Blacks know a fool when they see one, and many whites, especially the Clintons have fallen for helping Blacks and then find out later they have been used and abused. Blacks can help themselves, just like the rest of us. If they can't, then tough crapola, just like the rest of us.
I hope all you stupid white people who think helping blacks will get them to heaven or something ( I cant figure out any other stupid reason) realize you are making the country a very hard place for your children and future grandchildren. Vote white no matter what and keep this country white, right and strong, its for your kids and grandkids sakes.
Posted by: Mako | Feb 15, 2008 6:51:34 PM
I am a German and I find some comments about Obama stupid.A spade should be called a spade......Obama is doing great
He has the brains and atouch of politics.I was a big fun of Bill Clinton, he was a good politician.Hillary is good but with the sama old politics. Obama is something else and although he doesn´t win,he has inspired so many people not only in America all over the world.Americans don´t forget he is an American and you should be so proud of him.You forget one thing Obama is half white and half black.He is opening doors for the young generation.
Posted by: Monnie | Feb 15, 2008 6:51:39 PM
Mr Obama is wet behind the ears in administative experience. He also has little exposure to any military involvement which Hillary got indirectly in the White House and Washington. His promises are backed by few if any explained plans of how to make them into reality! Lot of smoke screen saying things folks want to hear with any real study of what he is saying! Now he tackles her on the basis of finances when in his collections I feel sure are many questionable! Let's be objective about this election instead of jumping on a stylish trend bandwagon!
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You haven't been listening. He is gonna change things. Thats all you need to know. LOL
Posted by: Mako | Feb 15, 2008 6:54:38 PM
It takes a lot of education enlightenment and intelligence to look and think beyond race.
This is very true of all the races.........black white or hispanics.
There will always be a reserve that are above this ..........and the progress of any nation lies on this reserve.The more USA have these reseves the better for her.
Posted by: Humanity | Feb 15, 2008 7:22:48 PM
Mako.......I am surprise that you as an american with the preponderance of evidence around you expecially in corporate america do interpret experience the way you do.What experience was there in Bill Gates/Microsoft ....and Google??
Although if you open your mind and your eyes good you would see experience in Obama. Howver good judgement intelligence and good thinking always more than experience ask employers they will tell you.
J.CLINE........ help your mind to understand that Obama is the son of a white gal and a black man.So he is half white and half black. As per decision on any defection ...there have been a lot of political heavyweights who are whites who have faced the same hard decision as those blacks you are demonising ...........in the course of the coming weeks many would face this hard road because of the momentum with Obama.Politicians always go for where there political fortunes are more protected .....there will be defections both whites and blacks.
Open your mind and enjoy the world.
Posted by: Humanity | Feb 15, 2008 7:44:49 PM
Not sure why someone try to use the analogy of Microsoft and/or Google.
Sure, if Obama or anyone wants to start a new country and grow it, I'll give my vote in a second.
Imagine Bill Gates tried to raise money to form a company of 50000 employees from day one. What a joke he would have made of himself.
Posted by: esvida | Feb 15, 2008 8:09:34 PM
JOY and ESVIDA.......Education is always very important in whatever you do you owe it to yourself to always be properly educated about things around you and if you want to coment about issues things or personalities to be well informed ....just patience in absorbing info. Surely it takes a lot of humility and intelligence to pick out all the nuances about issues things and individuals. Those who are incapable of learning and analysis often get stuck on generalities/categorisations ........those incapable of analysing individuals as individuals get stuck on colours for example for that is all they know about.
Be more informed for you to be productive.
Posted by: Humanity | Feb 15, 2008 8:25:47 PM
Were Mr. Obama and his wife beneficiaries of Affirmative Action?
Posted by: American Dream | Feb 15, 2008 9:11:39 PM
85-90% of blacks vote for BO. Assuming that only 1/3 of that vote for him based solely on race, in a state with 30% black Democrats, he would be spotted a 9% advantage.
I'm not sure how much of a % in SAT or other scores AA would give a black applicant, but I think 9% advantage is a lot.
Posted by: esvida | Feb 15, 2008 9:31:59 PM
I have been reading all your comments and nobody appears to address the real issues that this contry is facing. All I hear is race this, race that, but no mention of the problems that we all are facing. Like it or not either Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton will need each other supporters if either one hopes to win in November. Guerilla warface won't help that, and believe me, it seem like it already started. Read where either candidate stands on the issues and make your judgement. The personal stuff does not help anyone.
Posted by: boricuaendc | Feb 15, 2008 11:38:27 PM
I can't believe that the black voting block is voting for Obama 90 to 10 despite years of what the Clintons have done for the black communities. Bill Clinton was called the first black President! I guess that it's really not the qualifications or experience that mattered, but the color of one's skin.
Posted by: Ken | Feb 15, 2008 11:54:37 PM
Ken........where have you been?..One cant believe that you have been in the USA even in the world and couldnt see or read when the Clintons or rather Bill Clinton brought race into it. You didnt read of the phone calls by the Edward Kennedy and Jimmy Carter to Bill reprimanding him for some unwholesome comments. I assume you are being sincerely wrong. For its very unfortunate that there are some pockets of individuals both white blacks and hispanics that still see things only in terms of race.
And also I dont really understand what you all mean when you shout that one has done something to blacks that in itself smells racism otherwise no group by their race in a big country like the USA should see or been seen as to have recieved benefits when a President is really doing his constitutional duties.Its only in world or nations where others are considered less and therefore not deserving their constitutional rights.Of course there was history of such in the USA maybe it still exists.Looking into human psychology I suspect there are people who are desperate to cast Obama as a black presidentail candidate and therefore inciting the votes against him ......Ask any real christian and biblical christian for that matter .....there are things that exult a nation perhaps if you or any that has such eveil design do succeed then you will have another 4 yrs of directionless govt. Take time and listen to Obama......all the educated clasee both white black asians and some learned politiciansthat support him are not gullible resist any propaganda that might want to lead you that direction.....its about leadership its about inspiration its about lifting people motivating them to see their capabilities......read american election history indeed look into the emrgence of other great leaders they are never without speech my first in my nation was Margreat Thatcher.....I saw also Ronald Regan......all these two in my life time.
Posted by: Humanity | Feb 16, 2008 12:58:13 AM
My Fellow Americans, Hillary's 35 years of Experience, is what we dont need! Only takes common since, to know she hasnt done anything for us.If she has had 35 years then why is this country in the Shape its in now? She has been a Senator and could have gotton more stuff done!She represents Old Politics, and its time we move on.Obama Represents New Poltics, and dont have all that baggage to carry around like most Politicians do!To make a long story short, Time For change Is Now.
Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 16, 2008 5:39:47 AM
I'm a registered Democrat, and as soon as I seen, and heard Obama talk I knew he was the 1 this Country needs for the next President.This Country has been heading down hill ever since the 2000's rolled around,and Obama brings a Hope For Change to this Great Country! He is young and inspiring, and dont carry around all the baggage that Hillary does!
Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 16, 2008 6:53:22 AM
At least I still have my vote and it will not be for Obama. I can't wait to hear the whining when McCain wins and we have 4 more years of Bush policies.
Posted by: Joy | Feb 16, 2008 9:11:46 AM
tigerjcs:
Hispanics are Not a Race!
There is No Hispanic Race!
Your heroes the Clintons injected race into this campaign to explain their
primary losses!
The Clintons are the lowest of the low!
They will say anything or do anything to get the nomination! Ugh!
Posted by: reaganfan | Feb 16, 2008 11:53:28 AM
I'm a white man and am voting for Clinton. At first, Obama had me in tears when listening to his speeches. After hearing the same rhetoric over and over, I've come to realise it is only that - rhetoric without substance. I'm also a college graduate, so that's now 2 strikes against the polls supposedly favoring Obama. Bill Clinton hit it on the head but nobody really wants to talk about it. It is all about race and it always has been. These African American politicians that are jumping from the Titanic in favor of Obama had this planned from the beginning. They were never "pro" Hillary. They wanted to appear they were "pro" Hillary so that it wouldn't look like it was tied to racism. But, it's obvious their timing is impeccable. They have turned out to be racial hypocrites planning this from the beginning. It's so disappointing. If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I will vote for Obama over McCain, but it will be with much trepidation!
Of course the Republicans want Obama to get the nomination and not Hillary. They know he's the easiest of the two to beat. Why do you think that in Republican states they allow open caucuses or open primaries? It's because the Republicans can "hand pick" the Democratic nominee. For example, Nebraska, a red state, had open causes. It turns out, 80% of REGISTERED Republicans came out to vote in the Democratic caucuses. Who won? Obama by more than 60/30 over Clinton. The Republicans want Obama! The same thing may happen in Texas. Another red state that has an open primary, according to Dick Morris, who laughs at the possibility of Clinton getting knocked out because of the same scenario. They are masters at winning their game, but their dishonesty confirms to me why I will NEVER vote for a Republican again!
Posted by: Maisielove | Feb 16, 2008 12:04:09 PM
White Democrats mainly TED Kennedy created all these victim groups using things like race and ethnic groups. They did this so they could vote for Democrats in BLOCKS
Now these same white Democrats can't understand why these victim groups are turning on them.
Ask the Clintons if this is true
Posted by: holly booboo | Feb 16, 2008 12:09:50 PM
If she has had 35 years then why is this country in the Shape its in now? She has been a Senator and could have gotton more stuff done!She represents Old Politics, and its time we move on.Obama Represents New Poltics, and dont have all that baggage to carry around like most Politicians do!To make a long story short, Time For change Is Now,
Posted by: Demo rules | Feb 16, 2008 1:44:13 PM
Clinton fight for people’s benefits for decades, because you can’t get benefit without fight, and Clinton made some special interest group mad, that is the anti- power behind the puppet Obama such as CNN, NBC, Fox news, Change is not easy, Clinton have to face those enemy now. Obama is just a puppet in front those special interest group which Clinton defeated. Who is "change?"
We all respect African Americans, but a 9-1 vote for Obama including Mr. Lewis changing his vote from Hillary to Obama is clearly a discrimination, If you want win the respect of the world, vote the one good for the country. Never forget someone do good things for your group. Otherwise, anyone has to think twice and twice dealing with African Americans in future. Respect the democracy. Be a real American, otherwise overseas country just laugh at your democracy.
The so called Mr."Hope" and Mr."Change" and Mr."Future" spend $700,000 to buy the superdelegates, and many black superdelegates showed up on CNN yesterday make a switch from Clinton to Obama.
Think twice, if Obama get the power by those kind of votes (He call himself he will NOT do anything to get elected! ) what kind of hope and change we are going to get? Bush have 8 years already, another unknown Obama for 8 years??? God help American.
Otherwise, 8 year later, American is a true third world country full of fat, corruption, violence, and poverty.----That is the "change" you "hope" in "future".
Posted by: larratta | Feb 16, 2008 2:14:39 PM
Truth of the matter is Michelle Obama was the first to introduce the race card into this campaign, with her statement of "they will get it" in the fall of last year! Then the second introduction of it was in January when she twisted Bill Clinton's words about Obama's Iraq war rhetoric as being a "fairy tale" and Michelle Obama twisting it saying "is it a fairy tale for a black man to be President"!
The role of race has been a major contributor in this campaign season, just look at the turnouts, almost 80% of blacks voting for Obama, is that not a race roll?
Race has been used by the Obama camp totally for their advantage, as proven by the MLK statement made by Clinton and it taking a week to say "I found it not to be a racial remark"! But the dmage was done infuriating the black community during that week!
For someone who states there is no red or blue, no black or white or hispanic or asian America, there is just one America, has place a racial divide in this country in a decpetive way that is shameful to say the least!
What is frightful is if people took the time to listen to Obama's words, then check out his words verses his record of action, you will discover that he is continually lying to people in a tactful way that distorts the truth and proves the sort of person the man behind the words really is!
Posted by: Clear Choice | Feb 16, 2008 4:39:33 PM
My Fellow Americans, Hillary's 35 years of Experience, is what we dont need! Only takes common since, to know she hasnt done anything for us.If she has had 35 years then why is this country in the Shape its in now? She has been a Senator and could have gotton more stuff done!She represents Old Politics, and its time we move on.Obama Represents New Poltics, and dont have all that baggage to carry around like most Politicians do!To make a long story short, Time For change Is Now.
Posted by: Demo Rules | Feb 16, 2008 6:54:21 PM
I don't think it matters who injected race into the election and I don't think it matters if it was or was not intentionally injected. If racism exists, it can't help showing up in the votes. Blaming any candidate for playing the race card detracts responsibilities from racists for their deplorable actions. Leaders who turn blind eyes to this phenomenon in this election will lose credibility next time they decry racism.
Posted by: esvida | Feb 16, 2008 7:19:09 PM
Once again we see the race card thrown into the mix. Well Here I go again. This is not about race this about who is best to lead this nation. The people will decide this. Not the press, Republicans, Democrats or even the libertarians. The decision rests with the people. What the people of this nation must do is decide who is best suited for the position. Its not about a black man or a women or even a white man. People Its about who's the best person for the job. When will the people of this country wake up. Stop with the race issues. This whole presidential race has been about race STOP THIS. Just stop with the race issue.
Posted by: William Hickok | Feb 17, 2008 3:56:14 PM
As a black I can not bring myself to vote for Hillary. This is no more than a Clinton third term. I find her to be although brilliant, a calculating, insincere individual. She voted for the war not that she really wanted to... but at the time that was the politically safe thing to do as that was the mood of the country. The run for senate was also a cool calculation. Knowing full well a presidential run was her ultimate goal and then pretended to hem and haw over whether to run. In Obama I see an authentic man who truly believes in what he says. Hillary and Bill thought it was going to be a cake walk. Well shock and awe! I do not look forward to 4 to 8 ,more years of bickering and investigations with the Republicans nor do I look forward to the Clinton Republican payback that is sure to come if she is elected. Its time for a fresh start. If it is not Obama my vote goes to McCain..a man who also has integrity and authenticity.
Posted by: Bostonian | Feb 17, 2008 5:30:50 PM
Whites who "vote their race" (meaning that they consciously give special preference to voting for people who look like them) are considered racist bigots; black voters are "voting their race" in droves with little to no mention of the words bigot or racist. A double-standard? (I'm an Obama supporter.)
Posted by: SJ | Feb 18, 2008 9:42:07 AM
On Super Tuesday, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders delivered Super Tuesday's biggest wins: CA, MA, NJ, NY.
AAPIs delivered in New York, Hillary's home state, where AAPIs are 7% of New York State's population, 2% of New York State's electorate, and a sizable share, 8%, of the nation's total AAPI vote. In New York:
* 91% of Asian American women Democrats supported Hillary
* 86% of Asian American Democrats supported Hillary
Among Asian American ethnic groups, the greatest support for Clinton came from Chinese American voters (90%), Korean American voters (81%) and South Asian Americans (70%). Hillary received 139 of the 232 delegates.
AAPIs came through in New Jersey, where AAPIs are 8% of New Jersey's population, 4% of New Jersey's electorate on Primary Day, and 4% of the nation's total AAPI vote. In New Jersey, 73% of Asian American Democrats supported Hillary. Korean-American voters, the largest Asian ethnic group polled in New Jersey favored Clinton by 80%. Hillary received 59 out of New Jersey's 107 delegates (Source: AALDEF).
AAPIs delivered the vote in Massachusetts, where AAPIs comprise 5% of Massachusetts' population, 2% of Massachusetts' vote on Primary day, and 2% of the nation's total AAPI vote. The MSNBC exit poll showed that 53% of Others (which would include Asian American Pacific Islanders) supported Hillary Clinton. Hillary received 55 of the 93 delegates awarded in Massachusetts (Source: CNN).
Three hours later, Hillary won California, the nation's largest prize, where AAPIs comprise 13% of CA's population, 8% of CA's Primary Election electorate, and 39% of the nation's total AAPI vote. In California:
* 75% of Asian American Pacific Islander Democrats/Independents supported Hillary (Source: CNN Poll quoted in the S.F. Chronicle ).
* 71% of Asian American Democrats/Independents supported Hillary (Source: LA Times Poll).
Hillary received 207 of the 370 California delegates awarded to date.
It's important to celebrate AAPI civic engagement. More than 75% of California's AAPIs are American-born, and many who were born in another country, have worked hard to earn their rite of passage (US citizenship) and their right to cast their vote.
I thank the media for providing fair and balanced reporting. AAPIs deserve to cast their vote w/o fear of intimidation/stereotype, for the last thing I want this election to do is suppress the AAPI vote by making AAPIs feel like foreigners in their own home.
I'm counting on everyone to celebrate our successes, to continue to reach out and register every American who is eligible to vote.
Posted by: Elena | Feb 19, 2008 5:33:05 PM
Hillary will and can and will win in a race against McCain. Obama is a phony who delivers other people's words well.
I make a decent living -- upper middle class and have a college education.
I care most about Health Insurance, The Economy, Education, The Pursuit of Peace and Security. I trust Hillary to deliver change, I don't trust Obama because he never really says anything specific.
Posted by: Mark | Feb 19, 2008 6:38:40 PM
Dekonti: Yes, talk is cheap and that's what is coming out of Obama's mouth. Nothing but hot air. I wouldn't vote for him if he needed my one vote to win the nomination. In the first place if I was going to vote for a black man and he is only l/2 black I would vote for a man that was born and raised in this country and not l/2 Kenyan. I mean 100% black American. I do not cater to people from those countries. Only Obama's mother is American. He should be running for president in Kenya but this dumb generation of college students don't know the difference between what is right and what is wrong. Obama was elected senator because he played dirty pool against the woman who was also campaigning for senator. He is underhanded and cunning. JFK & RFK he is not but he copied their speeches. Now isn't that honest. Give me a break.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | Feb 19, 2008 7:50:19 PM
Will Asian American and Hispanic voters swing to Republican if Mr.Osama wins the Democrats primary?