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The Convention Bounce

August 21, 2008 10:35 AM

Do they bounce, and if so, how high?

It’s the question of the next two weeks, as the presidential candidates stand beneath the bright lights and balloons of their nominating conventions. Candidate support can spike during these high-profile events, sometimes in an election-changing way.

It’s called the “convention bounce,” a phenomenon so common its measurement has been a staple of pre-election polling and commentary. But not all bounces are the same. Some have proved short-lived, the race quickly reverting to pre-convention form. Others have represented a profound coalescing of voter preferences that’s charted the course ahead.

Bounces this year could be confounded by the calendar. The parties are holding back-to-back conventions for the first time since 1956; they still could be sweeping up confetti from next week’s Democratic shindig when the Republicans convene in St. Paul four days later. Sandwiched in between is Labor Day weekend, when many Americans are apt to be more focused on end-of-summer cookouts than on presidential politics.

But if the compressed schedule potentially could suppress bounces, other factors could boost them. It’s an opportunity for Barack Obama to define the “change” at the heart of his candidacy and to answer questions about his experience and readiness. John McCain needs to answer questions about his age, vitality and readiness to make a break from the Bush years. Each wants to offer a more persuasive prescription for the economic woes at the heart of voters’ concerns in this election, as well as addressing the war in Iraq and the uncertain nature of international dynamics.

Today’s highly polarized politics could play a role; with party lines drawn especially sharply, there may be less room than usual for the candidates to move. At the same time, 28 percent of registered voters in the last ABC News/Washington Post poll said they hadn’t made up their minds for sure. That’s plenty enough to fuel a bounce, if the conventions warrant it.

Any way you cut it, presidential nominating conventions mark unique and highly fraught periods in the election cycle, when public attention focuses, candidates pass – or fail to clear – the basic bar of acceptability to a broader audience, and their support can undergo its biggest swings of the contest.

Convention bounces became apparent in 1968 (election polling was too infrequent for reliable conclusions before then), but the focus owes much to Bill Clinton and the Mother of All Bounces: He soared from a dead heat against incumbent George Bush before the 1992 Democratic convention to nearly a 30-point lead after it, and never trailed for the remainder of the race.

While no bounce has matched Clinton's, others have been impressive. Jimmy Carter rode a 16-point bounce to a 33-point lead after his 1976 convention, lending authority to his challenge and underscoring incumbent Gerald Ford's weakness. Ford in turn mustered just a 7-point bump following his own convention; though the race did tighten at the close, Carter’s better bounce foretold his ultimate victory.

The absence of any bounce can be a danger sign. Neither Hubert Humphrey nor George McGovern took significant bounces out of their nominating conventions in 1968 and 1972, both en route to their losses to Richard Nixon.

The fullest picture of the bounce can be drawn not by looking only at change in support for the new nominee, but at the change in the margin, to include any drop in support for the opposing candidate (offense sometimes being the best defense in politics). The 1968 Republican convention, notably, did more to reduce Humphrey’s support than to bolster Nixon’s.

Focusing on the margin, however, also accentuates small changes in poll results; for this and other reasons, such as timing and plain old vagaries in polling, bounce measurements can differ. In 2004, Gallup polls figured John Kerry's bounce from a starting point measured five days before his convention began, and assigned him a net loss of 8 points – its first negative bounce since McGovern's 32 years earlier. ABC and the Post started with a pre-convention measurement done four days later than Gallup's, and found an 8-point bounce in Kerry's favor, much nearer the norm.

Sometimes there’s been a pre-bounce, a lift for the candidate that begins even before his convention doors open; no such has been sighted this year. But it’s the event itself that seems most important: Candidates dominate political center stage for a week, working to lay out their vision and policies, burnish their credentials and – directly or through surrogates – undermine their opponent.

Other factors may contribute – outside events such as the Chicago riots of 1968 or the on-again, off-again Ross Perot candidacy of 1992. However, while conventional wisdom holds that Perot’s departure created Clinton’s surge, data from those days indicates that Clinton’s support actually jumped before Perot left the race – suggesting that Perot was more a casualty of Clinton's surge than its cause. Indeed if external events, strength of support, political polarization or economic discontent may be factors, atop the heap most likely stands the persuasiveness of the candidates themselves.

Exposure isn’t the sole cause; while airtime for network coverage of the conventions has declined sharply over the years, the bounces haven’t. The two national conventions received a total of 73 hours of broadcast network coverage in 1968, declining sharply in ensuing years to a low of six hours in 2004 (per "Vital Statistics on American Politics 2003-2004," CQ Press). Audience ratings likewise dropped. Yet there's no significant relationship between hours of network coverage and size of convention bounces. Indeed the largest bounce on record, Clinton’s, occurred in the modern era of less network news coverage – eight hours for his convention – while George McGovern’s bounceless 1972 convention was one of the most heavily covered, at 37 hours. (Cable and internet, of course, are handy outlets for those who can’t get enough convention coverage.)

Using the change in the margins, the average bounce has been 10 points among registered voters in Gallup polls from 1968 through 2004, and, for comparison, a similar 13 points in ABC/Post polls from 1992 to 2004. As noted, individual bounces vary, but the averages are consistent across a range of parameters: In Gallup data, 11 points for Democratic candidates (9 points leaving aside Clinton's 1992 bounce), 9 points for Republicans, 8 points for incumbents, 11 points for challengers, 10 points for better-known candidates (incumbent presidents and incumbent or former vice presidents), 10 points for lesser-known candidates, 12 points after each cycle’s first convention, and 9 points after the second convention.

While the averages by the candidate's political party are similar, more of the action has been among Democratic candidates – a standard deviation of 10 in their bounces (8 without Clinton's in 1992), compared with 4 in the Republicans'. The average Democratic bounce correlates significantly with the average bounce overall, while the average Republican bounce does not. Influences there may include the objective quality of individual candidates, a generally declining Democratic advantage in partisan self-identification (until 2004), and perhaps, more steadfast support among Republicans for their party's nominees.

The varying size and durability of convention bounces suggest that they’re not founded simply on the quantity of that week’s news coverage, but on more substantive evaluations of the content the parties and their candidates present. A focusing of the public’s attention may inspire the bounce, but a more deliberative judgment determines its size, staying power and ultimate impact.

         Convention Bounces, 1968 to 2004*
       Dem       Bounce   Rep          Bounce
2004   Kerry       +8     G.W. Bush      +5
2000   Gore       +16     G.W. Bush      +9
1996   Clinton     +5     Dole          +15
1992   Clinton    +30     G.H.W. Bush   +16
1988   Dukakis    +11     G.H.W. Bush   +11
1984   Mondale    +16     Reagan         +8
1980   Carter     +17     Reagan        +13
1976   Carter     +16     Ford           +7
1972   McGovern    -3     Nixon          +8
1968   Humphrey    +4     Nixon         +14
*ABC/Post polls, 1992-2004; Gallup, 1968-88

(This piece is adapted from one I’ve written for the forthcoming Encyclopedia of Survey Research Methods from Sage Publications.)

August 21, 2008 in 2008 General Election | Permalink | User Comments (23)

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News of Obama's friendship with Ayers will surface during the conventions.

You are going to see a disaster.

Posted by: JA | Aug 21, 2008 10:52:24 AM

Interesting, those bounce stats show that democrats often get larger convention bounces, yet still end up losing. What does that tell you? I think Obama going into the convention tied doesn't bode well.... especially since the repubs have their convention last. Not looking good for Mr. Change.

Posted by: an observer | Aug 21, 2008 10:53:03 AM

These current numbers don’t mean a thing. Obama will get a bounce once the wait for his VP pick is over on Saturday. Then he will get another bounce during the convention when his positions are clarified. Conversely all McCain has to look forward to is a loss of popularity after he a.) goes totally against the advice of his handlers and announces a Pro-Choice running mate on the 29th which the Obama campaign will (and should) exploit as hypocritical –-OR—b.) announces a Pro-Life running mate and loses many of the votes of the 13% undecided who said they will vote in November. Either VP choice will cause division at the GOP convention in front of a nationwide audience. It's all down hill from this zenith of popularity for McCain, folks. He better choose which of his houses to reside in starting in January because it’s not gonna be the White House.

Posted by: No More Back alley Abortions | Aug 21, 2008 12:44:15 PM

I cant wait for BHO, or Barry Soetoro to lie his way out of... his lieing!!!

Posted by: RELD1127 | Aug 21, 2008 1:38:34 PM

Why is it that Democrats always have the first convention. Kinda gives the GOP a chance to outdo them every time. Maybe THAT'S why Democrats get great bounce but can still lose. Flawed system. Flip a coin to see who goes first. Just don't let a Republican do the flipping - he probably has a two-headed coin...

Posted by: DaveM | Aug 21, 2008 3:57:02 PM

Good to see the bots out in full force with their *oh my god it's an alien* approach to any subject put in front of them. /sarcasm

This election cycle is different in both timing and candidates than any other and the old conventional wisdom will never apply as it has in the past.

Give up the polling meme. We will never know if folks are telling the truth or if they're paying attention to all the clutter anyway. The only poll that matters is the first Tuesday of November.

Posted by: G Davis | Aug 21, 2008 6:11:12 PM

DaveM asks:

Why is it that Democrats always have the first convention.

Actually, the standard practice is that the party in power goes second. The Dems went after the Republicans in '96 and '00.

Posted by: Zorro for the Common Good | Aug 21, 2008 9:07:49 PM

Sources say the international bankers and financiers will install Al Gore as the Prez (bumping Obama out) and billionaire NYC Mayor Bloomberg the VP for either party. Both will continue the agenda to privatize the US government, programs, infrastructure and jobs for big $$$ profits as the economy tanks and currency goes down. Gore has about 100 superdelegates in his back pocket to prevent anyone candidate to get the number needed to be nominated. That is the plan for him to step in and appear above the fray and take advantage of popular discontent, confusion and chaos at the convention.....

Posted by: francine223 | Aug 21, 2008 9:57:45 PM

Everyone was "hyped" over the bounce Obama was "going to get" from his European trip. It didn't happen. Obama thinks he's really got something on the number of McCain houses. He doesn't. McCain doesn't own ANY houses, his wife does. By the way, how many does John Kerry own? After all he's married to Theresa HEINZ... ! this is so non issue it's silly. Obama throwing stones about houses is ridiculous. And you know this whole text thing that is building the largest political data base ever OWNED by Obama was estimated to be worth over 200 million. That's personal money folks! And his supporters gave it to him.

Posted by: BoneheadedObama | Aug 22, 2008 7:38:41 PM

Obama/Biden
will now receive a strong bounce.

Barack's first bif decision demonstrates judgment,
by choosing Joe Biden who has great judgment.

Finally we will have sound judgment back in the executive branch of government after 8 disastrous years that McCain would only continue.

go Obama/Biden

Posted by: steven f | Aug 23, 2008 1:12:17 AM

Its funny that the Vp has said that BHO dosant have the expeariance! so what dose that say,the second in comand, that dose has to tell him what to do? now that really shows alot of confidence!! DNC and the deligates suck,and should be put out! vote Country not party

Posted by: RELD1127 | Aug 23, 2008 3:47:53 AM

WIZARD OF OZ TICKET - O'Bama/Biden

Given that O'Bama can't speak without a teleprompter and Biden can't write his own speeches..Shouldn't this be called this the Wizard of Oz ticket?

O'Bama says he'll bring change. Is this like change in a jar on your dresser? Give us substance!

Posted by: pat_mabooty | Aug 23, 2008 11:57:31 AM

Convention bounces do not last.

It will be a tight race in late October.

McCain's hope is that the Keating Five, his unethical treatment of his crippled wife, and his surrender in time of war don't get discussed.

Obama hopes he gets a pass on experience, and that "housing" and The Rev are forgotton.

Posted by: Reuplican VN Era Vet | Aug 24, 2008 1:10:43 AM

Obama can't paint himself as a liberal with no experience and depend on Biden to save him: Barack Hussein Obama is what he is.

He's a Chicago con that is trying like hell to become president by using kids to nominate him.

Posted by: Al from NJ | Aug 24, 2008 7:32:26 AM

To all Democrats that have felt cheated:

With the convention just around the corner, it is imperative that Democrats all around the country understand that whether or not Hillary is nominated, we are in this for the long haul. Senator Obama is an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.
Obama’s “change” message has just been destroyed by Joe Biden. No more jokes about McCain being an old man: Biden’s an old man also.

This primary has revealed DNC "leadership" to be corrupt, mean-spirited, and lacking respect for basic democratic principles. They have completely and effectively ceded the moral high ground to Republicans at this point.

• We have seen the race card played, with assistance from both Dean and Brazile.
• We have seen rampant sexism with no objection by the DNC.
• We have seen the superdelegates endorse as quid-pro-quo for campaign contributions.
• We have seen arm-twisting of the congressional delegates by "neutral" Nancy Pelosi to declare for Obama.
• We have seen an unabashed ageism campaign against John McCain, calling him "confused", and that he has "lost his bearings".
• We've seen a softening of support for the gay and lesbian community.
• We've seen caucus cheating.
• We've seen intimidation of Hillary supporters, hack attacks and coordinated threats against voters and media that dare to dissent.
• We've seen manipulation of the party nominating system and media to favor one candidate over another and the outright redistribution of votes cast for one Hillary and given to Obama.
This is now a democratic party in name only.


We need to get the word out.

It will take an effort from all of us to restore the Democratic party to its former self, to a party that we can be proud of. This is just one step in that direction.

Contact Delegates Maybe there is still hope for Senator Clinton. Obama is a complete embarrassment.

Posted by: Al from NJ | Aug 24, 2008 7:34:15 AM

both gallup and rasmussen show that obama's biden choice was not a good one, not a bad one. indifferent other than it scored badly with women. biden got between 4-5% support when he ran in the primeries. i really don't think he matters one way or another. obama punted. what does matter is how the hillary supporters react, which to date, has been less than enthusiastic. she was vetted, even. wow. mccain is popular with her key supporters -- older working class women.

Posted by: dan | Aug 24, 2008 9:25:15 AM

there was some chatter on blogs about the so-called video supposedly showing michelle obama in a white-hating racist rant being released the day of her speach this week.

anyone else hear this?

Posted by: kevin | Aug 24, 2008 9:29:16 AM

I actively supported Hillary for the past year. I worked and slaved and sweat and financed... and I am insulted by BO's choice. It is an insult to all of us who now she was the only one who could save this country.

This very proud Democrat will hold her nose and vote for McCain.

Posted by: marge oc | Aug 24, 2008 9:32:44 AM

The democrats need to change ther name, since they dont do things demacraticly!

Posted by: RELD1127 | Aug 24, 2008 4:02:51 PM

It's important to know how out of touch John McCain is with the western states, including Arizona. He just made a big" belly flop"over the Colorado River water because he said they needed to renegotiate. Seven states, including Arizona, had met in 2007 and updated plans to keep Colorado River water fair and available to those seven states and he was not even aware of the meeting.

Posted by: Mini | Aug 25, 2008 3:09:31 AM

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