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We should not be supporting bad business strategies and hence failures.

The Big 3 claim that the economy is hurting them. Don't Toyota, Nissan, Hundai also sell in the same economy? Are they asking for a bailout? No.

These American auto manufacturers need to go the way of the dinosaurs and dodo birds - down in history.

Let the Japanese Auto Makers buy the Big 3...

Opposed to allowing the Chinese Auto Makers.

The Japanese make a better Engine..

The Japanese don't have Auto Unions...

The Japanese pay around 28-30,000 on average to it's American workers...

Its that or the American Auto industry is done for..

No matter how many Billions are given to them !!!

They did not learn from the late 70's and 80's about Big Gas Guzzlers and now they want to convince us, that they've now Learned Their Lesson ...

Ha !!!

The only cars that should come off the Assembly lines in America are..

1. Electric Engines

2. Diesel Engines

3. Compressed Natural Gas Engines

Hybrids are a waste of Time.

Note: Europe uses a large amount of Diesel Engines. Mercedes will soon release a Hybrid Diesel-Electric Engine.

Diesel Engines are better to the Ecology and they don't burn fuel so easily.

If we are going to continue to use Big Gas Guzzling Vehicles, they must be Compressed Natural Gas Vehicles, all Big Vehicles, should strictly be ran by Compressed Natural Gas.

Note: Hummers, Escalades, Various SUV's, Big Trucks and some Jeeps, must be Compressed Natural Gas ran.

But Most of your standard American cars should be Electric and Diesel Engines.

Here in Georgia, Diesel Engines do not have to have Annual Emissions Testing, while standard fuel cars are mandated by Ga law, to have Emissions testing, in order for Ga. Drivers to get state tags.

Diesel Engines, in comparison to standard Gas Fueled cars are better for the Ecology....Period

Thats My 3 Dollars and some change insight..

Have a Nice Week

They need to look at what the Japanese auto workers do to be productive.

Top management does NOT make millions in salary or bonus', and therefore, if, we bail'em out, they need to restructure, reassess their management, and find those with proven track records to come in and redo the structuring.

These execs are too egotistical for the times right now. They took their eyes of the ball and we all have to pay the price for that. UNFAIR!!!!!

If these companies fail, the unemployment of the nation WILL skyrocket!! We can give them the money to just keep them up, and monitor their progress to see if it was truly worth it. If the companies would change their ways, things would go better, hopefully. Something has got to be done now rather than later when 2.5 million people are laid off and unable to go any where else and live off of the government. If we can supply them with what they need to just get by, change their ways and monitor their progress, things have a chance at getting better for them.

This just shows that most Americans are too self-centered to view the widespread danger and critical ramifications that a Big Three collapse will bring. The media needs to be doing a better job of reporting that.

Yes, the big three have blown it, however the need for a bail out is unquestionly clear. But let's do it right: limit the amount of money given and insist upon a time-line for improvement and recovery. If they do not recover then let them go under or be bought out by foreign interests. Just the threat of being bought out should improve their dismal performance in the past.

I agree that the UAW membership should have learned when Flint went down and GM pretty muched moved on and left what is now a crime ridden city with a bleak future. Since then many cities that are/were UAW have also sufferd do to the greed of its members But The Manufacturers are not to blame here. The UAW membership is for all its need to have more and more for doing less. The only blame the Big Three are to claim is failure to act sooner perhaps as far back is ten yrs ago. The UAW needs to Step back and take its hits like construction did in the 70's and let the industry rebuild itself.
We also are always willing to give billions in one kind of aid or another to countries all around the world for what ever reason. No strings attached. But everytime somebody here in the US needs help we want to say no. If we spent half as much in our country for Education, Poverty, Jobs and Housing and Healthcare we would truly be the Powerhouse we have been seen as around the world. Why should so few enjoy the American Dream while so many suffer for them. So many people live below poverty and we do nothing about it. Even more live right above that line working and living in their cars cause the cost of houseing is too high. We as a whole need to stop being the Jones' while so many suffer needlessly. Americans would not mind paying more for products and services if we could actully afford them. The one good thing about Unions is a fair wage for work preformed. Fair Labor practices are always good for bussiness and happy workers produce more.
I also feel that the free trade aggreement and immigration have led to our countries problem.

The opposition to the auto industry loan is due partly to the biased coverage of the news media. There has been little critical coverage of NO STRINGS ATTACHED trillion dollar bailout of ineptly run New York financial institutions. We don't even know if those bankers have a fleet of corporate jets, and they've thumbed their noses at those of us that think that taxpayers shouldn't have to pay those outragous salaries and bonuses. And to add insult to injury, these New York banks are using much of the money to buy up more banks, rather than help taxpayers in need. I can see it know. Bush and Paulsen will give the New York bankers hundreds more billions id the auto makers go bankrupt to cover their losses.

It is not only in the last 20 years that Detroit has been losing to the competition. It began in the 1950's when people started buying durable and efficient foreign cars. Detroit has had its head in the sand since them. Bankruptcy is the best solution. Restructuring could then begin with a clean slate. Men with their minds in the 21st century should take over from the present CEOs.

I just read this about a start-up American car company that's going to start selling autos next year

It seems to me we should be using our $25 billion to help a whole new breed of American car companies rather than artificially propping up the Big Three dinosaurs.

Bailout the big 3 and fire all the CEO's and their staffs.There are to many American jobs at stake, not to action.

If the auto makers get the loans and restructure, how does this ensure that anyone will be able to buy the vehicles thus created. I know that I will hang on to my 15 year old car for a few more years until the value of my savings and investments is restored.

With unemployment at up to 10+% the entire auto industry will be limping for years.

(The Japanese make a better Engine)
gm has been makeing engines for toyota,honda ,kia,deawoo for years

people like to put titles on things the big 3 have had cars that got real good mpg's but alot of people fail to look in to the facts

they do make big cars ,trucks, suvs , because there is a big market for it, so much so that all the japanes,german,koren car co are make them now

people just dont like the big 3 for some reason they will say toyots is better (ex) the toyota matrix and the pontiac vibe are the same car (drive train, body, frame, SAME) but in every way the toyota got a reviews so how is that byest i dont know

Today they claimed that only 10% of the cost of a vehicle is Union labor, I want to know what the % is for management then we'll know who's paycheck to cut to reduce costs.

All 3 of these company's are guilty of consumer fraud. They have been producing defective vehicles for 25 years all with chronic problems from Cracking exhaust manifolds to blowing head gaskets and everything bolted to this junk.

When Honda finds an issue in field it was fixed immediatly and not left to the poor consumer 10 miles after it runs out of warranty.

I'll be sorely disappointed if they don't find a "Joe the Mechanic" to work on their advisory board.

Somebody who has knowledge and some common sense.

I am one of millions of individual tax payers. I do not believe the dire predictions of those in favor of this bailout, nor the certainty that bankruptcy is the wrong course. Polls show citizen opposition ranging from 1.5 - 1 all the way to 2 - 1. Nevertheless congressional leaders are pressing for this action. Do they seek control (no one is less qualified to run an auto company)? 2. Are Democrats paying off those who are the primary cause of failure = the UAW? I and my fellow citizens are living with the pain and fears of this recession, some facing bankruptcy themselves. Why should OUR MONEY (remember, the government does not have any money but what they take from us) be used to bail out those who have failed their way into a corner? Some may look at the 15 billion proposed and say it is not too much to do (remember, it's our 15 billion, not the government's) but we know it will not be the end. It will be used as a primary argument for the next 50 billion they will need to stay afloat. Then what? Does anyone really think the geniuses who could not see the banking and insurance collapse coming will be good at managing auto companies. If the government takes over, they don't have a chance, and that's another reason not to do this.

I do not wish for all the hard workers to lose their jobs. But I sure am disgusted at how much CEO's earn. They are so spoiled and out of touch with the poor and middle class, it is no wonder they had no clue as to what vehicles to make. As a matter of fact a lot of those making dec. for all us are out of touch! So who is going to bail all of us out???
Thank fully God knows.

I wonder why no one thinks that all of us connected to the auto industry also pay taxes. Maybe GM should stop paying retirement pay and be on par with Toyota. Let's not invest in America and just support Japan and Korea.

Some say the Big 3 are too big to fail. They've become too big to succeed. It would be imprudent to reward the bad business practices of the Big 3 and the UAWs greedy ways with more taxpayer money. We should let them collectively figure out a realistic approach to survival on their own. These are the best paid workers in America. Surely they can come to accept the reality that they are only laborers. As far as the strongarm UAW people are concerned, they are nothing more than parasites who steal from the shareholders and the workers while making life difficult for the business managers. We no longer have sweat shops in America. Labor unions have served their purpose. Collective bargaining should be made illegal. The Big 3 managers are grossly overpaid as well. Nobody deserves or needs multimillion dollar annual salaries or bonuses or benefit packages like we see in the Big 3. Planned obsolescence in design and manufacture have been replaced by the superior products of foreign competitors. Conditions have changed with globalization. Like it or not it's time to adapt to those changes. No amount of government subsidizing will change the changes that have occurred. Bankruptcy, discontinuance or selloff of less popular models, restructuring, rethinking pay and benefits are all necessities if these are to become vital companies. No bailouts for private businesses. Let them save themselves or disappear. And let a valuable lesson be thusly learned for all businesses.

so sad.

UNBELIEVABLE!!! Alm ost every blo, or opinion is WAY OFF on the Facts!! When the USa3 tried to tell people the facts, ALL SORTS OF NON_SENSE WAS ROUGHT UP!! Especially by ABC!! Incredible!... THE USA 3 CAN't BE allowed to fail (OR LOSE ANMORE MARKET SHARE DUE TO clintons' selling out THE WORKING MAN aND WOMAN!!!)>>WE , THE USA, that is, WILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR OVER $100 bilion dolllars PER YEAR OR the PENSIOn obligations, un-employment for YEARS!!(screw so-called traing--Re-education, programs!! THE us tried thes them in the early 1980s, NONE OF THEM WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) AND AND, the estimated tax revenues LOST!! from all 50 states! Right-to-work states ARE A GOOD THING ---FOR JAPAN, KOREA>KOREA>>>and GERMANY They are TRAITORS TO THE US (maybe, not the Confederate States of America!!) Gee..I wonder why they are SO adamant against the USA 3?..Could it be selby and Corker are protecting the $3-$4 Billion That the USA taxpayers paid for wealthy cos. like Toyota, and honda, and BMW--ALL ALL of which get GOVT. backed FREE Research and Develpoment $$ from their countries!!?? NICE try , GUYS!..You and rest of bankrupt Congress and thieving Wall-Street-Willies ARE JUST COVEING YOUR ##### for stealing $350 BILLION DOLLARS, most of which they don't even NEED!!FACTS: Det. has downsized their factories for almost 25 years! fact: The UAW has cut their wages in HALF, last year! Fact:8of 10 most efficient auto plants are RUN by Ford GM, and Chrysler! FACT: Ford Quality has SUPASSED Honda AND Toyota!!! GM is almost even!! Fact: THE MOST EFFICIENT FACTORY IN AMERICA is A CHRYSLER-UAW planT!! ALL plants use only EXPERT UAW CRAFTSMEN-Women!!Fact:GM The USA 3 Tried diesels in the US the same time that the VW Rabbit Diesl pick-UP got an honest 50 MPG..ALL stoppped due to Environmentalists Bitching about the ENVIRONMENT!in the '80s..Only recently have the USa3 and their foreign competition clened up diesel fuels--IT WASN'T THE THIEFING OIL COS.! The oil companies (RIGHT BUSH, and CHENEY?) HAVEN'T had to pay one dime of R&D COSTS! ALL was paid for by the USA3!!OVER $65BILLION JUST FOR THAT!!! GM killed off their '80s Elect. car after spending BILLIONS of 1980 $$$ on it, because they DIDN'T MEET GOVT. REGULATIONS! AND only a few Envir-Green Party members wanted THEI ltd. range!GAS COS. wouldn't ALLOW GM TO PAY TO PUT IN PLUGS in their gas stations! Honda and Toyota, untill THIS YEAR!, couldn't even break-even in JapaN despite free R&D govt. $$$ THEY ONLY MADE MONEY IN THE USA !! ASIA Manipulates Currency to give THEIR carmakers' a , at last report, an $3500 EDGE IN PRICING vs. USA#!! USA CaRS AE thousands of $$ cheaper than THE REST AND ALREADY GET BETTER MPGs IN EVEY, EVERY, Class of vehicle!! It will only take a FAIR SHOT for USA 3 to KICK EVERYONE ELSES' ASS!! Heck!..GM is even being brainwashed , To make SURE, it gets LOANS, NOT BAILOUTS LIKE NEW YORK THIEVES!!Right, Hillary?.. JUST AS IN the 1930s Yellow Journalism (HEARST, especially!), Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, right MEDIA?! USA 3 $15 billion in LOANS!!!..RICHIES and Thieves $350plus in FREE MONEY -NO PAYBACKS!!