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What Does Warren Buffett Think of Paulson, Big Three Bailouts and Being Treasury Secretary?

November 21, 2008 2:14 PM

Nm_buffett_081112_main ABC's Jan Simmonds from New York:

Wonder where the Oracle of Omaha stands these days on bailing out the Big Three Autos and Henry Paulson's bank rescue maneuvering?  Would Buffett take the job of Secretary of Treasury if offered? 

Today the sage investor, Warren Buffett, sat down for an interview in Omaha, Nebraska, with FOX Business Channel's Liz Claman.  The entire interview airs on December 4th, but the channel is airing clips throughout the day.

Buffett gives Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson a vote of confidence in his handling of the financial rescue plan and in his attempt to restore confidence to the markets. Buffett says that he doesn't think he or any of the other congressmen could have done a better job than Paulson has done so far.

Despite Paulson's attempts to infuse money into the financial system, Buffett says that the economy is in a "negative feedback cycle" which will persist for some time.

"There are no silver bullets," says Buffett, who adds that "putting capital into the various financial institutions probably will get the most mileage per dollar spent than the mortgage repurchase program."

On the possibility of becoming Treasury Secretary under an Obama administration, Buffett says that he would say no, but would be glad to give advice to the President if asked.

Noting the he hasn't and won't be asked to serve as Treasury Secretary, Buffett says, "I'm like a girl sitting home on Saturday night. I haven't been called."

He also says that if the Big Three Auto Companies went bankrupt it would be a very wasteful and inefficient way to cause change.  Instead, Buffet suggests that the President goes directly to the Big Three and offers them funds if they lay out a successful business plan. CEOs would also have to put a percentage of their companies' net worth into the plan, forcing the companies to make more of a personal investment in whether they succeed or fail.

Point by point highlights:

Point by point highlights:

Warren Buffett Says Obama will not raise Capital Gain Tax:

"Given the current state of the economy, the tax rates won't change. Given the way Congress works, Congress will not vote for it right now."

Liz Claman continued to report on this saying "But he believes higher tax rates would not cause negative investing behavior. "I don't think it's abusive that those luckiest in society give money back to society’. Warren Buffett saying that Barack Obama probably might not, in his opinion, be in the position to raise the capital gain tax given the economic condition.

On Unemployment:

"There are going to be more people unemployed…but I'm not worried about how we come out in the end. I mean, I'm not worried about five years from now. Five months from now, can be very painful…it will be considerably higher…It will happen eventually [surpassing 8%], and we will go on to new heights, but it will not turn around by mid-year next year."

On Berkshire Hathaway's Stock Plummeting:

"No, it doesn't make any difference. I mean, if you don't own it on margin, you own a business…I look to the business to determine my results. I'll say it's happened to me three other times in my life, too.  It happened when it went from 90 to 40 back in 1974, and it happened in 1987.  It went down 50 percent in 1998 to 2000. I mean, I hope I live long enough so it happens a couple more times to me."

On the Auto Bailouts:

"I would drive a deal like I would drive myself if I were buying a business.  And I think, I would say there's plan A or plan B.  And if you don't want to do it this way, you know, then...take bankruptcy.

I would make the CEOs buy in.  I would say, you know, the United States government is willing to put in X dollars, but we're going to have you put in a certain percentage of your net worth right along with us.  We'll give you more upside, but you're going to lose if we lose."

On the Future of Goldman Sachs:

"Their businesses are all tough now, but they're going to get around it…This time, the institutions got very, very leveraged, and when the whole world tries to be leveraged at one time, I mean, there is a lot of pain that goes around.  But you know, the Goldman’s of the world, they're going to be around.  Some of them needed, I mean, not Goldman specifically, but some of them needed the help of the TARP."

On the President's Role in the Bailouts:

"I think really only the president can do that effectively.  I think it's very difficult for the Congress, where you've got 535 people where each -- you know, one guy has a plan for Chrysler and somebody else has another -- and I think that -- and you have to have somebody who can deliver, who can say, if you do these things, we will come up with a solution.  But if you don't have a business solution, they'll just be putting money in every year for the -- you know, as long as the federal government's around."

On Being the Next Treasury Secretary:

"Well, I haven't been asked.  And I won't be asked.  But the answer is I wouldn't give up my job.  I'm glad to help in any way I can, but I would not do it. So I think, you know, we'll know in a few days, perhaps, who the Treasury secretary will be.  And we'll go from there."

On President-Elect Barack Obama:

"I think that Barack -- I think that Hillary would have made a good president too, and I think Barack will make a terrific president.  I think he's the right person for this time…..you need a strong, decisive, smart leader, who can communicate very well with the American people at a time like this.  They need somebody they believe in, and I think that he has the qualities that are right for this time."

On Selling Investments:

"...I do sell stocks. Not very often…if we're going to put the money in the Goldman Sachs preferred or the General Electric preferred, the Mars-Wrigley deal, to some extent, if we have the money around we'll use the money that is in cash. But I like to keep a lot of money around, so I will sell some things if I need to sell them in order to buy something else…We don't sell businesses, though. Businesses we own we keep."

On His Next Investment Pick:

"Not right now.  But that could change tomorrow. Both GE and Goldman Sachs happened on a phone call I got in the morning and I said yes.  It was -- that's that, something like that."

On Henry Paulson:

"I think it's a very, very tough situation.  There are no silver bullets here.  It's not like some one idea or three ideas that's all of a sudden going to turn around the economy and the markets.  We are in a negative feedback cycle.  It's going to last for a while.  I don't know how long it's going to last… And I don't think I could have done a better job, and I don't think most of the congressmen could do a better job….I think that putting the capital in the various financial institutions, probably you'll get more mileage out of that dollar spent than in the mortgage repurchase program."

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Jim Jubak of MSNBC said that Paulson and his staff have been incompetent, insensitive and arrogant. He points out that Paulson asked for an emergency bailout of $700 billion to buy troubled assets. $350 billion has now been spent and not a single troubled asset has been bought. All the money has gone to recapitalize large banks, most of which were ok. He says the bailout has probably made things worse. Paulson has been a fraudulent disgrace.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | Nov 21, 2008 2:50:17 PM

I think it is impractical to expect the executives will put their networth into the company they run. Unless the company goes through bankrupcy, they all know too well that their money will burn in a second to support the company's liability on union and retired employees.

A practical way is to implement a pay system based on company performance from the top down to janitors and remove union protection shield. The base salary and benefit would be at the same level as those of Toyota and Honda with quarterly or year-end bonus if the company does well. That way they are all motivated to save company $$$ and be more productive and innovative.

In addition, these companies will need aggressive, innovative and visionary leaders who are willing to take risks like Steve Jobs for Apple, not a bunch of lazy bureaucrats, who blames the economy and everyone else for failures but themselves.


Posted by: pmp2008 | Nov 21, 2008 2:52:27 PM

But, I will not put my money in GM's basket even if I have money or can pull money from somewhere. Let it be people's money.

Posted by: JS | Nov 21, 2008 2:57:14 PM

If Buffett thinks that Paulson's doing a good job I would hope that he would not be considered to be the new Sec. of Treasury! Another Paulson is exactly what we don't need. Maybe Paulson is good for folks like Buffett but he's been a disaster for the average American.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | Nov 21, 2008 3:02:13 PM

I hope that a national known journalist would do a story about whether "Piercing the Corporate Veil" would apply to these 3 CEOs? Can they be held accountable for the demise of their companies? Can they be forced to “contribute” their personal assets to replenish the balance sheets of their companies?

"Under Piercing the Corporate Veil, the corporate form is used to perpetuate a fraud, circumvent a statute, or accomplish some other wrongful or inequitable purpose, the courts may decide not observe the separation of the corporate entity from its stockholders, and it may deem the corporation’s acts to be those of the persons or organizations actually controlling the corporation."

These CEOs have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders not to blatantly mismanage their companies to the brink of bankruptcy while paying themselves despicable salaries. They need to be held accountable for their malfeasance.

Posted by: moosedog66 | Nov 21, 2008 3:51:24 PM

Jay Leno suggested that the bailout money go to individuals to be used for the purchase of a new car. That way the auto industry gets a shot in the arm and we all get new cars! Maybe we elected the wrong guy. Leno for President in 2012! At least his ‘State of the Union' speech will be entertaining.

Posted by: Oonogil | Nov 21, 2008 4:11:54 PM

OBVIOUSLY, Warren Buffet only says things that benefit Warren Buffet. The bailout ONLY helps Warren Buffet and his friends...it actualy HURTS the other 100million taxpayers who have to pay for it.

Posted by: Ron Paul | Nov 21, 2008 4:47:47 PM

Jail for Paulson. Jail for Cox!

Posted by: Common Sense | Nov 22, 2008 7:21:40 AM

Seems to me that one solution for the Big 3 would be to turn them into ESOPS. Hell, the Unions basically own them now2 (at effective $77/hour wages) and have said they 'are done giving concenssi0ons.' (Based on our experience with Unions in the steel industry, there is little doubt they mean it) So, let's throw this one out there: turn the car manufactures into a huge Employee Stock Ownership Plan. This idea accomplishes a whole bunch of things. (1) you would hear a big sucking sound (to quote Perot) coming out of the product line at GM and Ford; if it is not selling or redundant then the employees would kick it to the curb; (2) this war between management and labor would go away - frankly, the Unions themselves might go away as being expensive and unnecessary; (3) there would be a revolution in how the employees are paid and their benefits; (4) there is little doubt about the pride-of-manufacturing that would suddenly come out of Detroit (they might actually start building cars as well as Toyota does); (5) there would be a huge Occam's razor to pretty much everything - pensions, health benefits, real estate holdings, job banks, waste, advertising, investments, re tooling for fuel efficiency and the list goes on. Turn these manufacturers into ESOPS and you will see massive change that is way overdue in Detroit and all of it will be politically correc

Posted by: Texas Point of View | Nov 22, 2008 8:08:48 AM

I'm amazed at all of this. First, the American worker has lost BIG TIME. They have lost their pensions, their health insurance, their homes, their dollar doesn't buy much of anything anymore. Meanwhile, we're being told that the companies that "can't afford" to give to the workers CAN afford tons of lobbyists that buy Washington, "Golden parachutes" and private jets and pay in the millions/billions for the "leaders" that have led us to this crisis. What on earth makes anyone think that what they do is worth hundreds of millions while the people that ACTUALLY work get pennies? The money for benefits IS there, it's just been redirected to the top. If the CEO cuts wages, benefits and hours, HE gets more. I dream of hell as being a place where all one's ill gotten goods are piled around them and torched - the bigger the pile the longer, hotter the burn. Should WE pay more to bail them out? Not just NO, but H*LL NO. We are the people that make THEIR jobs possible, we are the one's that ACTUALLY work and earn the money, we are the consumers. This is just what happens when greed is the operative word. ALL of these companies are headed by immoral, arrogant fools that should be tarred and feathered and marched down Main St. right AFTER we recover what we have worked hard for from their offshore non-tax paying accounts and shelters they are bought with our money to hide their plunder. These are the creatures that are turning America into a third world country. Bail out? NO WAY. The stockade YES.

Posted by: thisissick | Nov 22, 2008 12:47:02 PM

This is going to be a duzzer of a depression. There are few people living that can relate to the one in the thirties, but I can and it was'nt pretty. It would have lasted much longer were it not for Pearl Harbor and world war two.
I as born the oldest of twelve kids and had to quit school & go to work at age fourteen to help support the family. I went to work for twenty cents an hr., and never looked back, never felt unpriveleged for having an eighth grade education. Married at age 20 my wife and I went to work to support our family, which came along as soon as possible. We started our own business at age 21 and have worked it for 56 yrs. We went through several major and some smaller recessions and no one ever bailed us out when the going got tough and it did get tough.

As to the auto bailout, in my opinion, it's out of the question. They must file for bankrupt statis and reorganize. There is no way they can survive without doing so. The pensions are to high and the wages are out of sight. There is no way we can expect the average $15.00 hourly wage earner to pay for their cushy jobs.

My sister is a care giver for retired executives who in their eighties are still receiving two new cars yearly along with pensions approaching 90% of there wages after being retired for twenty years. I read where there are nearly eight hundred thousand auto retirees and only three hundred fifty thousand workers supporting them. It so no wonder the big three cannot and will not be competitive.

Posted by: Lyoder | Nov 22, 2008 5:01:01 PM

No Pain, No Gain! Time for the CEO's to hurt too!

Posted by: disgusted in Ohio | Nov 22, 2008 9:30:30 PM

Congress needs to give a federal tax credit to anyone buying one of the
big automakers cars.Bigger tax credit for more fuel efficent cars,
BUY AMERICAN!

Posted by: wayne skiles | Nov 22, 2008 9:54:01 PM

So Mr. Buffett thinks Mr. Paulson etall are doing a good job. That would be a joke but this is not funny. What about the big 3? After their response to congress last week they have no hope but bankruptcy. Those CEOs are incomptetent to run those companies.
What should we do? Use the bailout money to buy the foreclosed mortgages that have already taken place. The most importent thing is to make the Credit Default Swaps illegal, null and void. Why? The first reason is the contracts were illegal as written. The fees for the CDS were not enough to cover possable losses. That means the investment banks issueing the CDS knew they could not meet the terms of the contract that required paying the holder of the CDS in case of foreclosure of the assets covered by the CDS, in most cases mortgages.
Because many CDS were sold for each bundle of mortgages for each $1.00 in foreclosure there was $50.00 in CDS obglations. It is so much money it will and is bankrupting the world. Unless this debt is wiped out what we do with the auto makers will make no change. There will be no money to buy a car or loaf of bread. We need to wake up! Or it will take a generation for the world to recover.

Posted by: LWBrowning | Nov 23, 2008 8:06:58 PM

What does Warren Buffett feel for the millions of Americans who will lose jobs, when unemployment rises to 8% or higher? He feels nothing of course. He has never done any true work in his life. I value a competent airline pilot or surgeon or tradessman far above him.The American workers have been exploited for decades.People should be thrifty and not rely on handouts,but they should not be impovrished by a system that allows financial manipulators to obtain obscene wealth. There is enough wealth in the world for everyone`s need but not for everyone`s greed and that includes the poor in India and Africa.We don`t want socialism or communism but traditional capitalism has failed and must be reformed.

Posted by: richard slater | Nov 23, 2008 8:11:19 PM

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