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A ‘Moderate’ Problem for Republicans, Democrats and Palin
November 04, 2009 2:40 PM
ABC's Stu Schutzman reports from New York:
Webster defines “moderate” as one “avoiding extremes of behavior or expression.” In the political “big tent” era, it’s become a label we liberally toss around. But is there really such an animal as a “moderate” Republican or Democrat or is the word itself antithetical to the political philosophies of both parties?
The late George Carlin might have joked, “Oh, they’re moderates -- they’re semi-pro choice.” Joking aside, for some politicians “moderate” is merely a euphemism for liberal (the dreaded L word) Republican or conservative Democrat. To those trying to rein in the big tent, both are considered to be outside party lines.
Sarah Palin and other like-minded Republicans mounted a withering attack recently against so-called “moderate” Republican Dede Scozzafava during her run for Congress in New York’s 23rd. They were intent on sending a message to the GOP that only pure Republicans need apply. Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman was made to order, described by Salon’s Mike Madden as “ideologically untainted.”
Scozzafava was forced to quit the race resulting yesterday in a Democrat winning the seat for the first time in more than a century. Not a problem for Conservative activist Erik Erickson -- “We did exactly what we set out to do,” he writes in Redstate.com, “crush the establishment backed GOP candidate.”
The Democratic establishment has its “moderate” cross to bear as well. They’re the so-called Blue Dogs, some actually more right wing than many Republicans. Still, the Democratic establishment supported many of their candidacies in conservative districts just to win the seat; build up the numbers in Congress. Worry about trying to govern with them later. Well, as Democrats trying to pass health care reform legislation are finding out -- sometimes later comes sooner than expected.
The question is how much tolerance is there in either party for so-called moderates, centrists, liberals, conservatives or, for that matter, anyone who doesn’t quite fit the mold.
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A candidate supported and backed by ACORN and the Daily Kos can hardly be considered a moderate. Just more spin from the left.
Posted by: betsy | Nov 4, 2009 3:03:31 PM
There are cafeteria republicans and democrats alike. Most people will pick what they like and discard the rest.
People are not programmed to fit some mode.
There are some people, however, that make it their life's work to go to extremes in all cases. They are either being stubborn or psychotic (this type can be found in any party.)
Posted by: ddg | Nov 4, 2009 3:09:32 PM
***The question is how much tolerance is there in either party for so-called moderates, centrists, liberals, conservatives or, for that matter, anyone who doesn’t quite fit the mold.***
Without considering any party at all, generally speaking there is more tolerance for "moderates" in a political party based on how much of a majority that party enjoys in the current scene.
If there is an even split, then moderation rules because to do anything a portion from either side must be appeased. If, however, there is an imbalance one way or the other, the minority will hunker down in the defensive, depending on their base support, and wait for the majority to take the blame for what happens because of errors in judgement due to pride.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | Nov 4, 2009 3:57:09 PM
A moderate is someone who sees problems as complex and blind idealism as dangerous. Conservatism and Liberalism at their core are intolerant of opposing views. They feel threatened. Liberals and Conservatives will never agree on a solution which leads to stagnation...and that is where this country is right now...stagnated. It is the moderates who must step forward and bridge the gap....Unfortunately, one party considers moderates as weak and wants to purify their party by getting rid of them....That is sad...
Posted by: indy_voter | Nov 4, 2009 4:07:24 PM
Where do I send money to get ACORN and the Daily Kos to back Mike Castle, Mark Kirk, and Charlie Crist? I would love to see these 'true conservatives' decide to ruin Republican chances in a race that actually matters.
Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 4, 2009 4:11:28 PM
A generation ago, both the Republicans and Democrats had liberals and conservatives alike. It seems that now, the parties are no longer "big tents." I think that is a huge loss for us as a nation. I'm old school conservative (in other words, NOT a NeoCon). Was a time when I could have fit in either party, depending on other political and social views. Now, I'm stuck in the Republican party, mostly because the Democrats have made it abundantly clear there is no room in their tent for me.
Posted by: lovedori | Nov 4, 2009 4:18:27 PM
A general marker for "Moderate" is intangible now. Social vs fiscal vs nationalist vs ? If you are a social liberal there is no place in the Republican party. If you are a fiscal conservative there is no place in the Democratic party. If you are a nationalist you are an outcast. I am an independent because neither party represents everything that is important to me. So my vote ends up going for the candidate that insults my several values the least.
Posted by: TX_MBell | Nov 4, 2009 4:26:57 PM
A lot of the words used to describe politicians are meaningless, but moderate is particularly so. The only thing that really matters is that corporations essentially control the actions of the government, no matter the party or their ideology. That goes for both Republicans and Democrats. Just take a cursory look at Max Baucus's top contributors and then who would have benefited from his bill, and you won't doubt it.
Posted by: CP | Nov 4, 2009 4:35:26 PM
Only moderates, are going to be taken seriously, in these times.
Anyone who is too conservative (bible thumping, anti-gay, extremists), or too liberal, (fiscally irresponsible bleeding hearts), is going to find tough going in 2010.
The independents are growing, and we are not happy with either GOP, nor Dems.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | Nov 4, 2009 5:10:30 PM
Ironic that Reps complain that they want a "bipartisan" health care bill, but in truth they can't even be bipartisan within their own party. They want things the right-wing way or nothing.
The libs and cons in the Dem party are working to bring home a bill, but the Reps would rather lose a district that they have held for almost two centuries than have a "bipartisan" or a truly independent candidate.
Posted by: OB-Wan222 | Nov 4, 2009 5:18:50 PM
The republican Moosiah. Keep on backing candidates, Palin, and Dems will keep on picking up seats. Wink, wink...you betcha!
Posted by: pamp205 | Nov 4, 2009 6:21:32 PM
"pure republicans" as in "pure white" lol. Sarah Palin you are a LOSER. Go home to your family and raise your very young children, they need you.....We don't!
Posted by: sara | Nov 4, 2009 6:33:14 PM
It is amazing what idiot moonbat lefties think that Pslin has any real influence. Talk about stupid. Duhhh!
Posted by: jonny | Nov 4, 2009 6:52:34 PM
Folks we must stop supporting this 2 party duopoly. By its very nature it is Un-American. Think for yourselves!!
Posted by: Al | Nov 4, 2009 6:58:23 PM
HaHaHaHa. To funny. The right wingnuts lost.
Posted by: Jim Bob | Nov 4, 2009 7:13:54 PM
Article in the St. Petersburg , FL Times Newspaper on Sunday
Instead of giving billions of dollars to companies that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan. You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:
There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them $1 million apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:
1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings -
Unemployment fixed.
2) They MUST buy a new American CAR. Forty million cars ordered-
Auto Industry fixed.
3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage-
Housing Crisis fixed.
It can't get any easier than that!
If more money is needed, have all members of Congress and the Senate pay their taxes...
Sincerely,
A. Taxpayer
Posted by: Pam | Nov 4, 2009 7:37:13 PM
Every issue should be on the public ballot written in short common form not legal book length jargon full of exclusions, exceptions and several issues in one that leaves room for loopholes and dispute. Every issue should be on the public ballot; gun control or not, abortion or not, bailing out the financial institutes and car companies or give every employee over 50 $1 million with the above stipulation, the death penalty or not, mandatory insurance or hold companies who’s products are linked to all major diseases accountable: the producer’s of soda’s, candy pastries,msg, chips, cig’s, alcohol, etc and take some responsibility ourselves etc. All issues should be on the ballot and the popular vote MUST RULE.
The very best way to cut government spending is to eliminate every political position except that of the President and that position should be redefined as follows; Responsibilities are National Security, World affairs, promoting world peace.
ARE YOU READY FOR THIS, One randomly selected issue writer from each state would be hired. ARE YOU READY FOR THIS, Issues would then be placed on the public ballot. ARE YOU READY FOR THIS, the public votes. ARE YOU READY FOR THIS, the public vote rules!!! OMG, What a concept!!! ARE YOU READY!!!!!!
This is THE RIGHT THAT AMERICANS fight and die for, this is our right as American’s. Politician’s have taken that right from us only because we are letting them!!!!
Posted by: Pam | Nov 4, 2009 7:40:13 PM
How anyone can knock Palin when the Dems have Pelosi is beyond me.
Posted by: Bill | Nov 4, 2009 8:06:05 PM
The whole concept of ideological purity is a lame excuse for those who are unable or unwilling to do the hard work involved in thinking for oneself. Make a choice on the merits of an issue, NOT what some talking head TELLS you.
Posted by: AGB | Nov 4, 2009 8:25:40 PM
Here's the thing about politics in the US:
When the Democrats lose an election, they stop, dust themselves off, and say, "Next time around I'm really going to do more to reach out to the people on the right."
When the Republicans lose an election, they stop, dust themselves off, and say, "Next time around I'm really going to do more to reach out to the people on the right."
Posted by: mullingitover | Nov 4, 2009 8:28:26 PM
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