Womenomics
ABC News' Claire Shipman and the BBC's Katty Kay on women, work and what it really means to "have it all."
Claire Shipman is Good Morning America's Senior National Correspondent. She covers everything from politics to international affairs to family issues.
Katty Kay covers American politics and society for the BBC. She can be seen in the US on BBC America.
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What do women really want?
December 17, 2008 1:58 PM
At first glance this month's FORTUNE 500 figures don't offer much in the way of holiday cheer for professional women. We haven't got very far on board seats. We're pretty scarce when it comes to corporate officer positions. We've actually declined in numbers among the country's top earners. Talk about Christmas gloom.
Fortune cites a new Catalyst study with a ton of stats on how women are failing to break into the very top echelons of corporate America. The research organization concludes there's been "no change for women in a year of change."
We would quote the numbers but they're too depressing. Unless, unless.... you see those numbers in a whole different - more realistic- entirely more positive light.
Isn't it possibly the case that the number of women on board seats and in corporate officer positions hasn't increased very much because that's simply not where women want to be? We don't want to do the 60 or 70 hours weeks it takes to get to the very very top. Yes we want interesting work, yes we are committed, educated and diligent but more and more of us are saying we want to invest less not more in our professional lives. According to the FAMILY AND WORK INSTITUTE, fifteen years ago over half of women said they wanted more responsibility at work, today that figure has fallen to 28%.
This is a fundamental shift but it is not a defeat. Quite the opposite. After decades of scrambling up a career ladder that never really suited us, women are molding the workplace to suit our real needs. It means we are increasingly happy to take steps sidewards or even backwards in order to win that most precious of feminine commodities, more time.
So next time you read woe-is-us figures on the scarcity of women in the corner office - remember, if we're not there, it's mostly because we don't want to be. If we wanted that board seat, we're certainly smart and efficient enough to get it. But do we really want it? Sane and balanced sounds better to us.
Katty and Claire
December 17, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (17)
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Women that want the board seats don't get those positions--even if they want them--because it is assumed throughout their careers that they want to reserve time for their families, but this assumption is not always correct.
Believe it or not, there are actually women who can handle both career and family AND there are women who don't have children at home. Your note perpetuates the negative stereotype (by trying to justify it), thereby wrecking it for women who want to lead. I guess you can call yourselves "post-feminists."
Posted by: tina | Dec 17, 2008 2:36:32 PM
What about the possibility that if more women held the high echelon positions, they would be more efficient/effective than men have been and wouldn't require 70-hour workweeks of themselves or any of their employees? Perhaps the whole paradigm would shift and balance would reign.
Posted by: Barbara | Dec 18, 2008 11:11:37 AM
Finally a balanced view of women and work. We want it all, but does that mean we have to do it all, too? I don't think so. Thanks for your much appreciated thoughts!
Posted by: Christine Louise Hohlbaum | Dec 19, 2008 10:16:56 AM
If the treatment of Sarah Palin is any indication, we as a nation are a long way away from taking women seriously. Even when women such as the governor succeed based on their hard work and competence they will be attacked. Their beliefs will be open to attack unless they hold specific views. They will be dismissed if they are attractive or ignored if they are unattractive.
Can anyone really make an argument that Obama was more qualified than Hillary? Yet he was the chosen candidate. The shallow envy of women when it comes to other women getting ahead was evident in the Democratic primary as well as the treatment of Sarah Palin in the general election. As a manager I see women undermining other women on a regular basis, not to get ahead personally, but to bring other women down to their level. Until this attitude changes why should male candidates not play on these feelings for their own benefit?
I for one believe we need to find a way to get women to look past this self placed competition so they can take their rightful place in the governance of our nation. The problems we face simply are too great to have half our population sidetracked by petty gender envy and competition.
As for myslef, I hope I get the chance to vote for Sarah Palin in 2012. Her elevation would signal a long overdue embrace of women as fully contributing partners in our democracy.
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Posted by: janice power | Jan 2, 2009 12:40:34 PM
I work for a small company that is owned and ran by a woman. I work tons of hours, don't get paid for overtime and the benefits are terrible. Once the ecomony improves, I will likely move on. I am a woman myself and used to consider myself a feminist, but don't know what to believe anymore. I've had both male and female managers and don't see a difference either way. When it comes to running a company all CEOs and managers care about is money and profits - that goes for males and females. If they put anything above profits and company performance (like treating employees fair), they get accused of not running their companies effectively. Females gaining CEO positions and board seats is not going to change any of this because money rules.
Posted by: Angela | Jan 3, 2009 12:13:15 AM
I beg to differ, but there are plenty of women who would excel in positions of power and influence. In fact, there is clearly a need for women in those positions based on the mess we are currently in -- which was devised by men -- an inside job brought this country to its knees.
Women not would, I believe, have positioned this country, the families, the children and the voiceless in our society in this position. Namely homeless and helpless.
Women, I believe, would have thought beyond the immediate need to feed ego and satisfy the need for greed.
Women, I believe, would welcome the opportunity to be on boards, in CEO/CFO/CIO positions. But the good old boys do not want this because they know that we are in fact better suited for the position. The act on fear, jealousy and insecurity.
Yes, Women have a lot to learn from the socialization of men. Men have been conditioned to play together via the team/sports dynamic that most women are not engaged in.
We, as women need to learn to play well together with the understanding that until we do we will continue to be the victims of those in power that are clearly not the "Servant Leadership" aka "mother" types. They are not as interested in everyone developing, evolving and being the very best that they can be -- especially if that means that will not be seen in the light they deem appropriate based upon the shallowness of their ego.
I like, men, I simply don't like the pattern of behavior that we as a country have seen played out over and over again -- not to our benefit.
There is the war, the economy, the gasoline, the environment, etc.
We, as women, owe it to this country to place our selves in positions of power and influence to change the growing trend of power and greed that is self-evident in those that currently lead.
It is time for CHANGE - I hope women take the cue and ask not what there country can do for them -- but what can they do for their country. Be the change/solution that we need.
If nothing else, when you have a budget make sure a line item gets designated for a women in business so that she can in turn do the same. Because until we have some form of economic foundation = power -- things will never change!
Posted by: Elaine | Jan 3, 2009 1:57:36 AM
Maybe Katty and Claire want to take a look at the incredible women who are making a difference in this economy. Just look at the women named to corporate boards of directors the first week of January 2009, at -- http://www.newsonwomen.com
Thank heaven these women, and the sharp and savvy women of Obama's economic team, did not "cop out" as suggested.
Posted by: Elizabeth | Jan 8, 2009 1:03:13 PM
The answer to the question also depends on the specific woman you're talking about. The Small Business Administration's research also found that women working simply "on jobs" had human capital characteristics that differed significantly from women working "in their own businesses." Take a look at the study from April 2008:
http://www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs323tot.pdf
Golly gee, whaddaya know? Not all women think alike!!!
Posted by: Elizabeth | Jan 9, 2009 1:38:58 PM
Honestly...all feminist will try to kill me...but what ALL WOMEN want is a man like Clint Eastwood on Grand Torino. It's that simple.
Posted by: Transparente | Jan 22, 2009 12:01:22 AM
I beg to differ -- it's you that's simple!
Posted by: EMLyles | Feb 2, 2009 4:56:06 PM
This is to transparente
This is a hasty generalization caused by poor inductive reasoning. This is one way most of our prejudices originates. It is very important you have supporting or logical points before you comment in such a manner. I look forward to more intelligent blogs in the future.
Posted by: lisa | Feb 8, 2009 10:06:53 PM
Me? No? Awe shucks.
Posted by: Huh | Feb 10, 2009 5:12:10 PM
Most women want equality, same amount of power, pay and work respect that men recieve. From personal experience, there should be no reason why a woman should be overlooked in high paying jobs, with the same or more experience as a man. Women have multi-tasks all their lives. Having a job, family and responsibilities is nothing knew for us. You don't see men coming home to wife and kids and cooking and cleaning as often as women, who also hold down a job. Until men learn that women aren't always their enemy, and they shed themselves of insecurities and "head man" mentalities, women unfortunately will take second seat. If a man is insecure enough to over look what a woman can do, I wouldn't hold much strength in his ability to see how to keep any business afloat. afterall, men who are in higher positions are not doing their jobs alone. They have others he depends on for information, secretarial and such. Most are women who do the work, yet it is men who take most if not all credit. EQUALITY. Womaen aren't asking for the world. They want the recogition, the respect, same pay, and same opportunities as men.It doesn not mean that we can't also be mothers, and care providers only.
Posted by: Karol | Mar 10, 2009 3:21:25 PM
What can happen is this. Women can work their butt off and achieve success. But the men in their lives, if they make less money, will find a way to cheat the money and power from them. It is that simple. It comes from the fact that when push comes to shove, and we are back in stone age conditions, men can kick the crap out of women. period.
Posted by: s | Mar 25, 2009 1:51:10 PM
I think that many women do not get into the upper leadership positions of corporations becasue of many reasons that we know so well. The most pronounced in my mind is that the business world has been designed by men for men and as we've been entering it, we've clashed with its structure that does not accommodate our interests.
Now that we have proved ourselves as capable and often times, more capable than our male counterparts and make an important percentage of the educated labor force, we can start to work with men to re-design the corporate world so that it's designed by men and women for men and women. If we take ourselves out of the market by declining promotions, we continue to contribute to the status-quo instead of offering another paradigm as an option that would be better for men, women, families, clients/customers, profits and societies alike.
At the same time, it makes sense that many women do not appreciate the way we're often treated in the corporate world and choose to leave it. We start our own companies and create environments and relationships that can offer us the joys of working and raising families in a more productive and effective way. I see this as a conscious choice about our lives -- not that we cannot "make it" in the high-level corporate world, but we choose how we want to work and live and design our lives to accommodate our interests.
Posted by: Eleni Pallas | Jun 1, 2009 6:19:00 AM
I'm a VP at a large engineering firm. It's a technical profession, and as such, is very male dominated.
I find that the most effective and valuable female employees in my division are those who don't get caught up in gender issues, and just focus on the work, like their male counterparts.
So many of these posts seem to contain underlying hostility. I do not promote women in my division who exhibit this characteristic.
Posted by: Eric | Jun 2, 2009 10:33:29 PM
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