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Archbishop Compares Gay Relationships To Marriage
August 07, 2008 12:46 PM
Eliza Browning, ABC News, London
The leader of the Anglican Church is making headlines in Britain today because it was revealed that he believes homosexual relationships are “comparable to marriage” in the eyes of God.
In letters written eight years ago before he became Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams compared gay relationships to marriage and questioned the Anglican Communion’s traditional doctrine that homosexuality is sinful.
“I concluded that an active sexual relationship between two people of the same sex might therefore reflect the love of God in a way comparable to marriage,” Williams wrote.
The letters, which have been reviewed by ABCNews.com, were leaked to the British media last night. They were part of a private exchange between Williams and Deborah Pitt, a psychiatrist and evangelical Christian from South Wales.
Williams, who was appointed Archbishop of Canterbury in 2002, is the principal leader of the Church of England. The leak of the letters comes just weeks after Williams presided over the Lambeth Conference, a meeting that happens once a decade to unite Anglican bishops.
Many see the release as an attempt to undermine the position of the archbishop, who has come under attack by more conservative members of the Anglican Church for his liberal views on homosexuality.
Conservative leaders of the Anglican Church see the letters as a “betrayal.”
The Rev. Canon Chris Sugden, executive secretary of an orthodox group of Anglican leaders called Anglican Mainstream, told ABCNews.com that the content of the letters represents a “real tension that must be in the archbishop’s own mind.”
“One hears a discussion with himself," Sugden went on to say. "He believes the Church should change over time, but his duty is to uphold the teaching of the Church.”
Sugden said this “inner conflict” reflects the controversy surrounding homosexuality facing members of the church. Tensions over the issue were made obvious in 2003 after the Episcopal Church, the Anglican body in the U.S., consecrated the first openly gay bishop, Gene Robinson of New Hampshire.
As archbishop, Williams has tried to hold a traditional line on homosexuality for the sake of the church, but the letters show his liberal views on the issue. And the letter expresses hope that the church will relax its rules to be more accepting of gay relationships.
"The Bible does not address the matter of appropriate behaviour for those who are, for whatever reason, homosexual by instinct or nature," he wrote.
A spokesperson for the archbishop declined to comment on the letters and did not provide information about whether or not the archbishop knew how the letters were leaked.
Stonewall, a leading gay rights advocacy group in the U.K., welcomes the views expressed in the letters.
“It’s refreshing to see the archbishop’s liberal comments in the public domain,” Gary Nunn, a spokesperson for Stonewall, told ABCNews.com.
Nunn added that many members of Stonewall believe that faith leaders inadequately reflect their followers’ religious objections to lesbian and gay sexuality. He said that many held “significantly more moderate views of homosexuality than is often claimed on their behalf,” Nunn said.
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What Jesus said about RELIGIOUS LEADERS:
Matthew 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Matthew 23:25
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
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WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT SELF-DEFENSE AND THE USE OF FORCE OR VIOLENCE AGAINST ONE'S ENEMIES:
Luke 6:28-30 (King James Version)
Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
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WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT RICH PEOPLE:
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mark 10:24-26
WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS:
WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT ABORTION:
Posted by: Bill | Aug 7, 2008 1:37:14 PM
Christianity and Islam are just tools to achieve colonial ambitions of Roman kings and Arabs caliphs.
They were very successfull in making 3/4 of the world die for them and perpetually be slaves for them for almost 2000 years and counting.
There is hardly any spiritual enlightenment from those religions
Posted by: Aloke | Aug 7, 2008 1:38:22 PM
Karl Fountain....great response! Praise Yahweh. Kahan Benyamin
Posted by: wcrouse | Aug 7, 2008 1:38:57 PM
If you are anti-gay and you think the Bible supports your ignorance, then you are no better than a racist. Period.
Posted by: datlaw | Aug 7, 2008 1:38:57 PM
Christians are gay! All you bible bangers need to come out of the closet.
Stop raping our children because you cannot come to terms with your homosexual desires!
Posted by: Joe | Aug 7, 2008 1:39:39 PM
gay is wrong
Posted by: gayiswrong | Aug 7, 2008 1:39:41 PM
This is a perfect example of what Freemasonry has done to the church of England commonly known as the Anglican church. The reality is that there is sin and some types of sin are sexual acts. but then again delving on sin is less as important as delving on God and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Posted by: chris ruggiero | Aug 7, 2008 1:40:20 PM
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your church, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify'? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Posted by: Bill | Aug 7, 2008 1:41:02 PM
Homosexuality will bring the end of mankind! How will our species survive if this homo thing really catches on? I am afraid the homo's will bring the armagetiton
Posted by: Jim | Aug 7, 2008 1:42:39 PM
It looks like the psychiatrist elicited the archbishop's views on homosexuality in writing only to turn the letters over to the media. This psychiatrist who calls herself a Christian appears to have pulled a cheap trick on both the bishop and public.
Posted by: kat | Aug 7, 2008 1:43:14 PM
It looks like the psychiatrist elicited the archbishop's views on homosexuality in writing only to turn the letters over to the media. This psychiatrist who calls herself a Christian appears to have pulled a cheap trick on both the bishop and public.
Posted by: kat | Aug 7, 2008 1:43:19 PM
Regarding Mark's question on homosexuality as sin, first, even if you think that anything from the Old Testament is "forgiven sin", it does not change the fact that it is defined as sin. Your own words say that. Regarding Christ specifically saying "homosexuality is sin", I don't think it was necessary for Christ for Christ to recite the entire list of what His Father defined as sin for it to be considered sin. There are any number of acts that were defined in the law as sin that no one seems to argue about would still be considered sin, like sleeping with your mother for example. In John 10:30 Jesus said "I and the Father are one", so I think it's a pretty safe bet that if God considered something sin, that Jesus would also. Remember, Jesus Christ was considered God incarnate. The New Testament also never said the disciples took a bath either, but I suspect they did clean up every now and then or they would have been a ripe bunch had they not. Finally, I believe Jesus loves us all, but it does not mean He loves all we do.
Posted by: Deerfield | Aug 7, 2008 1:44:18 PM
Scriptures: Romans 1:18-21; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Romans 1:26-27
Is it true that any issue Jesus did not speak to is to be considered morally acceptable? A cursory reflection on the notion reveals that this is not a true premise. Jesus did not speak to the issue of incest, rape, drug abuse, wife beating, and gay-bashing. Are we to conclude that these acts are morally good? Clearly not. We cannot determine the moral nature of an act by the mere observation that Jesus did not address the issue. Jesus did not speak to every moral issue there is to speak to. He spoke to those moral concerns that were relevant to his day, and homosexuality was not one of them. Of course Jesus said and did much more than what is recorded of Him in the Gospels, so it is possible that He might have commented on the issue but it was not recorded by the Evangelists because they did not deem it important to their theological and literary purposes. Whether it was Jesus' failure to address the issue of homosexuality, or the Evangelists' failure to record what He might have spoke concerning it, it speaks nothing concerning the morality of the act itself.
See: www.inplainsite.org and type in homosexuality. Get real info about his issue.
Posted by: rumores | Aug 7, 2008 1:44:49 PM
Jim - "How will our species survive if this homo thing really catches on?" - That's ok Jim. I really appreciate you looking out for the species, but go ahead and go for it.
Posted by: jmengate | Aug 7, 2008 1:46:31 PM
The Christain God is as real as the Greek Gods, in that they are made up...is anyone educated anymore???
Posted by: Ashley | Aug 7, 2008 1:46:50 PM
Also The basic text reads God did not create Gay men and Women Adam and Eve did. This is in the irrefutable word of God. really it's not like God made this guy a bishop so he must be right but, more like is he right?
Posted by: chris ruggiero | Aug 7, 2008 1:48:42 PM
Jim
I'm not sure whether the "armagetiton" is a good thing or a bad thing, but I really don't see that humans are having any trouble procreating, do you?
Posted by: jock59801 | Aug 7, 2008 1:49:32 PM
Now I see why God destroyed Sodom. Even when the truth of the word of God is before them and shown to them over & over they still try to explain it away and say that Christians don't love them. Sin is Sin your right. Homosexuality is a sin. It doesn't not make you love that person you do but you still want them to repent and be saved because you love them same as if they were addicted to a drug. If it makes you feel better to down a Christian even though they do love you but wont make you feel better by telling you what you want to hear, then add that to your list of sins. We will be accountable for ours you be accountable for yours. It is not our job to judge you but to tell you the truth.
Posted by: Rebecca Rolling | Aug 7, 2008 1:51:57 PM
I wonder how he feels about a relationship between men and little boys.
Posted by: Jon | Aug 7, 2008 1:52:10 PM
Romans 1:26-32
Posted by: zoswifey | Aug 7, 2008 1:52:25 PM
I'm going to make the assumption that everyone bringing up the Old Testament rules in this thread keep a strictly kosher household themselves?
Posted by: Sam | Aug 7, 2008 1:52:28 PM
That is the problem with any belief system built on myths. It is built on many contradictions that people unsuccessfully spend their lives trying to rationalize.
Posted by: Dennis | Aug 7, 2008 1:52:30 PM
This man is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Posted by: Mike | Aug 7, 2008 1:54:19 PM
The Anglican Communion’s traditional doctrine that homosexuality is sinful is based on Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Pretty clear cut. So to be logically consistent, any religion that finds homosexuality acceptable must also find the rest of the forbidden sexual acts in Leviticus such as incest and bestiality to also be acceptable to that religion.
Posted by: Tyrone | Aug 7, 2008 1:54:19 PM
It is about time they see it for what it is, a loving, caring relationship between two consenting adults. And by the way Jmengate, plenty of gays have kids and plenty more want kids so no need to worry about "how the species will survive if the homo thing catches on". Gays have been reproducing for eons now, nothing new.
Posted by: bb1970 | Aug 7, 2008 1:55:42 PM
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