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This news is not complete. I understood that Pakistani side asked that drone attacks should be stopped. But it doesn't say what was the answer from U.S? Will they stop those attacks? Did they say, we are not going to stop? The news is not telling me the whole story.

I think the answer is "we won't stop until the targets are destroyed", and my thought is that Zardari, in private, said, "Hey, sounds good to me!"

"...Pakistani politicians have become outspoken on their public opposition to the attacks." Many of them privately condone the attacks, but they can't publicly say that.

Has Pakistan handed Osama bin Laden over to us after all the years that he has been in their country? They are lucky we have not launched a full-scale invasion.

So Pakistan thinks it is a sovereign nation? It apparently doen't know it is dealing with the United States of the World (aka 4th Reich).

I find I cannot side with the “Ends Justifies the Means” crowd here. If we feel that there is just cause to declare war on a sovereign nation, then let us do so. But let’s not kid ourselves; once again we are attacking without permission from the Pakistani government.

Are they harboring terrorists? Yup. On purpose? I have no idea. Should we be striking those terrorist? Quite probably yes. But I’m tired of the moral elasticity with which our executive branch operates under. I don't care whether Pakistan deserves that treatment or not. THEY should not be the issue here. It is who WE are that is at stake here. Let’s be above board. Act with honor, even (or maybe especially) when your opponents do not.

The world is watching us.

Why blame Islam?

Individuals, not religions, carry out inhuman acts.

Islam is a religion of peace, accepted and practiced by more than 1.25 billion people worldwide. It is the fastest-growing religion in the world, and if it was what some critics claim, why should the people from all walks of life from around the world keep embracing Islam? Where is the sword now?

In Islam, a person has the right to defend himself, his family, his country or his neighbor(s), which justifies the resistance being offered by the people of Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Iraq, Kashmir and Palestine, to attacks on their soils by the so-called liberators, who are actually the occupiers.

The Holy Qur’an clearly states that if a person saves one life, it’s as if he saved humanity, and if a person kills one human being, it’s as if he killed humanity.

What is happening in the enslaved Muslim countries is a natural reaction to occupation, bombings, killing and terrorizing of innocent civilians (children, old men and women), rapes, in addition to looting of resources, national antiques and artifacts, above all the destruction of their property by the occupiers.

Terror breeds terror.

We assure those who bash Islam that if there was no occupation in this world by foreign invaders, there would be no resistance – the so-called terror.

We would like those who criticize Islam to explain the following acts committed by the Christians on Jews, other Christians and Muslims alike, throughout history:

- Hundreds of thousands of Muslim men, women and children killed by the crusaders, who were Christians.

- Inquisition of Jews and Muslims from Spain by Queen Isabella, a Christian.

- Millions of people killed by the European and American Christians during the two world wars and the civil wars.

- Atrocities committed on millions of Jews and Christians by Adolph Hitler, a professed Christian.

- Hundreds of thousands of Christians killed every year by the Irish Christians, including the British and the IRA, both Catholics and Protestants, during the past few centuries. Why they are not blamed to be “Christian Terrorists, or Catholic Terrorists, or Protestant Terrorists?”

Both of them believe in Jesus Christ, who told them to turn the other cheek, and both of them believe in the same Lord, Who commanded that “Thou shall not kill.” Period.

- Timothy McVeigh, who bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, OK, in the United States of America, was a Catholic. Are all Catholics terrorists?

For more than sixty (60) years, the Zionists are actively involved in the genocide of a whole nation, killing a number of Muslims in the occupied territories of Palestine on a daily basis with machine guns, missiles from helicopters, tanks, and bombs from F16s, under the watch of the western countries, the so-called champions of the human rights. How do you explain that?

Just by labeling the freedom fighters as terrorists and launching another holocaust on the poor Palestinians as revenge will not wipe out the crimes or the guilt of Hitler! Where are the justice, equality, freedom, and above all the human tights of Palestinians, dead or alive, propagated by these champions of human rights?

Last but not least, the bombings, killings, lynching, murders and raping of innocent Native American Indians and black slaves (Afro-Americans) committed by the so-called Christians in the United States during the past 200 years of history. What about them?

Will those filled with hate for Islam blame Christianity for the above inhuman acts by Christians in various parts of the world since its inception?

If not, then why are they blaming the religion of Islam for what is a natural reaction to occupation of Muslim countries by foreign invaders?

Most importantly, these folks should know that the three (3) great Abrahamic religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – have one common basis, and that is one God Almighty.

“All men (and women) are created equal, and we all are one nation under Almighty God,” is a clear cut statement according to the Holy Qur’an and is very well elucidated in the Constitution of these United States, one of the champions of the human rights.

Lastly, yet importantly, as brothers in humanity, we recommend those Islamophobists filled with prejudice to get life and an education in the history of Islam and Muslims, before they dare to write nasty letters, articles, and news releases, using out of context verses from the Holy Qur’an and distorted statements from the true traditions of our Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him), full of personal, ingrain hate and vendetta against Islam and Muslims.

We would be pleased to provide anyone with free copies of the Holy Qur’an and Islamic literature in English or any other language, which would help them to understand the truth about Islam and Muslims and get rid of all hate from their systems, God willing.

May God Almighty show the light to all those, who believe in one mankind, as children of Adam and Eve, hence brothers and sisters, no matter what they believe in, Amen.

"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."
- Samuel P. Huntington (author The Clash Of Civilisations)

this is a war WITHIN Islam...

this is a war WITHIN Islam...

Pakistan is taking billions and billions of dollars from the US and will continue to do so as long as there remains a threat from the "tribal" areas. Pakistan isn't going to give up a solid source of milk by destroying the cow.

And as for you Doc Qazi:

Centuries of oppression have existed wherever Islam is the dominant religion. Apparently, reporting on Muslim atrocities around the world constitutes an attack. A great number of Muslims are easily offended by anything. The intention of Islam is to subjugate any nation in which Muslims gain a population foothold. Where Islam is the dominant religion, it also expects to be the law of the land, rejecting a secular approach to government. Wherever there is Islam there will eventually be fundamentalism and oppression. Christian proselytism is discouraged, where not outright prohibited, throughout the Muslim world and Muslims who convert to Christianity (or any other religion) are subject to death according to Sharia law. Ironically, this situation is not applicable to the Muslim communities in the West: for where Muslim clerics struggle against the Christian missionaries in Islamic countries, Muslim missionaries in the West enjoy many freedoms and may welcome new converts.
The only reason Islam is the fastest growing religion is that most familes breed like flies and Islam keeps it members bacause they threaten to kill anyone who leaves.

All of these religions are responsible for atrocities throughout history & all purported to have god on thier side. Yes people kill people but bit is more often than not in the name of God.

You want peace; stop shooting and bombing. The U.S. and everyone else would have to start talking when the killing stops. The peace loving Muslims want what we want, to be left alone in peace. The terrorist want power and control, no matter what the cost. Seems the problems arise with the power hungry of the world whatever they profess about their peaceful intents. If you have what I want I will take it from you; over your dead body if need be. Seems there are some very bad human traits at work in the world right now.

Well said, Ben. There are extremists in every group. But no more among Muslims than among Christians, Hindus, Jews, etc.

I'm afraid that many Americans just like to see the US wage violence against others. (Wow, look at the rockets and bombs droppng on those men, women and children in Bagdad!!!!) They self-rightously oppose it only after they become bored with it.

"You want peace; stop shooting and bombing. The U.S. and everyone else would have to start talking when the killing stops. The peace loving Muslims want what we want, to be left alone in peace. The terrorist want power and control, no matter what the cost. Seems the problems arise with the power hungry of the world whatever they profess about their peaceful intents. If you have what I want I will take it from you; over your dead body if need be. Seems there are some very bad human traits at work in the world right now. "

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Lets see...I vote we ask them ALL over your house for a nice chat! Im sure you would be very capable at mediating such nice round table discussion.

You let the rest of us know how that works out for ya!

"Lets see...I vote we ask them ALL over your house for a nice chat! Im sure you would be very capable at mediating such nice round table discussion.

You let the rest of us know how that works out for ya!"
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I would just as soon have over the average Muslim as I would the average Christian.

I would just as much not want to have over the average Muslim extremist as the average Christian extremist.

There is no difference between them.

"I find I cannot side with the “Ends Justifies the Means” crowd here. If we feel that there is just cause to declare war on a sovereign nation, then let us do so. But let’s not kid ourselves; once again we are attacking without permission from the Pakistani government.

Are they harboring terrorists? Yup. On purpose? I have no idea. Should we be striking those terrorist? Quite probably yes. But I’m tired of the moral elasticity with which our executive branch operates under. I don't care whether Pakistan deserves that treatment or not. THEY should not be the issue here. It is who WE are that is at stake here. Let’s be above board. Act with honor, even (or maybe especially) when your opponents do not.

The world is watching us.
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It is possible that this site has managed to gather up all the most nieve people in the US?

Lets just wait until ALL the terrorists walkout with thier support your local terroist shirts on. Every situation is fluid, and the decision to use miliary force is always based on the best available intelligence. That intel always carries with it a possibility of being wrong.

The choices here are in fact quite simple. We can bring all our troops home and never attack anyone anywhere again, unless they admit to doing it and are willing to give is GPS coordinates for their location.

If you dont like that, cut the whinning!
This is a very dirty business and as much as we want to avoid collateral dmage, the guys hide themselves and the resources in places where there will always be innocent people who get caught up in the hostilities.

We can either coem home and close up our borders completely, or step up and lead in a dangerous world!

I would just as soon have over the average Muslim as I would the average Christian.

I would just as much not want to have over the average Muslim extremist as the average Christian extremist.

There is no difference between them.

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ok, cute reply...incredibly foolish, but cute!

when was the last time you saw a christian extremist take over a plane and fly it into a building during rush hour in a major city?

anyway, why wouldn't you want an extremeist in your home? I thought you wanted to talk....talk requires two willing parties. Last time I looked, Islamic extremeists wanted us DEAD. Personally, I have a hard time holding a conversation from the afterlife.

America's response should state publically that Pakistan show substantive progress with removing terrorists and the drones will stop. Pretty much that simple.

The US is the world's bully, doing whatever it wishes to others. If anyone did the same to us, they would immediately be denounced as terrorists and we would try to justify killing millions to get at them. 3rd Reich, USSR, and so many other bullies we emulate.

I'm sorry that you see honor as nieve Mike_C. I respectfully disagree. We can fight our foes without becoming like them.

We need to pull back from southern Afghanistan and the Pakistan boarder. They, the terrorists are so dug in that we can only wage a blind, defensive position there. The bad guys are supported by the locals and are hiding amongst them. You try to kill them and you kill civilians. We need to move out and if they want to follow us up north they will not be able to move freely and hide. They will have to bring the fight to us. Something they are no as good at. They fight better from their holes and caves.

Iraq is Iraq no power on earth can make this country whole. They don’t want peace because they don’t know what peace is. The concept is just to difficult for the different sects to understand. As far as they are concerned as long as different sects exist there is no such concept. There can’t be. Their religions won’t accept anything but their religions. I feel sorry for the children of the middle east. They only know what is force fed to them from birth.

One good thing is that if Obama wins, he will nuke Pakistan in order to get Bin Laden.

j_dub said:
"We need to pull back from southern Afghanistan and the Pakistan boarder. They, the terrorists are so dug in that we can only wage a blind, defensive position there. The bad guys are supported by the locals and are hiding amongst them. You try to kill them and you kill civilians. We need to move out and if they want to follow us up north they will not be able to move freely and hide. They will have to bring the fight to us. Something they are no as good at. They fight better from their holes and caves."

That all sounds well and good, but have you forgotten the mission of the terrorist?

Terrorists do not want to engage soldiers in combat; they plot and execute attacks on civilians.

Therefore, the terrorists would likely NOT bring "the fight" to the soldiers; instead, they would likely re-establish training camps in order to get back to the business of being terrorists.

Zardari will lose his support, or may have already lost it, because his policies are not much different from Musharraf's and, Musharraf was disliked due to the same mistakes the present government is repeating. I think another change is not far off, if the present government does not learn the lesson from Musharraf's mistakes.

But suicide bombers and followers of a sick medieval philosophy are ok. If Pakistan actually had any control over these areas, they might have a point - but they don't.